Richard and Ann Whittington (General)
by hilwilliams , Sunday, February 05, 2012, 15:24 (4671 days ago)
In researching a friend's family I have the marriage certificate of her G Grandfather, Richard Whittington to Ann Whittington on 19 July 1857. Ann does not give a father (they lived at Strip and at it) but I have been told they were first cousins. Can anyone shine any light on this please?!
Richard and Ann Whittington
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Sunday, February 05, 2012, 15:31 (4671 days ago) @ hilwilliams
Hi, its not Dick the Lord Mayor from Pauntley is it ?.
Joking aside, have you searched the forum, there are many Whittington threads including this one.
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=24452
There are several more possibly related threads.
May not answer your question but could help your researches a lot?
ps having quickly searched this site's PRs looking at all Marriage Records on the site between Richard & Ann around 1857 sadly cannot find anything even close. !?
This is the only Record I can find but you've probably already seen it.
Record_ID: 106712
Entry_Number: 36
Year: 1859
Month: Jan
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: WITTINGTON
Child_Forenames: Richard
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lydbrook
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: Wm Wall
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Nov 12 1857
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 3/3
Page_Number: 5
Parish_Chapel: West Dean Methodist
Soundex: W352
"Strip and at it" was a colliery. Searching that within the forum gives this prior thread, again re Whittington and by the same poster as the one above, ie Lesleyr.
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=24942
Lesley's a regular site visitor as shown by the blue username, this is a hyperlink, click it and you'll see this note
"Researching the family of Eliza Whittington, my great great grandmother. She was born in the Forest of Dean about 1835. She married George Stichome but was widowed after a year. Eliza and her family then moved north to Nottinghamshire where she married my great, great grandfather Jess Draper."
May I suggest you send lesley a direct email via the hyperkink. This will ensure a prompt reply (in case he/she doesnt visit the forum in the next day or three), hopefully you'll get some assistance.
PPS looking at Glos BDM site(occasionally gives Records not on FoD site) gives the following Record, doubt it gives any more than your certificate but does confirm Ann to be a WHittington prior to marrying Richard.
Marriage Details
Number of entries matching criteria entered: 1
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
WHITTINGTON Richard WHITTINGTON Ann Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office 1857 2 62
This site carries other relevant records for Richard Whittingtons, eg
Birth Details
Number of entries matching criteria entered: 1
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
WHITTINGTON Richard WHITTINGTON WHITTINGTON HORROM 1851 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 12 41
Searching Ann, her POSSIBLE birth records are;
Birth Details
Number of entries matching criteria entered: 1
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
WHITTINGTON Mary Anne WHITTINGTON WHITTINGTON GEORGE 1838 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 1 75
Birth Details
Number of entries matching criteria entered: 1
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
WHITTINGTON Anne WHITTINGTON WHITTINGTON MORGAN 1842 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 2 341
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx
Searching these on this site's FoD PRs, as may give more detail:
Record_ID: 44585
Entry_Number: 1067
Year: 1838
Month: Jun
Day: 24
Parents_Surname: WHITTINGTON
Child_Forenames: Mary Ann
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Highmeadow
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: G Ridout Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 134
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: W352
There is also a Birth Record for Anne b1842, however there is also a corresponding Burial Record for the same year, possibly the same person.
IMPORTANT !
When searching the FoD PRs, tick the soundex box to find all spellings of Whittington, and only search "Ann" so as to get all variations that start with this, ie Ann, Anne, Annie, Mary Ann, etc etc. As you say our ancestors were FAR from original when it came to first names, completely normal to repeat over and over.
PPPS !
It may be irrelevant given these very popular name swithin our area, but checking FreeBMD, as well as confirming the bare bones of the above, also gives an additional Burial Record for a Mary Anne, albeit in the neighbouring Gloster district so nearer Pauntley etc where many Whittingtons were from. It doesnt give an age which may suggest an infant death, possibly the same child ?.
Births Sep 1838 (>99%)
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WHITTINGTON Mary Anne Monmouth 26 57
then lists
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Deaths Sep 1838 (>99%)
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Whittington Mary Ann Gloster 11 21[8_]
Richard and Ann Whittington
by hilwilliams , Sunday, February 05, 2012, 15:45 (4671 days ago) @ Jefff
Nope, and I don't know if he had a cat either! Have checked the threads and only found one Richard Whittington who was crushed in the Trafalgar mine and while a cousin od hers is not old enough to be this one. . Thanks anyway!
