Re: Richard Henry Ward d 1930 Coleford (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Friday, May 11, 2012, 05:00 (4582 days ago) @ slowhands

For completeness I find Richard's Death,

From FreeBMD:
Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page Transcriber
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Deaths Sep 1930
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Ward Richard H. 77 Monmouth 11a 19 JHS

And from FoD PRs:

Record_ID: 249922
Entry_Number: 1431
Year: 1930
Month: Jul
Day: 9
Surname: WARD
Forenames: Richard Henry
Residence: Palmers Flat Nr Coleford
Age_at_death: 77 years
Officiating_Minister: George R Newman Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/14
Page_No: 179
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: W630

Which of course ties-in with this Baptism from FoD PRs:

Record_ID: 38648
Entry_Number: 683
Year: 1852
Month: Aug
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: WARD
Child_Forenames: Richard Henry
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Factory Cottages
Occupation: Tin Worker
Officiating_Minister: Charles Taylor
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 86
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: W630

Parent's Marriage, again from FoD PRs:
Record_ID: 12503
Entry_Number: 158
Year: 1840
Month: Feb
Day: 16
Grooms_Surname: WARD
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age: of full age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Tin Plate worker
Grooms_Residence: Whitecroft
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Ward
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Roller
Brides_Surname: BEACH
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: of full age
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: none stated
Brides_Residence: Whitecroft
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Dobbs
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: George Jones
Witness_2: Maryann Ward
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J B Clifford Off Min
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 79
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: W630
Soundex_Bride: B200

I can now see why Clare questioned Sarah's surname, but cannot explain it...yet.

Using FoD's Advanced Search, searching Marriages with Bride's Father = Thomas Dobbs, within the very near timeframe gives two similar puzzles:

1840 WARD George Whitecroft BEACH Sarah Whitecroft Newland (as above)
1838 JENKINS Josiah Bream BEACH Annie Whitecroft Newland (below)

Record_ID: 12427
Entry_Number: 82
Year: 1838
Month: Oct
Day: 2
Grooms_Surname: JENKINS
Grooms_Forenames: Josiah
Grooms_Age: of full age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: Bream
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Jenkins
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Isaac
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: BEACH
Brides_Forenames: Annie
Brides_Age: Minor
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: none stated
Brides_Residence: Whitecroft
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Dobbs
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Mark of William Gifford
Witness_2: Sarah Beach
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: George Ridout Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 41
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: J525
Soundex_Bride: B200

I cannot find this couple on GlosFH 1851 Census, or their offspring in FoD PRs, do they leave the area?

I cannot find definate Baptism Records for either of the girls, they are very popular(common) names locally. I wonder if Dobbs & Beach are now married ?

This is the ONLY Dobbs/Beach Marriage in ALL of the FoD PRs:

Record ID 36204
Entry Number 582
Year 1827
Month Jul
Day 15
Grooms Surname DOBBS
Grooms Forenames Thomas
Grooms Age
Groom Condition Bachelor
Grooms Occupation
Grooms Residence Hundred of St Braivels
Grooms Fathers Surname
Grooms Fathers Forenames
Grooms Fathers Occupation
Brides Surname BEACH
Brides Forenames Mary
Brides Age
Brides Condition Widow
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence Hundred of St Briavels
Brides Fathers Surname
Brides Fathers Forenames
Brides Fathers Occupation
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark He marks she signs
Witness 1 Wm Howells
Witness 2 Rich[ar]d Morgan
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister George Ridout Lecturer
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P227 IN 1/11
Page Number 194
Parish Chapel Newland

So it's correct timeframe & locality, Mary Beach is a widow; could the girls be from her previous Marriage to Mr Beach ?

Which is confirmed by GlosFHS cd 1851 Census:

2444 1851 CENSUS HO107/2444 FF.0210-0225 ED.5D COLEFORD 1

Piece: 2444 Folio: 0216 Schedule: 028

Address: Whitecroft

DOBBS Thomas HD M 68 Beer House Keeper GLS Whitecroft (c1783)
DOBBS Mary WI M 75 - GLS Parkend (c1776)
BEACH Ester SV U 22 General Servant GLS Whitecroft (c1829)

Also note another Beach in the household...!

From FoD PRs:

Record_ID: 111542
Entry_Number: 392
Year: 1829
Month: Jan
Day: 25
Parents_Surname: BEECH
Child_Forenames: Hester
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Whitecroft
Occupation: Coal Miner
Officiating_Minister: H[enr]y Poole Minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 49
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex: B200