Kate S Cater - Forest of Dean FHT Forum

Can anyone help me unravel the mystery of the Kate Caters of Monmouth.

FOD has a baptism transcription for a Kate Sophia Cater on 27 August 1879 allegedly born to William and Mary Ann Cater of Cliffords Court
but I can find no other record of her birth, death.

Does anybody know what happen to her?

I then have a Kate Cater born 9th June 1886 to Miss Ellen Cater in Monmouth Union Workhouse, who I believe marries a relation of mine Albert Whitburn or does she or was it the one above?

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Name: Kate Catos
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1886
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 38

Year: 1886
Month: Jun
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: CATON
Child_Forenames: Kate
Fathers_Forenames: not stated
Mothers_Forenames: Ellen
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Monmouth
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Geo Giddings Master
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [born] 9th June; Female; 2nd Illegitimate
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number: 14
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth Workhouse

1881
William Cater abt 1833 Ross, Hereford, England Head Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Mary Ann Cater abt 1846 Ross, Hereford, England Wife Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Ellen Cater abt 1867 Ross, Hereford, England Daughter Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Hannah Cater abt 1873 Ross, Hereford, England Daughter Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Thomas Cater abt 1875 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Sophia Cater abt 1880 Monmouth, Wales Daughter Monmouth, Monmouthshire

1871 Ross
Wm Cator 30 Ross Labourer
Mary Ann Cator 24 Ross
Ellen Cator 5 Ross
Joseph Cator 1 Year, 2 Months Ros
Thomas Caires [DAVIES] 68 Shoemaker Faterinlaw
Elizabeth Caires 9 Abingdon Berks

<><><><> marriage for Ellen
Name: Thomas Davies
Name: Ellen Cater
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1889
Registration district: Newport (Mon.)
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 284

1891
William Cater abt 1826 Ross, Herefordshire, England Head Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Thomas Davies abt 1868 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Lodger Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Ellen Davies abt 1868 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Lodger Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Kate Davies abt 1887 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Lodger Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Annie M Davies abt 1890 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Lodger Monmouth, Monmouthshire

1901
Thomas Davies abt 1868 Ross, Herefordshire, England Head Newport, Monmouthshire
Ellen Davies abt 1868 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Newport, Monmouthshire
Kate Davies abt 1886 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Newport, Monmouthshire
Annie Davies abt 1889 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Newport, Monmouthshire
Amelia Davies abt 1891 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Newport, Monmouthshire
Mary Ann Davies abt 1894 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Newport, Monmouthshire

1911 5 Alfred St Newport Mon
Thomas Davies 44 Newport
Ellen Jane Davies 44 Ross
Mary Ann Davies 17 Monmouth
Annie Maria Davies 21 Monmouth
Nellie Jane Davies 1 Newport Grandaughter

<><><><><>< other children for Ellen

Year: 1885
Month: Apr
Day: 14
Surname: CATER
Forenames: William Charles
Residence: Monmouth Workhouse
Age_at_death: 3wks
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: Unbaptised
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth

Year: 1885
Month: Mar
Day: 20
Parents_Surname: CATON
Child_Forenames: William Charles
Fathers_Forenames: not stated
Mothers_Forenames: Ellen
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Monmouth
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Geo Giddings Master
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [born] 25 Mar; Male; Illegte
Notes: Any abbreviated forenames have been extended to the full name; Illegte = illegitimate
Register_Reference:
Page_Number: 13
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth Workhouse

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Year: 1883
Month: Jul
Day: 11
Surname: CATER
Forenames: Frederick
Residence: Monmouth Workhouse
Age_at_death: 1mth
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth

Year: 1883
Month: Jul
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: CATON
Child_Forenames: Frederick
Fathers_Forenames: not stated
Mothers_Forenames: Emma
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: W Bicknor
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: George Giddings Master
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [born] 10 June; Male; Illegte
Notes: Illegte=Illegitimate
Register_Reference:
Page_Number: 12
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth Workhouse

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Dear slowhands ,

Thank you for your reply, it has solved one mystery for me.

junepatrickdela

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Name: John Morris
Name: Kate Davies
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1909
Registration district: Newport (Mon.)
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 496

1911 19 Ailesbury St Crindau Newport Mon
John Morris 24 newport
Kate Morris 23 monmouth
John Thomas Morris 10/12 newport

Morris / Davies offspring some or all ???

