Old George, Mitcheldean (General)
by adlinferris , Wednesday, August 29, 2012, 21:39 (4464 days ago)
Just found my g,g,grandfather, George Carpenter on the 1911 census, Living at Old George, Mitcheldean.
I've looked at a map of Mitcheldean and cannot find a street named Old George.
Could Old George be the name of an old inn or maybe a house or cottage?
Thankyou.
Linda
Old George Inn, Mitcheldean
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Wednesday, August 29, 2012, 22:06 (4464 days ago) @ adlinferris
Hi Linda,
yes there was a very old George Inn right in the centre of Mitcheldean village when I worked there in the 80s, I strongly suspect it will still be trading as it benefitted hugely from the Ranks factory when I worked there and probably still does.
The inn dates from the 1600s I think, very old photos show it as a very tall three storey building, higher than virtually all the village except for the nearby Brewery, but the upper storey was later removed; I presume it therefore had ample lodging rooms.
This photo of the village shows the George directly above the word "General" and behind the white building, behind it and to the left is Wintle's Brewery which became the home of British Accoustic Films in WW2 and from which the massive Ranks site grew, the Brewery buildings still stand.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/mitcheldean/pages/page_30.html
The best website for info about old pubs is the following Easywell site. However I cannot give a direct link, this will take you to the homepage. Don't enter "George" in the search box as you'll get hundreds of hits; instead enter "star pitch" (the pub's address) and it will find it immediately, there is a superbly detailed history and photos old and new.
http://www.gloucestershirepubs.co.uk/AllGlosPubsDatabase/AllGlosPubs_view.php
The Easywell site suggests the Inn may originally have been used to make spherical lead shot balls as ammunition for muskets etc. Here molten lead is slowly poured thro one of variously-sized holes in a metal plate high in the building, landing in troughs of cold water. As each droplet falls it becomes perfectly spherical, then hardens solid when cooled by the water.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_tower
Also mentioned here
http://www.fweb.org.uk/dean/towns/mitcheldean.htm
PS reading this history I see the George is yet another traditional inn that has sadly closed in recent years, in fact it may even have been demolished this year. A great shame methinks ....
PPS HOWEVER while Googling "Wintles" I'm absolutely delighted to find this site that shows a new microbrewery is opening this year within the old brewery buildings, great news !.
http://www.bespokebrewery.co.uk/index.php
This recent photo shows the old Brewery buildings, the Maltings as it was called, (but now the Mews rather oddly, which is perhaps reflecting the brewery drays(see post below) but still seems a shame to this old traditionalist, perhaps it was thought non-pc to refer to beer ??).
The building up and behind was the Rank Xerox restaurants and ballroom(yes!), near here was a pedestrian gateway down into the village and the nearby George for lunchtime soft drinks... Immediately to right of the photo view is Mitcheldean's main High Street, the photographer is stood at the gate to the High Street, on which of course the George was built. To the left of this view hidden behind the Maltings is the rest of the sprawling Ranks site.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1663778
Old George Inn, Mitcheldean
by m p griffiths , Wednesday, August 29, 2012, 22:46 (4464 days ago) @ Jefff
FOD records - Burial at Mitcheldean 14 September 1902
Gertrude DAVIES - parents Henry & Rose
residence: The Old George (Mitcheldean)
occupation: Drayman
Old George Inn, Mitcheldean, George MacIntyre WRIGHT c1906
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Monday, February 12, 2018, 18:27 (2471 days ago) @ Jefff
The best website for info about old pubs is the following Easywell site. However I cannot give a direct link, this will take you to the homepage. Don't enter "George" in the search box as you'll get hundreds of hits; instead enter "star pitch" (the pub's address) and it will find it immediately, there is a superbly detailed history and photos old and new.
http://www.gloucestershirepubs.co.uk/AllGlosPubsDatabase/AllGlosPubs_view.php
Best quality images of this old photo of the George Hotel Mitcheldean shows the large noticeboard above the front door carries the landlord's name of George MacIntyre Wright. The Easywell site states he was landlord in 1906, presumably learnt by dating the photo.
