Edward W Morse M: Kathleen M Morgan in 1927-Reg Monmouth

Hello Forum Folk, I am looking to locate the parents of Edward William Morse and Kathleen M Morse nee Morgan who lived in Bream, Glos and had at least 4 children, Patrick John Morse,B 1928, Evelyn May Morse B: 1929, Douglas Edward Morse B:1936 and Michael E N Morse B:1942. Evelyn aka Molly just passed away recently. To honour my Gran best friend and the family we would like to put together a small tree for the direct family still left in Bream area.

If anyone is connected to the Morse or Morgan line in Bream I would love to hear from you please? Any and all details, info etc appreciated.

Cheers Jim Patterson

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The marriage for reference:

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Record_ID: 80842
Entry_Number: 93
Year: 1927
Month: Jul
Day: 30
Grooms_Surname: MORSE
Grooms_Forenames: Edward William
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Bream's Eaves
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Morse
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Retired Collier
Brides_Surname: MORGAN
Brides_Forenames: Kathleen Mary
Brides_Age: 21
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: 3 Parkend R[oa]d Bream
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Morgan
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: J C Brown
Witness_2: Annis Morgan
Other_Witnesses: William Hoare
Officiating_Minister: William J Joyce Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 47
Parish_Chapel: Bream
Soundex_Groom: M620
Soundex_Bride: M625

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Hey many thanks Chris, great info you found, cheers. I am as yet not really used to the site and its many offerings as I mostly do research in Scotland but must take a more focussed look now you have uncovered that full marriage record for us:-) I have the basic marriage records from ancestry but this full record greatly improves my knowledge of the family line. Cheers Aye

Jim

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Hi Jim,
first, I'm neither a Morse or Morgan nor am I from Bream, but no doubt there are such on the forum. Are you in the Forest or further afield ?
Anyhow, did you realise you can freely and failry easily search this site's huge Parish Records database ?.

Doiing so for Edward MORSE gives the following Marriage Record:

Thankfully in this instance there's lots of detail;
As you can see this gives Edward's father as Thomas Morse, retired collier.
Kathleen's father is Joseph Morgan, also collier. There are 162 Joseph Morgan PRs on the database although no obvious (eg Bream late C19) linked to ours. Also note one of the witnesses is Annis Morgan who is most probably another close family member.

Sadly searching the PRs looking for Baptisms of Edward & Kathleen, about 1903 & 1900 respectively, gives no likely Records at all, even using the Soundex.

Ideally could someone please lookup the 1901/1911 Census's ?.

It's a shame the Records are missing or maybe just hiding as the database does include a great MANY Morgans/Morses in Bream area in the preceding years. These include several children fathered around 1900 by a Thomas Morse & Elizabeth Kear, as follows, who I suspect are at least relations to Edward Morse if not his parents:

1894 MORSE Thomas William, Thomas & Elizabeth Kear, Breams Woodside, Engine Driver, Bream
1896 MORSE Hilda Ivy, Thomas & Elizabeth Kear, Bream, Clerk, Parkend
1899 MORSE William Kear, Thomas & Elizabeth Kear Bream, Miner, Bream
1900 MORSE Jack, Thomas & Elizabeth Kear, Bream, Coal Proprietor, Bream
1902 MORSE Cora, Thomas & Elizabeth Kear, Sun Tump Bream, Colliery Owner, Bream
1904 MORSE Harry, Thomas & Elizabeth KEAR, Bream, Licenced Victualler, Bream
1905 MORSE George Camm, Thomas & Elizabeth KEAR, Bream, Collier, Bream
1906 MORSE Raymond, Thomas & Elizabeth, KEAR Bream, Collier, Bream

However as said there are several possible Thomas Morses to consider, hence we need to see the Census returns, please ?

In distinct contrast there is only ONE Annis Morgan record on the database, she's from Bream too so could possibly be Edward & Kathleen's Marriage witness, maybe even Kathleen's Grandmother or Aunt ?

Record_ID: 3689
Entry_Number: 275
Year: 1863
Month: May
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: MORGAN
Child_Forenames: Annis
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Breams Eaves
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: Cornelius Witherby Perpetual Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 35
Parish_Chapel: Bream
Soundex: M625

Searching GlosBMD again gives just one PR for Annis Morgan, which looks ok, presumably Marriage for same person ?.
ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx

Marriage Details
Number of entries matching criteria entered: 1
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
SANDFORD Albert Henry MORGAN Annis Forest of Dean Monmouth Register Office 1888 14 182

Lookingup FoD PRs Albert was baptized & buried at Lydney, so not far from Bream.

Meanwhile looking up FreeBMD we confirm:

Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcribers
Births Jun 1903
MORSE Edward William Monmouth 11a 30 GeeJay
MORSE Edward William Monmouth 11a 30 peterda

So Edward's birth was registered in Monmouth during the Quarter upto June 1903.

Similarly;

Births Mar 1907 (>99%)
MORGAN Kathleen Mary Monmouth 11a 23

Unfortunately these Records are just a few years too early to include the mother's maiden name.

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Hiya Jeff, many thanks for wading in and helping out someone that is unsure of the hows and whats of this great site:-) I have been on and off the site for many years but perhaps only 2-3 times a year at most sadly as its by far one of the best I have visited bar none..

I am from Leicestershire originally but have lived in far western Canada since the mid 70s:-) My main line are from Herefordshire, where I once trained, military:-) and all around Whitecroft, Glos..

I did search the prs and like you could not find births or deaths sadly..

