Martha Ann Jones of Lydbrook (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Saturday, August 18, 2012, 23:23 (4482 days ago) @ sarah phelps

Hi,
have you tried searching this site's PRs ?

From there, searched by name, this Baptism

Record_ID: 117204
Entry_Number: 166
Year: 1857
Month: Nov
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: JONES
Child_Forenames: Martha Ann
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Upper Lydbrook
Occupation: Woodfeller
Officiating_Minister: Temple Hamilton Chase
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: 20811
Page_Number: 21
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook
Soundex: J520

So parents appear to be Thomas & Mary Jones.

Using the VERY usefull Advanced Search facility (icon at base of Search page), can find these Baptisms which I suspect are all the same family.

1856 JONES Martha, Thomas & Mary Anne, Aston Bridge Lodge, Woodman under the Crown, Lydbrook (I suspect this Martha died young as the name is repeated)
1857 JONES Henry, Thomas & Mary Anne, Terridge near Lydbrook, Woodman, Lydbrook
1857 JONES Martha Ann, Thomas & Mary, Upper Lydbrook, Woodfeller, Lydbrook
1858 JONES John, Thomas & Mary Ann, Sorridge Lodge, Woodman, Lydbrook
1860 JONES Hubert, Thomas & Mary Ann, Serridge Lodge, Woodman, Lydbrook
1862 JONES Anne, Thomas & Mary Anne, Sorridge Lodge, Forest Keeper, Lydbrook
1864 JONES Alfred, Thomas & Mary, Lydbrook, Keeper, Lydbrook
1866 JONES William Thomas, Thomas & Mary Ann, Serridge Lodge, Woodman, Lydbrook

Again by searching the PRs on this site can find this Marriage, yes the names are common but very few are woodmen,

Record ID 64630
Entry Number 62
Year 1852
Month Nov
Day 23
Grooms Surname JONES
Grooms Forenames Thomas
Grooms Age 26
Groom Condition Widower
Grooms Occupation Woodman under the Crown
Grooms Residence Astonbridge Lodge Lydbrook
Grooms Fathers Surname JONES
Grooms Fathers Forenames John
Grooms Fathers Occupation Woodman under the Crown
Brides Surname WOOLLEY
Brides Forenames Mary Ann
Brides Age 25
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation [not stated]
Brides Residence Rectory English Bicknor
Brides Fathers Surname WOOLLEY
Brides Fathers Forenames Henry
Brides Fathers Occupation Labourer
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns 1852 Oct 31 Nov 7 14
Signature or Mark Both sign
Witness 1 Mark of Henry Wooley
Witness 2 Richard Jones
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister John Burdon
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes Banns are in P138 IN 1/10 page 65.
Register Reference P138 IN 1/12
Page Number 31
Parish Chapel English Bicknor

Luckily I was using my Glos FHS 1851 Census cd, from which

1959 1851 CENSUS HO107/1959 FF.0117-0144 ED.3B NEWNHAM 1

Piece: 1959 Folio: 0138 Schedule: 121

Address: Aston Bridge Lodge

JONES Thomas HD W 24 Keeper of Woods & Forests HEF Whitchurch (c1827)
JONES James SO U 2 Son GLS Staunton (c1849)
JONES Mary CI U 17 House Keeper GLS Staunton (c1834)

(So despite appearing at first to be a Lydbrook Jones so maybe one of my ancestors, sadly it seems not).

Presumably the housekeeper became his second wife ??..... see below

Again by using Advanced Search, inputting just the names can quickly get a tabulated output of all this site's Baptisms of all the Thomas Jones with father John Jones (from the Marriage Record). Clearly we're looking around 1825, but again this one stands out as the only "Woodman",

Record ID 78524
Entry Number 159
Year 1826
Month May
Day 14
Parents Surname JONES
Child Forenames Thomas
Fathers Forenames John
Mothers Forenames Hannah
Mothers Surname
Residence New Wier
Occupation Woodman
Officiating Minister Richd Davies Rector
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P310 IN 1/8
Page Number 20
Parish Chapel Staunton

So Thomas's parents are John & Hannah Jones.

And so on... eg heres his first marriage:

Record_ID: 20541
Entry_Number: 36
Year: 1847
Month: Jun
Day: 14
Grooms_Surname: JONES
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: Of full age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Wood Cutter
Grooms_Residence: Staunton
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Jones
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Woodman
Brides_Surname: JENKINS
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age: Of full age
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Llandogo in the county of Monmouth
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Jenkins
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Turnpike Gate Keeper
Licence_or_Banns: Certificate of t
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Magrett Jenkins
Witness_2: Richard Jones
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Richard Davies Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P310 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 18
Parish_Chapel: Staunton
Soundex_Groom: J520
Soundex_Bride: J525

Some interesting/unusual occupations here...

Back to the housekeeper becomes wife theory:
SO if Mary Jones the Housekeeper in 1851 Census is born abt 1834, searching this site's PRs gives this "interesting" possibility.. but as the Marriage Record clearly shows his future wife Mary Jones was a Wooley, so it looks like he had been quite understandably sharing the Lodge with his housekeeper sister.

Record_ID: 78587
Entry_Number: 222
Year: 1834
Month: Jun
Day: 15
Parents_Surname: JONES
Child_Forenames: Mary
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: New Wier
Occupation: Woodman
Officiating_Minister: Richd Davies Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P310 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 28
Parish_Chapel: Staunton
Soundex: J520

You'll find the Advanced Search REALLY good, as you can input minimal info, even just part names etc (eg enter "Ta" to find "Tailer" "Tailor" "Tayler" etc) and still get several results. Click on a column heading and it will be sorted eg chronologically, all really quickly & easily.