John COLLINS 1849 Devon; & SMITH, DELACEY, ANSLEY,CLEMENTS (General)
by jevans 
, USA, Monday, November 12, 2012, 00:02 (4390 days ago)
Hello,
I am looking for some connection for John E. COLLINS, born in 1849 in (according to his obituary) Heathcock, Devonshire. He married Jane SMITH, daughter of Richard and Mary Ann SMITH (Hillersland, Mailscot Lodge) in the U.S. after emigrating in 1869. The mystery is why did he end up in the Forest of Dean area where he met my great-great grandmother Jane Smith? I cannot find any hint of him in or around FOD. A couple of clues may be; after coming to the U.S. and settling in WI, he became a depot agent at the railway. He also wrote a book about Socialism, and as I understand, he was not formally educated, but self-taught.
I am thinking he came to FOD for employment purposes or perhaps he knew someone in the Smith family and once there, became acquainted with Jane. I have checked the 1861 census but nothing matches.
Note: in searching for Heathcock, Devonshire, I found that there is no such place. There is a Heathstock (now Stockland) and it might be that is where he originated. I have nothing on his parents or siblings. But I do have photographs of unidentified people, taken in Chard and Exeter which are in the vicinity of Heathstock.
The Smith Family was associated with the English Bicknor parish. Sisters of Jane Smith were Mrs. George DELACY, Mrs. Annie ANSLEY and Mrs. Harriett CLEMENTS. Parents of Richard Smith (Jane’s father) were Edward Smith and Elizabeth GWILLIAM in the parish of English Bicknore. Does anyone have these names in their tree? If anyone has any ideas of where I could look next, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.
COLLINS/Heathstock - Harry COLLINS - London
by m p griffiths , Monday, November 12, 2012, 08:01 (4389 days ago) @ jevans
The Village of Stockland
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'Genuki: Stockland with it's adjoining chapelry of Dalwood formed a detached member of Dorsetshire till 1842 when it was added to Devon by Act of Parliament'.
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FOD records
Baptism at Christchurch 18 February 1849
Janes SMITH
parents: Richard (Woodman) & Mary : residence: Hillersland Lodge.
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SMITH - Hillersland
previous thread:
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=38064
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Jane SMITH married John COLLINS - 17 November 1870 - USA
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Public Members Tree: children of John & Jane COLLINS
Lillian J - 1871
Donald Charles - 1873
John Albert - 1875
Fremont Stnaley - 1881
Nathan R - 1885
Mabel M - 1892
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Looking at his Obituary on Ancestry - he worked as a Cabinet-Maker in Warren, Illionois. As the James COLLINS on the census returns was a Wheelwright and son a Carpenter - this would seem to be a skill that would have been passed down the family.
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? (although John not with this couple 1861 census)
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Stockland is in the Axminster District
Freebdm
O/N/D Qtr 1849
COLLINS John
Volume : 10
Page 7:
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1851 Census, Devon, Stockland (few COLLINS in Stockland, and Heathstock area very small)
District 3c
Page 10 of 24
Address: Heathstock
COLLINS
James - 37, Carpenter, born Stockland
Elizabeth - 28
William - 7 (Ancestry has the two boys as POLLINS not COLLINS)
John - 1
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Freebdm
Marriage: Axminster District: J/F/M Qtr 1843
James COLLINS - and there is an Elizabeth HALL with the same reference i.e. Volume 10, Page 1
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1861 Census, Dorset, Wambrook
Carpenter & Shop
COLLINS
James - 47 - Master Wheelwright
Elizabeth - 38
William - 17 - Wheelwright ***
Harry - 6 ***
Ellen - 4
Eliza - 3
Fanny - 1
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1881 Census, Gloucestershire, Westbury on Tryn
20 Cowper Road
Charlotte GILLETT - Widow - 58 - Annuitant, born Glos. Henbury
Harry COLLINS, 26, Carpenter & Joiner, born Devon, Heathstock
Elizabeth COLLINS, 33, born Monmouthshire, Malpas
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1901 Census, London, Kensington
5 Denbigh Terrace
COLLINS
Harry - 46, Joiner Carpenter Political Organiser, Employer born Stockland, Devon *
Elizabeth - 45, born Mon. Malpas
Edith H B COLLINS, Niece - 16, Milliners Apprentice, born Holloway, London
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John COLLINS 'he wrote a book about Socialism'
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1891 Census, London, Kensington Place
COLLINS
Henry - 36, Political Secretary, born Stockland Devon
Elizabeth - 40 - born Malpas, Monmouthshire
Annie (niece) 20 - Servant Cook, born Devon
Edith E (niece) - 6 - born London
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1871
Dorset, Axminster
Sector Road
COLLINS
William - 27, Wheelwright & Carpenter, born Devon, Stockland
Eliza - 26, born Dorset, Nethabury
John W F - 2 - born Sector, Axminster, Dorset
Alice - 6 months, born Sector, Axminster
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COLLINS, James/Dorset, Elizabeth/Monmouthshire, Henry/London
by jevans , USA, Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 03:31 (4389 days ago) @ m p griffiths
This is very helpful! I had found a record of William Collins on the 1851 English census and then found James Collins. But you have given me much more.