http://www.forestprints.co.uk/george_hotel_v01.htm
In nearby Longhope my maternal grandparents were born c1905, and by 1950 they were pub landlords there until their retirement. Just before my grandad's birth his family were living in Liverpool, the 1901 Census shows his father was a licensed victualler manager, altho the family were back in Longhope within 3 years, except for my grandad's uncle who stayed there and in the pub trade. These Wrights were descendants of two brothers who left their home area nr Birdlip above Gloster c1850 and settled in the Forest. One of them, my maternal G-G-Grandad George, settled in Longhope. His brother Josiah married in Longhope but eventually settled in Mitcheldean, his son Felix Wright b1890 was landlord of the White Horse pub in Mitcheldean c1950.
Knowing all this boozy background led me to wonder if George MacIntyre Wright was a relation of mine, altho why the apparent Scots name, and why wasn't he appearing in any of the family's Census records etc ??
However, dispite my searching the various BMD sites for him, including trying various spellings etc, I have been unable to find any definite idea of who this man was. I did find a reference in the local newspapers, but nothing helpful, and sadly I've lost my research notes...
Please can anyone shed some light on George MacIntyre Wright for me, I can't but help think he should be in my tree somewhere. All suggestions gratefully received, thankyou. Please don't worry about plotting Census data etc for my Grandparents, I have all that and can do anymore myself. What I'd dearly love to see is a Birth, Marriage or Death record, or any other, that appears to definitely belong to George MacIntyre Wright. Hopefully that record will be in Glos or maybe Merseyside, but ???
Many thanks, Jeff.
Old George Inn, Mitcheldean, George MacInyre WRIGHT c1906
by Mike Pinchin , Bedford, England, Monday, February 12, 2018, 20:27 (2471 days ago) @ Jefff
There are a couple of brief glimpses of him in the BNA but nothing substantial. There are an awful lot of George WRIGHTs around!
BNA Gloucester Citizen - Saturday 13 February 1904
Littledean
The Annual Brewsters Sessions
I have received notice of transfer of the license of the George Hotel, Mitcheldean, to George McInty (sic?) Wright.
BNA Gloucester Citizen - Saturday 05 May 1906
LITTLEDEAN PETTY SESSIONS
A full transfer was granted of the license of the George Hotel, Mitcheldean, from Mr G.M. Wright to Mr William Watkins.
Old George Inn, Mitcheldean, George MacIntyre WRIGHT c1906
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Monday, February 12, 2018, 22:40 (2471 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin
There are a couple of brief glimpses of him in the BNA but nothing substantial. There are an awful lot of George WRIGHTs around!
Thanks Mike, and yes don't I know it, my families were not renowned for original thinking when naming their offspring - pity I didn't know that before I followed suit.. lol.
Probably confused with someone else, but I think one of the BNA entries I found for him related to some form of rifle shooting accident or somesuch, or maybe wrong. Not that it helped me at all. Unfortunately I've had so many forced changes of HDDs over the last few years due to viruses and old age, my researches are somewhat spread around a bit, and since we moved house goodness knows where some of them are... talk about how NOT to do FH research !
George MacIntyre Wright clearly existed, but where born or died etc ?. Bit of an odd one. I'm beginning to wonder now if he's from the Liverpool branch I mentioned earlier - however I thought it would be easy to find my Wrights up there when I tried a few years ago, but IIRC it's an even more common name there than in the Dean !
Thanks again Jeff
Old George Inn, Mitcheldean, George MacIntyre WRIGHT c1906
by Mike Pinchin , Bedford, England, Monday, February 12, 2018, 22:45 (2471 days ago) @ Jefff
I've sent the rifle shooting incident to your email address. It's certainly him.
Old George Inn, Mitcheldean, George MacIntyre WRIGHT c1906
by Mike Pinchin , Bedford, England, Monday, February 12, 2018, 23:13 (2471 days ago) @ Jefff
On Ancestry George Macintyre WRIGHT is recorded in the Electoral Registers until 1932 (last address 26 Priory Road, Gloucester).
