Margaret -

Are you having fun yet?

OK - I am only sending this as your last comment was regarding a previous wife for Thomas. I have no idea on all your history, as I am loosely following your hunt for Florrie (although they are starting to grow on me)...

I found this on Family Search and Ancestry:
In 1900, this Thomas is in the same town that your Thomas is in in 1920 with Florence. I'm not sure about the 1910 location (haven't checked that).

I don't know if this is the first wife because what would have happened to all those children? Divorce? Regardless, I thought I would let you be the judge of that and send you the information anyway. Immigration year is close to what you found. I have rarely found the immigration date to be accurate, but within a year or two is a good shot.

name: Thomas Davey
1900 US Census
ED 85 Luzerne borough Ward 3-4, Luzerne, Pennsylvania, United States
birth date: Jun 1872
birthplace: England
relationship to head of household: Head
father's birthplace: England
mother's birthplace: England
race or color (standardized): White
gender: Male
marital status: Married
years married: 7
estimated marriage year: 1893
mother how many children:
number living children:
immigration year: 1892
page: 7
sheet letter: B
family number: 128
reference number: 65
film number: 1241433
digital folder number: 004115124
image number: 00182
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head Thomas Davey M 28 England
wife Mattie Davey F 25 Pennsylvania
son Stephen Davey M 6 Pennsylvania
daughter Lydia Davey F 2 Pennsylvania

1910 US Census:
name: Thomas Davey
birthplace: England
relationship to head of household: Self
residence: Liberty, Susquehanna, Pennsylvania
marital status: Married
race : White
gender: Male
immigration year: 1891
father's birthplace: England
mother's birthplace: England
family number: 106
page number: 6
Household Gender Age Birthplace
self Thomas Davey M 39y England
wife Mattie Davey F 34y Pennsylvania
son Stephen T Davey M 15y Pennsylvania
son Edwin L Davey M 10y Pennsylvania
dau Edith Davey F 8y Pennsylvania
son William Davey M 7y Pennsylvania
son Walter Davey M 4y Pennsylvania
dau Mildred Davey F 1y Pennsylvania

Thanks for the update Margaret,
it's nice to know I appear to have got something right last night, insofar as Thomas being a Cornishman it seems. Sorry but I'm a little confused abt which Thomas it is ?. Using the Ancestry search screen plus LDS there are clearly SEVERAL Thos Daveys born in Cornwall between say 1862 and 1870. Similarly there are SEVERAL Thos Daveys in the 1920/30 etc US Census "born England" abt 1862-1870.

Yesterday I'd read the 1920 US Census that gave him as Thos M Davey aged 50, hence that was what I searched for last night and what I appeared to find in Thos Mark near Cardiff in 1901, a perfect fit I thought.

However, I see you've now taken him as Thos Nankivel born 1864 ??.

ie from LDS, which I've only just seen:

"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975,"
name: Thomas Nankivel Davey
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 18 Oct 1864
baptism/christening place: St. Agnes (near Truro), Cornwall, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Sampson Davey
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Philippa
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I02543-4
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1596548
reference number: item 9 p 88

On re-reading the post re the US Census Returns, I see the 1930 Census gives him as plain Thomas Davey aged 58, whereas the 1940 Census gives him as Thomas N. Davey aged 72 !?!. HELP !
QUESTION: do you have access to read the actual US Census forms, to decide once and for all what his middle name initial actually is ?

Meanwhile, how do you know which Thos is yours ?

I've just searched again for Thos N Davey b1864 on the 1901 UK Census on LDS without finding any "N"s at all, ditto on the 1911 UK Census on Ancestry. I cannot find him. Perhaps he's already crossed the Atlantic, or maybe he's just one of the several Thos Daveys (no middle initial given) I've seen listed in various households but ALL still in their home Cornwall/Devon area so NOT near Florence ?. (Thats assuming of course he's met Florence in the UK before they married in the US, why else would she travel there alone ?).

I must say I thought finding Thos Mark Davey very near Cardiff in the 1901 census was relevant, especially as he was THE hit amongst several also-rans.

As I posted yesterday it seems to me that if possible the emmigration records for Thomas really do need finding, so we know when he leaves the UK Census's and enters the US ones. I realise you've posted one record, for which the given age doesnt particularly match your associated birth; please, how do you know these are correct ?. Surely this young arrival at NY would accurately know his age ?. If he had a middle name wouldn't he give it on arrival (sorry, I don't know how precise these pasenger list records are). Either way it seems quite literally a needle in a haystack given the sheer numbers of Thos Daveys entering the US. Yes I see the Thos arriving is from Cornwall, but this man's given age differs from the LDS record above by 6 years !

To recap, according to LDS there are half a dozen or more "possible" Thomas Daveys born "England" in the US Census of the approximate birthdate, so plenty of room for confusion. Thankfully many of them go thro the US Census' with wives so some can be discounted, but even so if he had been married before Florence then ???.