Richard and Ann Whittington
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Sunday, February 05, 2012, 15:58 (4671 days ago) @ hilwilliams
Fair enough, some posters dont look first so had to ask. My thinking was that if there's a relative it helps build an overall picture of the families and their relationships.
Please revisit my reply above. I've added to it rather than post again, as the thread is limited to 20 posts which can quickly be "achieved".
Richard and Ann Whittington
by hilwilliams , Sunday, February 05, 2012, 15:51 (4671 days ago) @ Jefff
Thanks, I had not seen that and Richard (so imaginative with names!!) was Richard and Ann's eldest child. Ann is a mystery though . .
Richard and Ann Whittington
by hilwilliams , Sunday, February 05, 2012, 16:15 (4671 days ago) @ Jefff
Thanks for that. I guess it is possible she was a Mary Ann although I have trawled through the family to find a link to her father James and not come up with one yet. It says on the marriage certificate she was 22 which means she was born about 1835 - assuming she was telling the truth!
Richard and Ann Whittington
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Sunday, February 05, 2012, 16:19 (4671 days ago) @ hilwilliams
Re the age I'd guess she was as you say, assuming her husband was of similar age, or even older. I know they sometimes fibbed and sometimes it was thought bad form to be older than the groom, but ??.
Perhaps we can try and find them in the 1841 Census ?.
Late edit !.. Don't worry, Slowhands will sort it !
Ann WHITTINGTON 1836 Ruardean
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, February 05, 2012, 16:18 (4671 days ago) @ hilwilliams
1851
Ann Wihittington abt 1836 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Servant Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
1861
Richard Whittington abt 1826 Lydnock, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Whittington abt 1836 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Whittington abt 1857 Ross, Herefordshire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Amelie Jane Whittington n abt 1859 Lydnock, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Julia Ann Whittington abt 1860 Lydnock, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
sure you have later census data
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
Ann WHITTINGTON 1836 Ruardean
by hilwilliams , Sunday, February 05, 2012, 17:04 (4671 days ago) @ slowhands
That's interesting. I had the 1861 census but cannot trace the 1851 record even now. Sounds the same person though which is helpful although I have not found her in 1841 and, of course, BMD's do not start until 1837. Appreciate all this!!
Oh, found her in 1851 now - thank you!
Richard WHITINGTON b1829 Ruardean
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Monday, February 06, 2012, 02:09 (4670 days ago) @ hilwilliams
I suspect you already have this but just in case,
from the GlosFHS 1851 Glostershire Census cd:
1959 1851 CENSUS HO107/1959 FF.0188-0194 ED.5C,4B,6 & 3E NEWNHAM 1
Piece: 1959 Folio: 0192 Schedule: 010
Address: Strip And At It Collier
WHITINGTON Thomas HD M 58 Collier GLS Lydbrook (c1793)
WHITINGTON Ann WI M 57 - CMN Macon[?] (c1794)
WHITINGTON Richard SO U 22 Collier GLS St.Briavels (c1829)
WHITINGTON Joseph SO U 20 Collier GLS St.Briavels (c1831)
WHITINGTON Harriet DA U 18 - GLS St.Briavels (c1833)
WHITINGTON Thomas SO U 15 Collier GLS St.Briavels (c1836)
WHITINGTON John F. GS - 7M - GLS East Dean (c1850)
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For completeness off the cd these may also be of interest ?:
2444 1851 CENSUS HO107/2444 FF.0303-0321 ED.5I COLEFORD 1
Piece: 2444 Folio: 0316 Schedule: 089
Address: West Dean
WHITTINGTON Thomas HD M 55 Labourer GLS Hillersland (c1796)
WHITTINGTON Elizabeth WI M 35 - GLS Lydney (c1816)
WHITTINGTON Mary DA - 10 Scholar GLS Lydney (c1841)
WHITTINGTON Ann DA - 9 Scholar GLS Hillersland (c1842)
WHITTINGTON Susan DA - 6 Scholar GLS Hillersland (c1845)
WHITTINGTON Eliza DA - 3 - GLS Hillersland (c1848)
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2444 1851 CENSUS HO107/2444 FF.0339-0350 ED.5K COLEFORD 1
Piece: 2444 Folio: 0348 Schedule: 053
Address: Anchorberry
WHITTINGTON William HD M 39 Coalminer GLS E.Bicknor [English Bicknor] (c1812)
WHITTINGTON Ann WI M 29 - GLS West Dean (c1822)
WHITTINGTON Mary A.Cooper DA - 8 - GLS Little Dean (c1843)
WHITTINGTON Maria DA - 4 - GLS Parkend (c1847)
WHITTINGTON Harriet DA - 1 - GLS West Dean (c1850)
