John GODWIN born 1823, Coleford, Gloucestershire.

I'm trying to find details of the parents of John GODWIN born in 1823 in Coleford, Gloucestershire.

From a copy of the Banns for John's marriage in 1852 at St.Mary-le-Bone, Middlesex, to Mary Paine (born 1822 in Oswestry, Shropshire, it would appear that his father was called JEREMIAH (a farmer)~ but I cannot find any Birth or Baptism records for John to substantiate the names & details of his Father & Mother.

Can anybody help, please ?

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Ancestry, National Probate Records

11 January 1864

GODWIN Jeremiah - Effects under £300

Letters of Administration (with the Will annexed) of the Personal estate and effects of Jeremiah GODWIN late of St. Briavels, in the County of Gloucester deceased who died 16 December 1862 at St Briavels aforesaid were granted at the Principal Registry to John GODWIN of 41 Hampton Street, Harrow Road in the County of Middlesex Carpenter and Son and only Next of Kin of the Said Deceased he having been first sworn.

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Both the Forest of Dean transcripts - and Gloucestershire Family History CD - has transcribed the surname as GODDING

Baptism at Coleford St john the Baptists

19 January 1825

John GODDING & Sarah - residence, Coleford, Labourer.

There is also

****Jeremiah GODWIN - christened at St Briavels St Mary - 29 November 1829 - residence, Lower Meend - parents Jeremiah & Sarah

and

Richard GODWIN - 17 December 1826 - at St Briavels (buried at St Briavels - 3 June 1860 age 33 years)

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1841 Census, St Briavels

GODWIN

Jeremiah - 40 -Ag. Lab. not born in County
Sarah - 45 - ditto
Richard - 14 - Y

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1841 Census, Monmouth, Chepstow

Bridge St

Hannah MILLES - 45 - Victualler, not born in County
Dorothea MILLES - 15 - not born in County
Jeremiah GODWIN - 12 - nor born in County
+
3 Servants

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1851 Census, St Briavels

Jeremiah GODWIN - 55 - Farmer, born London
Sarah - 56 - born Ponytpool, Monmouthshire
Richard - 24 - Farmer's son - born St Briavels

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1861 Census, St Briavels

GODWIN

Jeremiah - 64 - Farmer, born London (c1797)
Sarah - 65 - born Monmouthshire, Pontypool
Mary SMITH - Visitor, Widow, 75 - born St Briavels

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Jeremiah GODWIN is on the 1851 census for Middx. St Marylebone - age 21 - ummarried - Carpenter, born Gloster, Coleford-

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FOD records, Burial at St. Briavels - 21 December 1862

Jeremiah GODWIN - 66 - burial (c1797)

and

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Baptism at Hewlesfield - 30 December 1804

Jeremiah GODWIN - aged 10 years + a sister Grace aged 13 years

parents Richard & Mary

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FoD Records

Marriage Newnham - 24 October 1793

Richard GOODWIN, residence, City of Glouceter
married
Mary JONES - residence, Newnham

by Licence (if you got a copy of this Licence, this should give more info)

witnesses: Thomas HAYNES, Mary GOODWIN

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by using the Advanced Search - there appear to be children at St Briavels (parents Richard & Mary) from 1771 onwards (not sure if it's the same couple) i.e.

Anne - 1771
Mary - 1773
Richard - 1775
Jane - 1777
Thomas - 1780
Elinor - 1780
Francis - 1782
Hannah - 1783
John - 1787
William 1791

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Church of Latter Day Saints

Marriage at Dixton Newton, Monmouth - 1822

Jeremey GODWIN - Sarah LEWIS

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Will of Jeremiah Godwin died 16 Dec 1862 late of St Briavels Gloucestershire. Letters of Administration were granted at the Principle Registry to John Godwin of 41 Hampton Street, Harrow Road, County of Middlesex - Carpenter the Son and only Next of Kin of the said Deceased he having been first sworn
Probate Date 11 Jan 1864
Will is listed on Ancestry.co.uk

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Hi, that's great ~ I think that with the PROBATE / WILL info in respect of JEREMIAH GODWIN born 1794, died 1862, probate 1864, some of the missing pieces have now fallen into place.

