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Does anyone have information on Thomas Whittingham married as a bachelor to Hannah John (widow) 1820 Lydbrook area? Hannah died 1823 (if I have right one) as Whittington then theres a marriage of Thomas Whittington to Ann Hussey he's a widower
Newland. Thanks Gill

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this one ?

just to help in the PR's 2 are baptised in 1794 !

1841
Thomas Whittington abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Anne Whittington abt 1796 Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Richard Whittington abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Joseph Whittington abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Harriet Whittington abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire
Thomas Whittington abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Bicknor English, Gloucestershire

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Year: 1786
Month: Oct
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: WHITTINGHAM
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: Walter
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: [not stated]
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AO19/2
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Walford

1851 Strip and At It Colliery
Thomas Whitington abt 1793 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Whitington abt 1794 Macon, Carmarthenshire, Wales Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Whitington abt 1829 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Whitington abt 1831 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Harriet Whitington abt 1833 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Whitington abt 1836 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1861
Thos Wittington abt 1787 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Wittington abt 1793 South, Wales Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Wittington abt 1851 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean, Gloucestershire
Caroline Wittington abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Priscilla Wittington abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1863
Month: Jan
Day: 18
Surname: WHITTINGTON
Forenames: Thomas
Residence: Strip and at it
Age_at_death: 77 years {inferred birth 1785/86}
Officiating_Minister: H.G Nicholls
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Burial Details-N.Y.13r 3g
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/11
Page_No: 175
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1871 Pludds
Ann Whittington 78 Machen Monmouthshire
John Whittington 20 East Dean
Caroline Whittington 16 East Dean
Author George Whittington 7 East Dean
Allen James Whittington 5 East Dean

Year: 1875
Month: Apr
Day: 11
Surname: WHITTINGTON
Forenames: Ann
Residence: High Beech
Age_at_death: 82 {inferred birth 17932/93}
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [Not Sta
Memoranda: Name is annotated NY 13 Row 13 G
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/12
Page_No: 88
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

<><><><>? Machen Monmouthsire

I'm sure I have seen some HUSSEY / HUZZEY connections with the Walford area before on here

Baptism
17 Jun 1798
Thos s/o John Huzzy, forge man

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The Thomas Whittington shown in the 1841 Census, is I believe Thomas Whittington 1794/1863 & Anne Brown 1794 (Machen)/1875 married 5 Jun 1824 Thomas 1794 being the son of Thomas Whittington 1754/1835 & Eleanor Lawrence 1754/1838 . This Thomas was baptised 5 Nov 1794 English Bicknor - shown here in 1851 :

1851 Census East Dean
10
WHITTINGTON Thomas 58 Collier Lydbrook
Ann 57 Macon Camarthan:
Richard 22 Collier St. Briavels
Joseph 20 Collier St. Briavels
Harriet 18 St. Briavels
Thomas 15 Collier St. Briavels
John 7m East Dean

I have another Thomas Whittington baptised 14 Sep 1794 English Bicknor to a John Whittington 1755/1842 & Anne Powell 1762/1842. Thomas Whittington 1754 & John Whittington 1755 are brothers, parents being John Whittington & Elizabeth Jones.

To confuse matters further, there is this :

Year: 1825
Month: May
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: WHITTINGTON
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: [not stated]
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated]
Grooms_Residence: extraparochially
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: HUSSEY
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age: [not stated]
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: extraparochially
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: [not stated]
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Sarah Hussey
Witness_2: Thomas Hussy
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: T. D. Fosbroke Min[iste]r
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AO19/6
Page_Number: 56
Parish_Chapel: Walford

Jim Ashton

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Thanks for the info. I have Henry Whittington on my tree as my great great grandfather - on most Census says born Lydbrook or Newland, Born 1821 to Thomas and Hannah whittingham (FOD Records) Marriage of Thomas and Hannah 1820 Parish Chapel Newland birth f Henry Lidbrook Parish Chapel of Drybrook - are these places near Walford? (marriage to Ann Hussey) Henry named his first child Hannah hence my thinking that his mum was Hannah. (Census relating to Henry 1841 - 1881 Aberystruth Monmouthshire)