WHITTINGTON William H. SO - 1M - GLS West Dean (c1850)
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2443 1851 CENSUS HO107/2443 FF.0644-0656 ED.6B LYDNEY 3
Piece: 2443 Folio: 0648 Schedule: 008
Address: St.Briavels
RICHARDS George HD M 36 Carpenter GLS Aylburton (c1815)
RICHARDS Sarah WI M 36 Dressmaker GLS St.Briavels (c1815)
RICHARDS Emma DA - 10 - GLS St.Briavels (c1841)
RICHARDS Sarah DA - 8 - GLS St.Briavels (c1843)
RICHARDS Edwin SO - 5 - GLS St.Briavels (c1846)
RICHARDS Diania DA - 3 - GLS St.Briavels (c1848)
WHITTINGTON Ann LG W 80 Laundress GLS Bredean [Bredon?] (c1771)
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2444 1851 CENSUS HO107/2444 FF.0283-0302 ED.5H COLEFORD 1
Piece: 2444 Folio: 0290 Schedule: 034
Address: Lane End
WHITTINGTON Henry HD M 48 Coal Miner GLS West Dean (c1803)
WHITTINGTON Ann WI M 56 - GLS West Dean (c1795)
WHITTINGTON Henry SO U 17 Coal Miner GLS West Dean (c1834)
HALE Ann SD U 22 - GLS West Dean (c1829)
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Hope this helps.
Richard and Ann Whittington
by jimashton , Tuesday, February 07, 2012, 14:24 (4669 days ago) @ hilwilliams
The parents of Richard Whittington 1829 were Thomas Whittington 1794/1863 & Anne Brown 1794/1875 married 5 Jun 1824, 5 children. Thomas Whittington was killed in the Strip & At it Mine Jan 1863. I doubt very much that Richard was born in the mine !!
The parents of Thomas Whittington 1794 were Thomas Whittington 1754/1835 & Eleanor Lawrence 1754/1838 married 30 Nov 1790 6 children. Parents of Thomas Whittington 1754 were James Whittington & Elizabeth Jones married 23 Nov 1728 6 children.
Richard Whittington & Ann are not related to me, but I have connections with the offspring of each of their ancestors.
I didn't know that Richard Whittington & Ann were married 19 Jul 1857. From the certificate you have obtained can you tell me where were they married and what is Ann's surname ? I have Ann's surname as Whittington, but there appeared to be some doubt about that.
I have some detailed information regarding Thomas Whittington 1794 & Anne Brown 1794. Unfortunately I didn't record who gave me the information so I will not publish it here, but will send it to you by email. Please respect that information.
Jim Ashton
Richard and Ann WHITTINGTON marriage 1857
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Tuesday, February 07, 2012, 14:44 (4669 days ago) @ jimashton
WHITTINGTON Richard
WHITTINGTON Ann
Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn
(FoD) Register Office 1857 2 62
Name:Richard Whittington
Name: Ann Whittington
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1857
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 370
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
Richard and Ann WHITTINGTON marriage 1857
by gilly22, Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 20:26 (4661 days ago) @ slowhands
Is the Richard in 1857 marriage the son of Thomas and Ann with siblings Joseph harriet and Thomas on 1841 Census - seems Harriet and Richard both married 1856/57 Free BMD Richard to possibly Ann Whittington. Says on later census that Thomas born Lydbrook so is he the Thomas who married Hannah John 1820 then Ann Hussey in 1825 or 1826 FOD records?
Richard WHITTINGTON born c 1826 Eng Bicknor
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 21:19 (4661 days ago) @ gilly22
Is the Richard in 1857 marriage the son of Thomas and Ann with siblings Joseph harriet and Thomas on 1841 Census - seems Harriet and Richard both married 1856/57 Free BMD Richard to possibly Ann Whittington. Says on later census that Thomas born Lydbrook so is he the Thomas who married Hannah John 1820 then Ann Hussey in 1825 or 1826 FOD records?
The Richard who married Ann in 1857 at the Registry Office was born approx 1826
1841
Thomas Whittington abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Anne Whittington abt 1796 Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Richard Whittington abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Joseph Whittington abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Harriet Whittington abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Thomas Whittington abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
Richard and Ann Whittington
by hilwilliams , Tuesday, February 07, 2012, 17:40 (4669 days ago) @ jimashton
No problem. Yes, Ann's name was also Whittington and I have been told they were cousins but am yet to verify that.