Many thanks to you for helping out an old newbie:-)lol

Cheers Jim

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Possible family

Year: 1927
Month: Sep
Day: 20
Surname: MORSE
Forenames: Thomas
Residence: Bream's Eaves
Age_at_death: 71
Officiating_Minister: D J Jones (Vicar)
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/30
Page_No: 193
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1911 Bream
MORSE THOMAS M 1857 54 Monmouth Monmouthshire
MORSE MARY F 1866 45 Monmouth Monmouthshire
MORSE MAY F 1905 6 Monmouth Monmouthshire
MORSE ELTON M 1890 21 Monmouth Monmouthshire
MORSE HOWARD M 1897 14 Monmouth Monmouthshire
MORSE THOMAS M 1907 4 Monmouth Monmouthshire
MORSE EDWARD M 1904 7 Monmouth Monmouthshire

Name: Edward William Morse
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1903
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 30

1901 Parkend
Thomas Morse abt 1857 Bream W Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Monmouthshire
Mary Jane Morse abt 1866 Coleford; Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Monmouthshire
Elton Morse abt 1890 Lydney Bream Eaver, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Florrie Morse abt 1892 Lydney Bream Eaver, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
Howard Morse abt 1897 Lydney; Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Amos Morse abt 1900 Lydney; Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire

1891
Thomas Morse abt 1857 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Morse abt 1867 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Alton Morse abt 1890 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Mary Jane Jones
Name: Thomas Morse
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1889
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 59

1881
Thomas Morse abt 1857 Bream Woodside, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

1871
John Morse 28
Elizabeth Morse 38
Thomas Morse 14
Rose Morse 9
Edward Morse 7
Matilda Morse 4
Cate Morse 2

1861
John Morse abt 1832 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Morse abt 1832 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Morse abt 1856 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
John Morse abt 1859 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1856
Month: Jun
Day: 22
Parents_Surname: MORSE
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Breem Woodside
Occupation: Hallier[sic]
Officiating_Minister: John Baverstock. BA Incumbent
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born May 28
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 2
Parish_Chapel: Bream

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Thanks for sorting that Slowhands, far too many Thomas Morse's for my numbskull to work out !
Just goes to show what's you wiseuns know, that the Census reports are SO usefull.

Please if possible could you do the same for the Morgan side ?. I'd love to see where Annis fit's in, not to mention the mysterious JC Brown (couldnt find one on any database).
Thanks.

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An Annis Morgan is here :-

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=4356

and a different one in 1911 ( but probably THE one !)

1911
MORGAN JOSEPH M 1868 43 Monmouth Monmouthshire
MORGAN EMILY SARAH F 1872 39 Monmouth Monmouthshire
MORGAN ANNIS F 1903 8 Monmouth Monmouthshire
MORGAN CATHREEN MARY F 1906 5 Monmouth Monmouthshire
MORGAN FLORANCE MAUD F 1900 11 Monmouth Monmouthshire
MORGAN GEORGE HENRY M 1893 18 Monmouth Monmouthshire
MORGAN WILLIAM THOMAS M 1895 16 Monmouth Monmouthshire

Name: Annis Morgan
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1903
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 18

1901
Joseph Morgan abt 1868 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Gloucestershire
Emily Morgan abt 1872 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Wife Coleford, Gloucestershire
George Morgan abt 1894 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford, Gloucestershire
Beatrice Morgan abt 1899 Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Coleford, Gloucestershire
Florrie Morgan abt 1900 Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Coleford, Gloucestershire

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Cheers Slowhands:-) The 1911 Census you included with Joseph Morgan and wife Emily Sarah is the family line I am following it seems:-) Thanks for the heads up on tracing this line mate:-)

Jim

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1891
Mary Ann Morgan abt 1829 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Louisa Morgan abt 1862 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Tom Morgan abt 1864 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
James Morgan abt 1866 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Joseph Morgan abt 1869 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Annie Morgan abt 1882 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Newland, Gloucestershire

1881
Mary Ann Morgan abt 1829 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Morgan abt 1853 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Amos Morgan abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Louisa Morgan abt 1862 Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Tom Morgan abt 1864 Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Morgan abt 1866 Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Morgan abt 1867 Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Morgan abt 1869 Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
Mary A Morgan 42
John H Morgan 22
William Morgan 19
George Morgan 17
Hannah Morgan 14
Amos Morgan 12
Louisa Morgan 10
Thomas Morgan 8
James Morgan 6
Sarah Morgan 4
Joseph Morgan 2

1861
Henry Morgan abt 1826 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ama Morgan abt 1829 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Henery Morgan abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Morgan abt 1853 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Morgan abt 1854 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Hannah Morgan abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Amos Morgan abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

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Ancestry full census has not been difficult to find, which makes a change.

Broadwell Lane End, Near Coleford - living in 4 rooms

all born West Dean except Florance Maud

MORGAN

Joseph - 43 - married 19 years, 6 children born alive, 6 children living, Collier Hewer
Emily Sarah - 39
George Henry - 18 - Rollier Filling Underground?
William Thomas - 16 - Collier Driver Underground
Florance Maud - 11 - School - born Glamorgan
Annis - 8
Cathreen Mary - 5

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Many thanks one and all for the great help you have supplied, amazing folk you all are:-)

I will be calling the relatives in Bream, Glos over the next few days and now thanks to you all have much to report:-)

I am very gratitude to you all.

Jim

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As that was too easy for you guy's ;-)

Howabout the witness JC Brown ?.

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Wow!

Hiya Slowhands and all the best of the season to you and yours from us an Ours:-)

Even after all these years you still amaze and suprise us wanna be family historians mate:-) As always I cannot thank you enough. Hope you are happy and well.

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Edward W Morse M: Kathleen M Morgan in 1927-Reg Monmouth (General)