Kate W Morris Jan-Feb-Mar 1912 Newport Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Mary D Morris Oct-Nov-Dec 1913 Newport Monmouthshire
William G Morris Apr-May-Jun 1914 Newport Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Albert E Morris Apr-May-Jun 1916 Newport M Wales
Treharne D Morris Jan-Feb-Mar 1918 Newport M Monmouthshire
James E Morris Jul-Aug-Sep 1919 Newport M Wales
Thomas A Morris Jul-Aug-Sep 1919 Newport M Wales
Betty Morris Oct-Nov-Dec 1921 Newport M Glamorganshire
Thelma M Morris Apr-May-Jun 1921 Newport M Wales
Violet M Morris Apr-May-Jun 1921 Newport M Wales
Gwynneth L Morris Jul-Aug-Sep 1922 Newport M Wales
Mary A Morris Jul-Aug-Sep 1922 Newport Wales
Henry G J Morris Jul-Aug-Sep 1927 Newport M. Wales
Harry W Morris Jul-Aug-Sep 1928 Newport M Wales

Name: Kate Morris
Birth Date: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1959
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Newport
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 8c
Page: 168

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Tear slowhands,

Thank for that wonderful surprise , I am most grateful

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Year: 1879
Month: Aug
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: CATER
Child_Forenames: Kate Sophia
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Clifford's Court Monmouth
Occupation: labourer
Officiating_Minister:
Event:
Memoranda: 4 Aug 1879
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth

1881
William Cater abt 1833 Ross, Hereford, England Head Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Mary Ann Cater abt 1846 Ross, Hereford, England Wife Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Ellen Cater abt 1867 Ross, Hereford, England Daughter Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Hannah Cater abt 1873 Ross, Hereford, England Daughter Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Thomas Cater abt 1875 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Sophia Cater abt 1880 Monmouth, Wales Daughter Monmouth, Monmouthshire

Year: 1881
Month: Nov
Day: 17
Surname: CATER
Forenames: Mary Ann
Residence: Monmouth
Age_at_death: 34
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth

1891
Kate S Cater abt 1880 Monmouthshire, Wales Bisley, Gloucestershire

1901
Kate S Cater abt 1880 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Servant Usk, Monmouthshire

1911
Kate Sophia Cater abt 1880 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Servant Usk, Monmouthshire

Name: Kate S Cater
Spouse :Albert S Whitburn
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1913
Registration district: Pontypool
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 273

Name: Albert S Whitburn
Birth Date: abt 1878
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1953
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Caerleon
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 8c
Page: 116

Name: Kate S Whitburn
Birth Date: abt 1880
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1961
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Newport
Inferred County: Gwent
Volume: 8c
Page: 149

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Thank you slowhands,

I have all that data but the 1881 census info is for one person and the rest is for the Kate born in Monmouth Workhouse in 1886.

The only thing I can think happened is between the GRO registration and the baptism is William and Mary Ann Cater had a change of mind about their daughter's names; changing it from Mary Ann J to Kate Sophia.

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I have all that data but the 1881 census info is for one person and the rest is for the Kate born in Monmouth Workhouse in 1886.

To me all the entries seem to be related to Kate Sophia born 1879

Kate 1886 is Kate Sophia's niece, her sister Ellen's daughter, who later appears as Kate DAVIES following Ellen's marriage..

had a change of mind about their daughter's names; changing it from Mary Ann J to Kate Sophia.

or perhaps the mothers name was entered in as the childs name by mistake ?

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Thank you, what a plonker I have been.

I realise that I how been a complete novice in sorting out the 2 Kates out when I went and re-examined Kate Sophia's wedding lines.

I have made the necessary adjustments to my tree

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Dear slowhands,

I think that you are probably right what a good explenation.

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Clifford's Court still exists but not as it was, if I remember rightly it's off Monnow Street, the main street in Monmouth. You can see the workhouse on-line as it's now part of Monmouth Girls School on the Hereford road, and I believe it remained a workhouse until 1948, no old folks homes in those days other than a few Almshouses.

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Hi Fredb,

Thank you for your reply,I have goggled map the workhouse, isn't strange being part of a school.

It would appear that Clifford's Court is land owned by the council, who's intention is build some sort of housing on it.[ well according to a set of minutes on the web]

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Hi,
you probably found this site when Googling but if not it's very informative re the Workhouse system generally and also Monmouth specifically.
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Monmouth/

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Kate S Cater (General)

Kate DAVIES / CATON / CATOR / CATER 1886 Monmouth

Kate DAVIES / CATON / CATOR / CATER 1886 Monmouth

Kate MORRIS nee DAVIES /CATER 1886 -1959 Monmouth

Kate MORRIS nee DAVIES /CATER 1886 -1959 Monmouth

Kate S WHITBURN nee CATER 1879 -1961

Kate S WHITBURN nee CATER 1879 -1961

Kate Sophia WHITBURN nee CATER 1879 -1961

Kate Sophia WHITBURN nee CATER 1879 -1961

Kate Sophia WHITBURN nee CATER 1879 -1961

Kate Sophia WHITBURN nee CATER 1879 -1961

Kate Sophia WHITBURN nee CATER 1879 -1961

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