Littledean 1841 William EDGE & Richard NEWMAN (General)
by unknown, Tuesday, October 23, 2012, 04:05 (4410 days ago)
In the 1841 census, William Edge (?) is an innkeeper on Broad St. My ancestor, Richard Newman is living next to him as a Blacksmith. Earlier in the century, the parish records state Richard Newman is an innkeeper. I am wondering if anyone has information regarding who owned the inns in Littledean in the 1800-1850 era? Which inns are still standing and/or operating? Thanks in advance.
Littledean - Pubs (Broad Street)
by m p griffiths , Tuesday, October 23, 2012, 13:31 (4409 days ago) @ unknown
You can find out the names of the pubs by looking at later census returns i.e.
Try and find a person born around the date of the census (in this case Littledean) if you don't know exactly what District the street would be in....
1851 Census, District 7
'The whole of the Parish of Littledean, including Dean Hill, Temple Lane, Broad Street, Silver Street, Church Street, Rufffett Redding Lane, Lodge Hill and Calamore'
Broad Street
Page 6
James BLETHEN - 70 Innkeeper
Page 11
George Inn - William STONE - 44
Page 17
Crofs Keys Inn - John GUEST - 34
Page 18
Kings Head Inn - Joseph SIER
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Looking Back at the 1841 Census - District 6
Whole of the Parish of Littledean
Broad Street, Page 2
William EDGE, Innkeeper (at the Cross Keys - 1837 Directory)
Page 3
Susanna THOMAS - 60 Innkeeper
just a few doors away
James PRITCHARD - Innkeeper
Page 6
Thomas WHIT.... 55 - Victuallar
James BLETHIN - Victualler
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Depended which way the Enumerator walked Broad Street, but 'a little work' working at later census returns, could work out where the Pubs were located. As the population grew, the Districts can be different...
ie. part of Broad Street, Littldean 1861 - is District 2
Broad Street
Page 7, George Inn - John BAYLIS - 38
Page 9, Nelson Inn, Job VAISEY
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Ancestry is very slow and 'playing up' at the moment, but hope this helps showing how a list of Pubs can be obtained through on-going census returns...
Littledean - Pubs (Broad Street)
by unknown, Tuesday, October 23, 2012, 14:03 (4409 days ago) @ m p griffiths
Thanks, I had thought of that but didn't think it would work or that they would be staying put for any length of time. I will follow up with the census tho' and see what happens. Unfortunately my Newman was an innkeeper prior to the census when he continued as a Blacksmith.
Littledean - Pubs (Broad Street) - William EDGE
by m p griffiths , Tuesday, October 23, 2012, 14:28 (4409 days ago) @ unknown
British History on Line - Littledean - lists old Pubs inc Broad Street
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23258
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William EDGE (next door to your ancestor - was Innkeeper at the Cross Keys in 1837)
Robson's Commercial Directory of Mitcheldean 1837 includes Littledean)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cbennett/index.htm
Littledean - Pubs (Broad Street) - William EDGE
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Tuesday, October 23, 2012, 19:57 (4409 days ago) @ m p griffiths
The Glos Pubs site is great for pub history, altho can take a while to find your target
http://www.gloucestershirepubs.co.uk/AllGlosPubsDatabase/AllGlosPubs_view.php
Sadly cannot give a direct link but search "Cross Keys" (but not "Cross Keys Littledean" !?) and then please leaf thro the various and possibly many pages. This website apears to be the newer version of the old Easywell site (which sadly now seems defunct as was easier to copy from etc) sorry I cannot from this new site.
I think the info is gleaned from old Trade Directories and Licensee Registers, in this instance it shows "William Edge @ 1837". You may like to also seen the current thread re Redbrook's Boat Inn for some suggested pubs & landlords websites.
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=38801#p38816.
The excellent book "Pubs of the FoD" by Heather Hurley contains several pages of history and old photos re Littledean and its nine old pubs, altho sadly the Cross Keys has very scant info indeed (all is on the above website entry). I'll read my copy later and hopefully post wrt any mention of William Edge & Richard Newman(UPDATE, sorry no mention), if you have access to local librairies they hold copies.
This book has a map showing that most of these nine pubs are in Broad Street, starting the Church end of town (toward Gloster/Westbury) the Cross Keys, White Lion, Red Lion, Kings Head, Belfry(ex George/Golden Heart), and finally Littledean Guest House at the start of the Hill upto Cinderford. Of these only the Belfry and recently renovated Guest House are still trading, the Kings Head closed a few years back.
Re the Cross Keys the book states
"South west of the Cross, a former inn was known as the Cross Keys in 1739, and was the meeting place of a Friendly Society in 1813. During the mid C19th it was kept by Henry Clift then Hannah Parsons who may have served as the last landlady". The book has a recent photo of it, a plain but not unattractive mid-terrace "house" with central door onto the roadside pavement.
PS I have just abt managed to find the above house using Google Streetmap, albeit more by luck than judgement (I can drive a bus, but this website ?...). The house is still resplendent in its traditional local red sandstone, between two others in a short terrace. This terrace is at the very beginning of Broad Street as you turn right thro the miniroundabout if driving from the Church/Flaxley end of the village. The terrace is on your left hand side, the Cross Keys has a black door & storm porch, and a large sandstone relief plaque set into the wall above the central door, sorry I cannot see this plaque in detail.
Littledean - Pubs (Broad Street) - William EDGE
by unknown, Wednesday, October 24, 2012, 03:56 (4409 days ago) @ Jefff
Thank you for your lengthy reply. It helped immensely. I did visit Little Dean back in 2005 but didn't have a "great knowledge" of the pubs/inns and that my ancestor had an inn. I am learning so much from all your replies. I live in the United States and sometimes your terminology is just a bit different than ours. I just got back from work and dug into Google earth and I believe found the house you were talking about. It's kinda cool to visit from the states without leaving my house. I am interested in getting a book on the pubs of the area and you mentioned Heather's book. I see there are a few other ones, any of them good? Jon Hurley, Geoff Sandles have them also, just wondering if one is better than the other. There is so much to learn but there is much out there, I just need to know where to look in the UK for that info. I'll check out the Pub listing also for more background data. Again, can't say enough about your help.
Thanks so much,
Cathy