What I now believe I now have got is :-
Parents = Jeremiah Godwin, born 1794,died & buried St. Briavels 1862.
Sarah Godwin (nee Lewis), born Pontypool 1795,died St. Briavels 1863.

Their Children (all born St. Briavels) =
~ (my ancestor) JOHN GODWIN,born 1823.
~ Richard, born 1827, died & buried St. Briavels June 1860.
~ Jeremiah, born 1829,died (place unknown ?) & buried St. Briavels Dec 1860.

Reason I was previously having trouble was that although I knew from "Ancestry" Census 1841 & 1851 records that the above Jeremiah (senior)& Sarah had a son called Richard born 1827; and another son Jeremiah born 1829 (from an "Ancestry" Family Tree record) ~ I had not been able to place (my ancestor) JOHN GODWIN born 1823 with any parents.
Nw using the Burials info that the sons Richard & Jeremiah both died approx 2 years before their father Jeremiah, AND by virtue of probate info supplied states that JOHN GODWIN was the "Son and only next of kin" ~ I have at last been able to place John with some parents !

Many thanks.

ADDITINAL info if it is of interest to anyne looking at this "thread" :-
(i) I believe Jeremiah brn 1794 have 11 siblings in all ~ the one omitted from the above earlier "thread" is Grace born 1791, died 1855 (but baptised in 1804 at the same time as her brother Jeremiah).
(ii) The parents of the above 12 children, I believe were Richard Godwin 1746~1821, and Mary Godwin (nee Jones) 1755~1809.

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The wedding of Jeremy and Sarah are in the Parish Records on this site.

Marriage at Dixton - 3 June 1822

Jeremy GODWIN - residence, Hundred of St Briavels, Gloucester

married

Sarah LEWIS - residence, Hundred of St Briavels, Gloucester

by banns.

witnesses; George WATKINS

Officiating Minister: John POWELL - Curate

Notes: there are no dates for the banns

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'The parents of the above 12 children, i believe were Richard GODWIN 1746-1821 and Mary GODWIN (nee JONES) 1755-1809'

When Richard GODWIN married Mary JONES at St Briavels in 1770 - the witnesses were Henry & Elinor EVANS.

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Richard GODWIN was witness to the wedding of Henry EVANS to Elinor HOLT - at St Briavels 4 December 1770.

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There is also a baptism at Staunton - 27 September 1749

of Richard GODWYN - parents: William & Mary

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? a Richard GODWIN was a witness at at marriage in Staunton - 31 October 1837

Richard JONES Widower - labourer, Hundred of St Briavels

father: Thomas JONES, Wood Collier

married

Mary WATKINS of full age, Spinster, residence Hundred of St Briavels

father: William WATKINS - labourer

by banns

witnesses: Richard GODWIN and mark of Eliza WATKINS

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Where these Charcoal workers - travelling around the area.......

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If you look at the records for Staunton - parents William & Mary GODWYN

Christopher - 1729 (there is a burial of a Christopher GODWIN at Dixton 1 December 1805)
Thomas - 1732 *
Ann - 1733 *
William - 1735
John - 1739 *
Thomas - 1741
Thomas - 1742
Jane - 1743 * (marriage at Dixton of Jane GODWIN - 8 February 1768)
Richard - 1749 *

* some of these christian names are similar to later baptisms. Perhaps Staunton GODWYN/GODWIN's need more research

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Accrding to Forest of Dean (FOD) Parish records ~ Jeremiah (Jeremy) Godwin and Grace Godwin both baptised 30/12/1804 at Hewlesfield, being aged 10 yrs and 13 yrs respectively.

Their FOD Baptism records show parents as being RICHARD & MARY.

I believe these are RICHARD GODWIN resident of City of Gloucester and MARY JONES resident of Newnham who married 1793 at Newnham (per FOD parish marriage records).

QUESTIONS I'M TRYING TO RESOLVE :-
1) ? Are these the correct parents of Jeremiah & Grace ?
2) ? If above (1) is correct ~ who were RICHARD GODWIN'S and MARY JONES' parents ?