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Walford/ Ruardean / English Bicknor/ lydbrook and to an extent Drybrook churches / Parishes are adjacent and close by..... all within a 3 mile radius of Ruardean

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Year: 1820
Month: Dec
Day: 2
Grooms_Surname: WHITTINGAM
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: JOHN
Brides_Forenames: Hannah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: John Worgan
Witness_2: Rich[ard] Morgan
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: S.F.Morgan Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 102
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Year: 1821
Month: Mar
Day: 4
Parents_Surname: WHITTINGHAM
Child_Forenames: Henry
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lidbrook
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: J. Morse
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 26
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1841
George Ward abt 1821 Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Hannah Ward abt 1821 Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Henry Whittington abt 1826 Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

1851 Aberystruth
Henry Withington 30 Newland
Sarah Withington 22 Whitchurch
Hannah Withington 2 Aberystruth
John Parise 31 Newland Lodger
Edward Morgen 24 Ruardean Lodger

1861
Henry Withington abt 1822 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Sarah Withington abt 1829 Herefordshire, England Wife Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Hannah Withington abt 1848 Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Emma Withington abt 1851 Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Sarah Withington abt 1854 Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Thomas Withington abt 1856 Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

1871 Blaina
Henry Whittington 50 Lydbrook
Sarah Whittington 48
Emma Whittington 19
Sarah Whittington 16
Thomas Whittington 14
Charllotte Whittington 6
Henry Whittington 3
Joseph Whittington 5 Months

1881
Henry Whittington abt 1821 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Sarah Whittington abt 1824 Whitchurch, Hereford, England Wife Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Thomas Whittington abt 1856 Aberystruth, Monmouth, Wales Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Charlotte Whittington abt 1865 Aberystruth, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Henry Whittington abt 1868 Aberystruth, Monmouth, Wales Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Joseph Whittington abt 1871 Aberystruth, Monmouth, Wales Son Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Maria Whittington abt 1876 Aberystruth, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

Name: Henry Whittington
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1890
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Bedwellty
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 51

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Lydbrook and Walford are 4 miles apart.

Although I know roughly how far apart they are, I have used Microsoft Autoroute to establish this exactly, but if you want to find the distance between places use Google.

You will find that a lot of marriages took place in Walford during a period when the vicar of Ruardean lived there. I have found this noted on the Parish Records for Ruardean.

Jim Ashton

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Hi Gilly,
you may find the Maps section on this site usefull, particularly this one
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/parish_records/php/parish_map.php

I grewup in the eastern Forest and thought I had a decent knowledge of the area, cycled and driven quite a lot of it too. Sadly this and my best O level grade (Geography) didnt help in my FH researches particularly for my Lydbrook line t'other side of Ruardean Hill. This last year I've discovered so much new about the local parishes, village locations, etc etc, you just don't get the whole story driving around. This site's maps plus the excellent Genuki site have been a Godsend. Good luck !

Have a good look around this site.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HEF/Walford/Gaz1868.html

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Funny how you find out things by accident, your post took me back to something I had meant to check out regarding Whittingham's in Walford. I have never been able to connect a James Beach who married Sarah Whittingham in Walford 1815 directly to my family, but he is obviously linked as he was born Dixton, Monmouth, about 1800, plus in 1849 Samuel Beach married Caroline William's in Walford, and Caroline's father is said to be William Whittingham, so Caroline was Sarah Whittingham's younger half sister, or probably more likely the daughter of her brother. The following year Samuel Beach's cousin Isaac Beach married Comfort James in Walford. Comfort's mother was Margaret Beach, but they all live in Garway, the only connection they have to Walford is James Beach. James and Sarah had no children so they probably remained connected to family via involvement in these marriages, James must be an uncle. Why am I telling you all this?...somebody might be interested....

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Hi
Who are the grandchildren living with Ann Whittington in 1871 - any idea? They don't belong to Joseph or Richard, do they belong to Thomas (b abt 1835)? I found he married someone called Mary and they had a daughter called Ann Selina (1860-1862) but do not know any more of them after 1861.