Richard and Ann Whittington
by dougal , Wednesday, March 06, 2013, 10:32 (4276 days ago) @ jimashton
Hi Jim.
I am also researching this branch. My husband descends from Richard and Ann whittington via their son James Henry who moved Abersychan.
If you do have any information regarding Richards parentsm Thomas and Anne, I would be very interested in it.
Thank you
Karin
Richard and Ann Whittington
by jimashton , Wednesday, March 06, 2013, 14:40 (4276 days ago) @ dougal
Hi Karen
My main interest is the Marfell family, but I do follow siblings & parents of spouses. In this case Richard Whittington & his wife Ann Whittington are not related to me - as far as I know at the moment - Richard's parents Thomas Whittington 1794 & Ann Brown 1794 are not related to me either, but there are links to the Marfell family from Alice Whittington 1869 one of the 12 children of their son Joseph Whittington 1831 & Lydia Mason 1831.
Parents of Thomas Whittington 1794 were Thomas Whittington 1754 & Eleanor Lawrence 1754 married 30 Nov 1790 Newland - 6 children. I have tenuous links to their son James 1809 who married Hannah Horsham, one of their 4 children Mary Ann Whittington 1854 married Henry Thonpson Fenwick - who had a brother William Taylor Fenwick 1860 who married Dora Marfell 1858.
Parents of Thomas Whittington 1754 were John Whittington & Elizabeth Jones married 23 Nov 1748 English Bicknor - 6 children. I do not know when they were born, but there are limits to acquired knowledge of people connected to but not related to you !
Jim Ashton
Richard and Ann Whittington
by Hilary , Thursday, March 07, 2013, 14:29 (4275 days ago) @ dougal
Hi Karin
I did try to e-mail a reply to you but was having trouble accessing stuff so have now re-registered. I have done quite a bit of research for a friend who is a Grandaughter of James Henry Whittington - not sure what you are missing so e-mail me please.
Richard and Ann Whittington
by lesleyr , London, Thursday, February 09, 2012, 22:24 (4666 days ago) @ hilwilliams
Hello
I have been researching the Whittingtons for a while but can't help you much with Richard and Ann. Here's what I have in my notes on Richard, although I expect you've got most, if not all, already:
Richard was born in Monmouthshire about 1830, but his age recorded at various points throughout his life varies considerably.
I have not found a baptism record for him.
At the 1841 census Richard was about 15, living with his family in Lydbrook.
At the 1851 census his age was given as 22 (birth year 1829). He was working as a collier and living with his parents in East Dean.
He married Ann Whittington on 19 July 1857 at the Register Office in Westbury on Severn. He was 25 (birth year 1832) and a collier, the son of Thomas Whittington (labourer) living. She was 27 (birth year 1830) but the name of her father was blank.
At the 1861 census Richard 35 (birth year 1826 - collier born Lydbrook) was living in West Dean with Ann 25 (born Ruardean) and children Richard 4 (born Ross, Herefordshire) and Amelia Jane 2 and Julia Ann 6 months, both born in Lydbrook.
Their daughter Julia was buried in Lydbrook on 7 February 1864 aged 3 years.
At the 1871 census Richard 44 (Collier, birth year 1825) was living in West Dean with Ann 33 (birth year 1838) and children Richard 14 (collier), Amelia 12, Thomas William 8, James Henry 4 and John Frederick E 2.
At the 1881 census Richard 51 (Coalminer, birth year 1830) was living in Upper Lydbrook with Ann 44 (birth year 1837) and children Thomas 18 and James 13 (coal miners), Edward 13 (also known as John Frederick) and Hubert 8.
Richard was buried in Lydbrook on 11 January 1891 aged 65 (birth year 1826).
I don't have anything on Ann before her marriage. As you say, the marriage certificate has a blank where her father's name should be. Looks like she would have been the illegitimate daughter of a female Whittington.
Good luck with your research.
Lesley
Richard and Ann Whittington
by dougal , Thursday, March 07, 2013, 15:30 (4275 days ago) @ lesleyr
Thank you all. I have now managed to find 5 out of the 6 children that Thomas and Eleanor had.
Have now sent for Richard Whittington's BC (b1856) in the hope that it will clear up Ann's status at the time of his birth. I have a pet theory that they were living together and she'd taken Richard's name. However this will be disproved or not come the certificate arriving. It is strange that they married in a registry office.
Karin