The Saracens Head, Symonds Yat (General)

by fredb @, Friday, January 27, 2012, 11:16 (4680 days ago)

Here's something for any old foresters left with a good memory, this is me remembering some stories my dad told 25 years ago, ramblings but somebody might be able to add something. We are talking here about events that probably happened in the late 30's and into the 40's when my dad was working on the railway between Lydbrook Junction and Mayhill Monmouth.

While in the pub one summer evening my dad told me that his brothers and mates would walk via Hadnock to the Saracens on Sundays because Monmouth like the rest of Wales was "Dry" on the sabbath. He also told me you could only buy a drink at one end of the bar on Sundays because the county line cuts through the building. With the river being outside the door it's almost in 3 counties. My dad also told me that when he started drinking you could get as drunk as a lord for one shilling, cheap cider probably.

We walked out side and sat looking at the river and he told me two more tales. He pointed at the steps and said *name forgotten* whoever it was he died right there. He came along the road on his motorbike, came off and smashed his head on the wall and steps. He even told me the kind of motorbike he was riding, BSA?

The final story was about the landlord of the pub who also owned and operated the ferry outside. Late one night some local man had decided to take the ferry across the river himself, and being a bit drunk he'd fallen into the river. The landlord heard the cries for help and jumped from his bedroom window, down the steps where the motorbike rider died, across the road to the river bank where he had to drag the ferry back on the rope. And then as he pulled the boat out onto the river again he saw the drowning man go under for the last time, and when he reached the point where he sank the landlord reached over the side of the boat as deeply as he could and felt something but it wasn't a body. He gripped and pulled and found that what he had hold of was the long hair of the young man. Apparantly the man was known for his hair, and it saved his life. My dad named all of these people, the barman, the motorbike rider, the drowning man. cheers FB

The Saracens Head, Symonds Yat East

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Friday, January 27, 2012, 15:39 (4680 days ago) @ fredb

A couple of past Landlords according to
http://www.easywell.co.uk/pubs/publist/outsidegloucestershire.htm

Saracens Head, Symond's Yat.
HR9 6JL

The Saracens Head is still trading.

Landlord:
1876 William Goode
1939 Mrs A. J. Jones

Further Goggling gives several websites for & about the pub although sadly none give any historical information, bar mentioning it dates from the C16th OR? C17th and has a rope ferry. Heres a 1912 photo
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/symonds_yat/pages/page_3.html

then some good recent photos;
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/590934
http://www.wyenot.com/symondsyat.htm

"At Symonds Yat, in the gorge west of the rock, most early houses were on the west side of the river, in Whitchurch parish, where ironworks were built in the 17th century. The settlement, which included houses on the east side of the river on former extraparochial land and on land belonging to Goodrich, was also called New Weir after a weir constructed there in the 1660s. On the extraparochial land, where two cottages were pulled down, probably in the 1630s, on the orders of Crown officials, a lock keeper's house was built near the weir when work to improve the Wye navigation began in the mid 1690s. In the late 18th century a ferry crossed the river below the weir to the ironworks."

From: 'English Bicknor', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 5: Bledisloe Hundred, St. Briavels Hundred, The Forest of Dean (1996), pp. 101-117.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23254&strquery=symonds yat ferry Date accessed: 27 January 2012.

The Saracens Head, Symonds Yat

by fredb @, Sunday, January 29, 2012, 16:53 (4678 days ago) @ fredb

Thanks for taking the trouble Jeff, I had no idea landlords were listed like that, but then a licence was required, I wonder if the Kings Head Berry Hill will show when my dads uncle became landlord Ernie Beach. I'll do a search. cheers. FB

Kings Head, Berry Hill - E.Beach

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, January 29, 2012, 23:15 (4677 days ago) @ fredb

Hi Fred, you're very welcome, hopefully you found this off the Easywell site:


"Kings Head, Grove Road GL16 8QH.
The Kings Head is located on the unclassified road into Berry Hill about a quarter of a mile from the A4136. The Kings Head is a substantial whitewashed building. To the rear of the pub is an outbuilding which resembles a small brewery but I have no evidence to suggest that the pub ever brewed its own beer.

Map Reference: SO 573122
Owner in 1891: Harriet Godwin (free from brewery tie)
Rateable value in 1891: £12.0s.0d.
Type of licence in 1891: Beerhouse

Owner in 1903: John Arnold & Sons, High Street Brewery, Wickwar
Rateable value in 1903: £12.0s.0d.
Type of licence in 1903: Beerhouse
Closing time in 1903: 10pm
Present Status: Still trading
Heritage:
Phone:

Landlords:

1856 J. Short
1891 Harriet Godwin (owner)
1903 Henry Godwin
1939 Ernest Beach"

I'm pleased he gets a mention, I know it's only due to lack of records but my grandparents ran a Longhope pub for 30+ years without mentioned being on "their" page.


I think this is the current/later version of the above Easywell website:
http://www.gloucestershirecamra.org.uk/pubs/glospubs/new/AllGlosPubsDatabase/AllGlosPub...

Both sites belong to Geoff Sandles, a Brockworth man who has also produced an interesting book. However, perhaps in deference to his publishers, this is very biased towards the Cheltenham & Cotswolds breweries/pubs with hardly any Forest coverage and nowt from Berry Hill, in stark contrast to his superb websites.

I cannot give a direct link to the new site, you must use the search engine. If you enter "Berry Hill" into the site search box the first of 8 listed is the Kings Head (don't enter "Kings Head" as you'll have 60 pages to trawl thro). The advantage of the "new" site is it carries photos including one that could easily be from Mr Beach's time.


Finally, this ongoing mammoth website carries varied levels of info on hundreds of pubs nationwide. Apparently your Uncle is listed in the relevant Kelly's Directory which may explain his inclusion in the other site.
http://deadpubs.co.uk/Gloucestershire/Coleford/KingsHeadBerry.shtml


Hope this helps, Jeff.

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