From GR Deaths we have a possible candidate,
First Name George
Last Name Wright
Gender Male
Year 1932
Birth Year 1854
Birth Month
Birth Day
District Gloucester
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Volume 6A
Event Quarter 3
District Number
Page 295
Line Number 14
Entry Number
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
George MacIntyre WRIGHT, Mitcheldean Shooting, 1906
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Thursday, February 15, 2018, 16:46 (2468 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin
Thanks Mike, and also for the cutting of the Rifle Shooting incident. Despite extensive searching I still cannot find my own records of searching for George, I know it was a few years ago hence before I learnt the value of Electoral Register records, so apologies again for asking for help in what may seem a simple query.
I've summarised the newspaper report as follows;
Mitcheldean Shooting Affair.
Wright before the Magistrates.
George Wright, an Army pensioner, formerly landlord of the George Hotel Mitcheldean, appeared at Littledean Petty Sessions accused of trying to commit suicide late one night at Mitcheldean Rifle Range, which he was in charge of after leaving the George a few months before. Throughout the incident and subsequent days Wright insisted he'd shot himself by accident, at about 6.30pm, hence his bad state thro' severe loss of blood when discovered on the range by gamekeeper Owen Jones at 11.30pm.
Dr Searancke treated Wright at the range abt midnight, before he was taken to Gloucester Infirmary where the bullet was removed. Despite some witnesses believing it was attempted suicide, due to the wound being in the side of George's forehead while he was supposedly alone on the range shooting at targets, others argued Wright had been sober and coherent after the shooting, and had always said it was accidental. It was stated that Wright was well-used to rifle shooting, hence his being custodian of the range, guns and ammunition, and if he'd want to commit suicide he would have placed the end of the rifle in his mouth as was the Army way.
One witness was shoemaker Frederick Barrett who had lived with Wright for the last 5 years. The report mentions a Mr M.F.Carter Jnr watching the case on behalf of Wright's wife, but doesn't name her.
The case was dismissed as a genuine accident.
Citizen August 25th 1906
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So, as Mike has said, we know George MacIntyre Wright was married and an Army Pensioner, so he may be found within Army Records. I'm unsure as to Pensionable age for soldiers at that time, but he was presumably born sometime before 1860 ? This makes the above death record a good possibility, although there are a lot of "George Wright" and "George M Wright" records on file.
On rechecking FreeBMD site I immediately find this record, I know I searched extensively for him last time around so I'd like to think I saw this too - apologies everyone for asking for help on what may seem an easy enquiry !
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1876
Le Lean Sarah Ann Alverstoke 2b 733
Redman Emma Alverstoke 2b 733
SEYMOUR James Alverstoke 2b 733
Wright George McIntyre Alverstoke 2b 733
Alverstoke is a small settlement contiguous with the town of Gosport, on the south coast of Hampshire. It stretches east-west from Fort Blockhouse, Haslar to Browndown Battery, and is centred 0.5 miles east of the shore of Stokes Bay and near the head of a creek which extends a mile westward from Portsmouth Harbour.
This locality seems quite a good fit for a military man.
However I'm still struggling to find any definite Birth or Death records for him which included his unusual middle name. Hopefully I can find George and/or other names in the Census etc. Similarly a quick search of the Census', particularly the 1901 when he was presumably still in the Mitcheldean area, are still drawing a blank.
I hoped searching for Frederick Barrett, shoemaker, would lead me to George in the 1901 Census, probably at the George Hotel Mitcheldean, but he is also surprising elusive, as is Owen Jones gamekeeper.
??
Now searching for George and his wife (Emma or Sarah Ann, I'll start with Emma) in Hampshire, the very first of several hits from Familysearch gives this seemingly good fit ?
