Alfred Hulin m Elizabeth Morgan 1853 (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Sunday, January 29, 2012, 00:46 (4686 days ago) @ Julia McMillen

Hi Julia,
sorry no brainwaves here yet ! Also you have the advantage on me having Census access, I didn't know there was a John Morgan living with the Hulins although that does seem to make a strong case for him ?.
Re your points:

1. I see from MPG's census's that John Morgan publican was also a sawyer in 1841. I wonder if he'd been a sawyer who perhaps thro illhealth or lack of work had moved into the inn trade as many men dream of..in 1851 he's running the Carpenter's Arms, did he name it so ?. Apparently not, according to the Wye Valley Hotel site the pub & name dates back to at least 1835.
http://www.tintern.org.uk/hotel.htm
I know there are other Carpenter's Arms in the area, Wye boatbuilding history perhaps, key before the roads & railways ?
While Googling the pub I got the Ancestry freepages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/tintern/tintmarr1837-1945...
These give several Morgans including "your" marriage but sadly no more detail at all. Also has the marriage of Alfred Morgan, publican John's son, in 1858. This quotes Alfred as a Labourer and John back to being a Sawyer again. In other words he went where the work was. Personally I don't read too much into the "lab" or "ag-lab" term, I think it a broad "wherewithall" term covering a multitude of possible & typical rural jobs which were probably in the majority in Tintern then, be it at the wharf, the cider mill, in the woods or fields.

2. As far as I know the Banns are applied for by the couple hoping to marry, although it's quite possible a parent's name might get onto a letter or note given to the Minister perhaps, but what chance that surviving ?. I imagine it would have been recorded in the Minister's "daybook" but it becomes irrelevant so unwanted once they're married. I guess the Marriage Certificate is just reflecting what official records there are still available, or in this case not.

This forum thread is essentially asking the same question, with no conclusive answer, but worth reading ?
http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-23163.html