Thanks, Hilary

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Hilary

Thomas did as you say marry Mary, one daughter Ann Selina 1860/1862. Richard 1829 had 8 children with Ann Whittington nee Whittington, Joseph 1831 had 12 children with my 6th cousin 3 times removed Lydia Mason 1831

The grandchildren you mention are the children of Harriett Whittington 1832, daughter of Thomas Whittington & Anne Brown. Harriett had 3 children John Frederick 1851 who went on to marry my 3rd cousin 4 times removed Elizabeth Read, Caroline 1854/1884 and Priscilla 1854/1864. I believe the father could be a Thomas Jones. Harriett went on to marry William Colwell 1831 in 1856, they had 3 children Albert Henry William 1856/1939 who married Mary Ann Price Gore - 9 children. William Colwell & Harriett also had a daughter Julia 1859 who kept up the family tradition and had 3 illegitimate children Hubert Frederick Colwell 15 Feb 1879, Osborne William Colwell 1881 & Alice Lavinia Beatrice Colwell 1889.

Jim Ashton

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My husband has a possible ancestor in Edward Whittington, baptised in Bicknor English in 1803. His parents were John and Ann.

His Edward Whittington was charged with stealing in Sept 1818. His Old Bailey record says he was born c 1800 in Gloucestershire. He was a carpet manufacturer. In December 1818 he was again charged with stealing. He used the name Edward Williams, born Gloucestershire c 1800, carpet maker.
I haven't found any other Edwards born around this period.
I did find a Thomas Whittington bc 1795 in some court records on Ancestry. He was found not guilty.

Any help to confirm or eliminate Edward would be appreciated.
Regards
Cai

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The Proceedings of the Old Bailey London Criminal Court 1674-1913 are on line.

Is this the trial? Year 1818

Edward Whittington, Samuel Solomon and William Haines, were indicted for stealing on the 25th September, from the person of Andrew Anderson one Il. Ban note, his property,

The prosecutor not appearing, the prisoners were Acquitted.

Second Middlesex Jury, before Mr Recorder.

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One would assume Edward aged about 15/ 18 years would have served an Apprenticeship, or still an Apprentice.
May be there are Apprenticeship records.

What names did Edward give his children, as there is normally a naming pattern, ie Father, Mother, siblings etc.

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Thank you for your reply.
Yes that is the correct Old Bailey record. He is before the courts in December of the same year and found guilty. He is then transported to Australia.
Do you know where I could access apprenticeship records. Ancestry has some however he is not on their data base. His native place was Gloucestershire. He may of moved to London to work and done his apprenticeship there.
Cai

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If you Google

National Archives Apprentice Records —.

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Apprentices and Masters - The National Archives …

You may find him, however, it does state that there were informal indentures with fathers often teaching sons and nephews with common trades such as weaving etc. and Edward was a weaver of carpets.

Look at the names he gave his children, his father’s name would more often than not used.

Look for other Whittington weavers and of course DNA.

My x Grandad in around 1871 just after my Grandad was born, left his Wife and family in Bristol, got on a boat to Chile and never returned. Through DNA and documents, we’ve discovered he had children with a local woman in Santiago, then married another lady. He did name a Son after one of his brothers and a daughter after his Wife he deserted! So Christian names were and are still relevant.

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Hi,
Thank you for the message. I will try the apprenticeships. My husband has done his DNA but I think it is too far back to give any conclusive results.
His children were Edward Whittington Williams and Sarah Whittington Williams.
REgards
Cai

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It may be the surname Williams was a family name.

My x Grandad William Wickenden born 1843 in Gloucestershire, his Mother’s maiden name was Green

He was a Miller and got into debt, on one Census, he is living with his Son, in Blakeney, Forest of Dean, then moved to Swindon, Wiltshire to work as a labourer for the Great Western Railways.

Probably to hide his identity, on two census returns he and his Wife’s surname is GREEN and his Son and my Grandson are listed as Wickenden, living with him and are classed as lodgers.

His death certificate gives his correct surname.

Some people were scared of being found and thought census returns would be used to find them. Also alias surnames were common in Gloucestershire, my paternal line had alias as surnames.

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