1911 Alverstoke, Brockhurst Gosport, Hampshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George Wright Head M 69 ARMY PENSIONER COLLECTOR FOR MEDICAL CLUB. Island Of Corfee Resident
Mary Emma Wright Wife F 67 Nova Teotia Resident
(Suspect this should read Corfu, and Nova Scotia, Canada)
However he was also there in 1901, and also in 1891, so maybe a red herring ? (sorry JaneyH !)?
1901 Richmond Rd, Alverstoke, Hampshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George Wright Head M 59 WRITER BOOKKEEPER. Greece British Subject
Mary Emma Wright Wife F 57 Canada
There are a LOT of George Wrights in Hampshire....as indeed there are in Gloucestershire !
Repeat the search, this time with wife Sarah Ann, and this looks like our man, especially as his wife was possibly Sarah An L Lean, an unusual surname...
1901 Crews Hole, St Georges, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George Wright Head M 47 Licensed Victualar. Holloway, London
Sarah A Wright Wife F 43 Melcombe Regis Weymouth, Dorsetshire
Laura L Le Lean Niece F 7 Newington, London
I suspected "Crews Hole" was a nautical pub, but apparently not, altho it is on the River Avon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crew%27s_Hole,_Bristol
There were a few pubs in this industrial area, the oldest being the Bull, but no sign of George Wright on this useful website.
http://bristolslostpubs.eu/page137.html
Chores beckon, but a slight tweaking of the FamilySearch filters, gives;
1911 Dover, Kent, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George Mcintyre Wright Head M 57 LICENSED VICTUALLER. Middlesex London, London
Sarah Ann Wright Wife F 53 Waymouth, Dorsetshire
Frederick William Barrett M 36 Assistant. Bristol, Gloucestershire
Q.E.D.
So George was born abt 1854, and Sarah abt 1858.
Beginning to wonder if I DID see this last time around, and so discounted George McIntyre from being one of my Mitcheldean Wrights ? It's hard to see how I didn't find it before, altho it did take an hour today (? - I know !..).
AND found Frederick Barrett too, earlier Census' show is indeed Bristol-born, now for Gamekeeper Owen Jones.
Owen JONES, gamekeeper, Mitcheldean, 1906
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Thursday, February 15, 2018, 19:33 (2468 days ago) @ Jefff
From the PRs,
conveniently just after the 1906 incident, Hope Mansell is very near Mitcheldean;
Record_ID: 49679
Entry_Number: 190
Year: 1907
Month: Dec
Day: 14
Grooms_Surname: JONES
Grooms_Forenames: Owen
Grooms_Age: 29
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Game Keeper
Grooms_Residence: The Bailey nr Hope Mansell
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Jones
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: deceased
Brides_Surname: PHILLIPS
Brides_Forenames: Verena Mary
Brides_Age: 26
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: The Bailey nr Hope Mansell
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Phillips
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: Charles George Price
Witness_2: Sarah Ann Price
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: James Lawton Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 95
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex_Groom: J520
Soundex_Bride: P412
So Owen was born abt 1878, father Thomas.