Can anybody help.
Thanks,
Charles

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Hi Charles,
very quick/early thoughts are

1) I cannot answer part 1 categorically, but why not ?. The dates all fit.
If you are correct, as seems reasonable at first glance, then

2) From;
Record_ID: 42443
Entry_Number:
Year: 1793
Month: Oct
Day: 24
Grooms_Surname: GOODWIN
Grooms_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: City of Gloucester
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: JONES
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newnham
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Thomas Haynes
Witness_2: Mary Goodwin
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Fryer minister
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P228 IN 1/6
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Newnham
Soundex_Groom: G350
Soundex_Bride: J520

I suspect witness Mary Goodwin is closely related to Richard ?.
Searching this site's PRs for all spelling variations of Richard Goodwin/Godwin/etc etc (only 61 in total for all Soundex variations)for possible Baptism I find:

Record_ID: 1041853
Entry_Number:
Year: 1775
Month: Mar
Day: 8
Parents_Surname: GODWIN
Child_Forenames: Richard
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Thos Edmunds Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: the Son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: 27813
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels
Soundex: G350

Seems reasonable wrt him later being "resident" at Gloster ??

Unlike the fairly rare Richard, there are 2200 PRs for Mary Jones on this site !.
ASSUMING she was Baptised in Newnham, that "only" leaves 46 of which this is clearly the most likely fit datewise:

Record_ID: 188050
Entry_Number:
Year: 1774
Month: Jul
Day: 13
Parents_Surname: JONES
Child_Forenames: Mary
Fathers_Forenames: Charles
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Newnham
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P228 IN 1/3
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Newnham
Soundex: J520

SO NOT proof at all, but a reasonable possible I think ?.

Have you searched the likes of LDS etc ?

I'll revisit later, goodnight, Jeff

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There are quite a number of Public Members Trees on Ancestry with the GODWIN/JONES family from Gloucestershire, and include Jeremiah and Grace - who died 21 November 1855 Blakeney. Most of these trees - give Richard GODWIN's baptism 17 August 1746 at English Bicknor, father: Thomas

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On the FOD records, there are Memorial Inscriptions for a Richard & Deborah GODWIN at St Briavels - 1772 - and can see baptisms for this couple, Mary & Joanna - 1757 and 1760, but no other children. National Archives have records for Richard GODWIN, Yeoman St Briavels.

Most of them give Richard GODWIN's death of 1821 in St Briavels, although can't see this on the FOD records.

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Thanks MPG.
So this is believed to be Richard's Baptism,

Record ID 124882
Entry Number
Year 1746
Month Aug
Day 17
Parents Surname GODWIN
Child Forenames Richard
Fathers Forenames Thomas
Mothers Forenames not stated
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference GDR V1/34
Page Number
Parish Chapel English Bicknor

Do any of the Ancestry trees suggest that the Thomas Haynes who witnessed the marriage is actually Richard's father Thomas ?. I presume it's been discussed.

Thatsaid, Thomas is a common local name, and as Richard is quite an "old" groom then maybe his father has already passed away by the time of his Marriage ?
Perhaps Thomas is a friend of Mary's ?
I can't help thinking this may be him after searching all the relevant PRs ?

Record_ID: 105109
Entry_Number: 152
Year: 1791
Month: Apr
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: HAYNES
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of the parish of St. Aldates in this City
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: GOODWIN
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of the College Precincto in the same City
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: J M Read
Witness_2: Eliza Wilton
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Thomas Stock Minister
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P154/6 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 72
Parish_Chapel: Gloucester St Aldate
Soundex_Groom: H520
Soundex_Bride: G350

There isn't a Marriage Record between any Thomas Haynes/Haines & any Mary abt 1793 in the FoD PRs (I had wondered if Thomas was a potential future husband to fellow witness and possibly widowed? mother? Mary Godwin).
Perhaps the above Ann Godwin is a relative, perhaps even sister of Mary ?
(Joanna even ?).

Pure conjecture I know, but ??.

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