Meanwhile, this may be your man, off LDS, but presumably not Nankivel:

"United States, New England Naturalization Index, 1791-1906,"
Thomas Davey, 1906

name: Thomas Davey
event: Naturalization
event date: 1906
event place:
age:
birth year: 1867
birthplace: England
nara publication title: Index to New England Naturalization Petitions, 1791-1906
nara publication number: M1299
nara roll number: 8
film number: 1429678
digital folder number: 4638984
image number: 05313

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Finally, do you have any views as to whether Florence Priscilla A. MORGAN born Cardiff Sep 1903 actually is your Florence's daughter as per my post ?

I do hope this helps. Personally I'm very confused now, and it's very late so I look forward to hopefully hearing from your later today.

atb Jeff, in wet & wild Middlesex.

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LATER PS:

Re your belief it is Thos NANKIVEL Davey, is this because you've seen the following ?. I've just searched all "Thos N Davey" on FreeBMD and find:

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Births Sep 1864 (>99%)
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DAVEY Thomas Nankivel Truro 5c 162

Now given the very unusual middle name this must be the same man, surely ?

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Marriages Mar 1906 (>99%)
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BREWER Annie Pontypridd 11a 768
Davey Thomas Nankevill Pontypridd 11a 768
James Mary Pontypridd 11a 768
Pritchard Daniel Pontypridd 11a 768

AND HE'S IN PONTY !!
Sadly without a certificate don't know who marries who here. I've searched the area for likely births, none for mother Brewer (altho several in Cornwall for years to follow), several for mother James in South Wales altho not Ponty or Cardiff, BUT James is a VERY common surname there so no proof.

Great record you think, or at least I know I did !.

HOWEVER he's there in 1906, whereas your passenger record shows "him" to be sailing to NY in 1892, so ????.

Food for thought methinks (or in my case a very late supper or early breakfast, goodnight!).

I haven't found a 1st.marriage for him and there should be one.

I still don't know how Florence is connected to Ynysybwl, Glam, unless one of her siblings moved there, for work in the coalfields?

Cheers,
Margaret

a possible connection ?

1911 Pontypridd
Charles Davey 31 Tunbridge Wells KENT
Florice Davey 24 Pontypridd
Edner May Davey 3 Llanwonno Ynysbwl
Gwyneth Davey 1 yr 10/12 Llanwonno Ynysbwl
Edith Maud Davey 3/12 Llanwonno Ynysbwl

Name: Charles Davey
Name: Florrie Marchant
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1906
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 1028

1901
Charles Davey abt 1880 Tunbridge, Wiltshire, England Head Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Mary A William abt 1849 Llandsiea, Carmarthenshire, Wales Mother Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Robert S Davey abt 1887 Pembroke Dock, Pembrokeshire, Wales Brother Llanwonno, Glamorgan
William Prosser abt 1878 Clehonger, Herefordshire, England Visitor Llanwonno, Glamorgan

1901
Florrie Merchant abt 1887 Pontypridd, Glamorgan, Wales Servant Llanwonno, Glamorgan

1891
William Merchant abt 1851 London, England Head Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Merchant abt 1851 Blackwood, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Llanwonno, Glamorgan
William G Merchant abt 1874 Merford, Yorkshire, England Son Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Carrie Merchant abt 1880 Normanton, Yorkshire, England Daughter Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Lizzie Merchant abt 1884 Normanton, Yorkshire, England Daughter Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Florey Merchant abt 1887 Pontypridd, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Llanwonno, Glamorgan

1881
Robert Davey abt 1855 Winsham, Somerset, England Head Tonbridge, Kent
Mary A. Davey abt 1851 Llandibea, Carmarthenshire, Wales Wife Tonbridge, Kent
Charles Davey abt 1880 Tunb Wells, Kent, England Son Tonbridge, Kent

1861
William Davey abt 1824 London, Middlesex, England Head Winsham, Somerset
Mary Davey abt 1819 Payhembury, Devon, England Wife Winsham, Somerset
Elizabeth Davey abt 1849 Winsham, Somerset, England Daughter Winsham, Somerset
Eliza Davey abt 1851 Winsham, Somerset, England Daughter Winsham, Somerset
John Davey abt 1853 Winsham, Somerset, England Son Winsham, Somerset
Robert Davey abt 1855 Winsham, Somerset, England Son Winsham, Somerset
Emma Davey abt 1858 Winsham, Somerset, England Daughter Winsham, Somerset
William Davey abt 1860 Winsham, Somerset, England Son Winsham, Somerset
George Davey abt 1860 Winsham, Somerset, England Son Winsham, Somerset
Richard Davey abt 1820 London, Middlesex, England Brother Winsham, Somerset

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