Think he may have fibbed abt his age,
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Dec 1874
Jones Owen Ross 6a 486
Record_ID: 567051
Entry_Number: 313
Year: 1874
Month: Nov
Day: 15
Parents_Surname: JONES
Child_Forenames: Owen
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Kainsham
Occupation: Sawyer
Officiating_Minister: E B Hawkeshaw
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AA33/6
Page_Number: 40
Parish_Chapel: Weston under Penyard
Soundex: J520
From Familysearch
1881 Weston Under Penyard, Herefordshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Thomas Jones Head M 49 Sawyer. Weston, Herefordshire, England
Ann Jones Wife F 46 Hentland, Herefordshire, England
Henry Jones Son M 18 Carpenter. Weston Under Penyard, Herefordshire, England
Thomas Jones Son M 13 Scholar. Weston Under Penyard, Herefordshire, England
Charles Jones Son M 10 Weston Under Penyard, Herefordshire, England
Eva Jones Daughter F 8 Weston Under Penyard, Herefordshire, England
Owen Jones Son M 6 Weston Under Penyard, Herefordshire, England
Robert Jones Son M 4 Weston Under Penyard, Herefordshire, England
1891 Kingstone Cross, Weston Under Penyard, Herefordshire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Ann Jones Head F 54 Widow. Midwife. Herefordshire, England
Eva Jones Daughter F 19 Kitc-hen Maid Domestic. Herefordshire, England
Charles Jones Son M 20 Agricultural Labourer. Herefordshire, England
Owen Jones Son M 16 Agricultural Labourer. Herefordshire, England
Robert Jones Son M 14 Agricultural Labourer. Herefordshire, England
Fredk Hatch Grandson M 6 Gloucestershire, England
Mary Corbett Boarder F 23 Cook Domestic Servant. Gloucestershire, England
Edith Corbett Boarder F 2 Gloucestershire, England
1901 Hope Mansell, Herefordshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Wall-ace Hatch Head M 39 COLLIER COAL HEWER. Brampton, Herefordshire
Eliza Hatch Wife F 40 Westmunder Perry, Herefordshire
Fred Hatch Son M 15 Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Emily Hatch Daughter F 14 Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Ethel Alderson Boarder F 4 Herefordshire
Owen Jones Visitor M RAILWAY PORTER. 25 Weston Under Penyard, Herefordshire
1911 East Dean, Drybrook, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Owen Jones Head M 38 MINER COAL HEWER. Weston, Herefordshire
Verina Jones Wife F 30 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Frederick Thomas Jones Son M 2 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Catherine Ivy Jones Daughter F 0 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Record_ID: 97374
Entry_Number: 1045
Year: 1951
Month: Oct
Day: 17
Surname: JONES
Forenames: Owen
Residence: 3 Harrow Hill Drybrook
Age_at_death: 78
Officiating_Minister: John W Hall
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/38
Page_No: 131
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: J520
Record_ID: 98411
Entry_Number: 483
Year: 1975
Month: Jul
Day: 19
Surname: JONES
Forenames: Verena Mary
Residence: Trinity Road, Harrow Hill
Age_at_death: 93
Officiating_Minister: Geoffrey Crago
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/31
Page_No: 61
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: J520
This FoD site has several other PRs for this family group, including ten baptisms to Owen and Verena twixt 1912 and 1927. In all of these Owen is recorded as being a collier residing in Harrow Hill area. Did he stop being a Gamekeeper because there was no job, or he wasn't very good at it, or the wages were poor, or ??.. Whatever, it seems he enjoyed a long and healthy life despite his coal mining work.
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George Inn, Mitcheldean
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, August 30, 2012, 07:21 (4464 days ago) @ adlinferris
Just found my g,g,grandfather, George Carpenter on the 1911 census, Living at Old George, Mitcheldean.
I've looked at a map of Mitcheldean and cannot find a street named Old George.
Could Old George be the name of an old inn or maybe a house or cottage?Thankyou.
Linda
Very much closed and surrounded by safety fencing ( August 2012)
The George Inn
Star Pitch, Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire GL17 0BP
when the site was in use
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1867229
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/535603
East of the Cross a tall gabled house, possibly that called the New House in 1609 (fn. 83)
was known as the Dunstone later in the century. (fn. 84) By 1740 it had ] become the George inn. (fn. 85)
The top part of the building, including the gables, was removed in 1947.
From: 'Mitcheldean', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 5:
Bledisloe Hundred, St. Briavels Hundred, The Forest of Dean (1996),
pp. 173-195. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23259
Date accessed: 30 August 2012.
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Old George, Mitcheldean
by winwlz, Monday, August 13, 2018, 15:39 (2289 days ago) @ adlinferris
Hi
I have just found this site as I was looking for the Old George, Mitcheldean, my grandfather lived their also in 1911 census, alot of my family lived in Mitcheldean, I have a relation of Carpenter but I do not think it is the same one. I used to visit the Old George when I was a small girl with my parents as my Mum was from Mitcheldean
Not sure if your site is still current