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? (although John not with this couple 1861 census)<
John must have been one of the children who died in infancy, the other one was probably Jennie, gathering from census information.
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1861 Census, Dorset, Wambrook
Carpenter & Shop
COLLINS
James - 47 - Master Wheelwright
Elizabeth - 38
William - 17 - Wheelwright ***
Harry - 6 ***
Ellen - 4
Eliza - 3
Fanny - 1 <
John is not listed here. He would have been about 12 years old. Was it common then for boys to go to boarding school? The census asked the names of people who slept in the household that night. So John was someplace else.
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Heathstock
Elizabeth COLLINS, 33, born Monmouthshire, Malpas<
One of the unidentified photos that were in with the Collins/Smith papers is a woman that was taken in Monmouth.
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1891 Census, London, Kensington Place
COLLINS
Henry - 36, Political Secretary, born Stockland Devon
Elizabeth - 40 - born Malpas, Monmouthshire
Annie (niece) 20 - Servant Cook, born Devon
Edith E (niece) - 6 - born London<
I have a photo of a couple taken by a photog. at Deptford Bridge, Corner of Greenwich rd.
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Thank you for the leads. They have potential and I will see what else I can find out using them.
I truly appreciate your help.
Janet
Edith E COLLINS - born 1885 Holloway
by m p griffiths , Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 17:14 (4388 days ago) @ jevans
There is always a possibility, John COLLINS was at sea living near to the coast. Ship Carpenters was an occupation.
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As Holloway is in Islington District - Edith (1885) baptism (I think) is on Ancestry - and Edith's mother, was Fanny, probably James' sister.
Fanny is aged 1 on the 1861 census.
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London, England, Births and baptisms - 1813-1906
Baptism Islington : Islington St Mary
12 April 1885 - born 2 February 1885
Edith Ellen Blanch COLLINS - mother, Fanny COLLINS, abode London Rd. -
1881 Census, London St Marylebone
Christchurch
3 Kent Terrace
Fanny COLLINS, 21, Housemaid, born Wambrook, Dorset (which tallies with the 1861 census)
In the home of William W LLOYD, age 68, Mfg Retired + his family)
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On the 1891 Census, St John Paddington
No. 2 Southwick Place
Fanny COLLIS, age 31 Domestic Servant, born Dorset Wambrook
is working for Francis W PERCEVIAL - age 47, Examiner in Education Dept at Whitehall
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As James COLLINS was a Political Secretary - wonder whether he worked at Whitehall also and used his contacts to find Fanny a position????
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1901 Census, Surrey, Hambledon
Malthouse Lane
NEWMAN
George - 28, Bricklayers Labourer, born Surrey, Hambledon
Fanny - 41 - born Somerset, Wambrook
.........this is her on the 1911 Census
Coombe Lane, Wormley Hill, Godalming, Surrey
NEWMAN
George - 38
Fanny - 51 - born Wanbrook, Dorset - married 11 years (one child born alive, one living - no mention of Edith)
Frederick George NEWMAN - son age 9
and various other people....
Jane COLLINS nee SMITH 1849 ,Hillersland prior thread
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, November 12, 2012, 08:56 (4389 days ago) @ jevans
He married Jane SMITH, daughter of Richard and Mary Ann SMITH (Hillersland, Mailscot Lodge)
The mystery is why did he end up in the Forest of Dean area where he met my great-great grandmother Jane Smith?
Richard SMITH prior thread
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=6074
What prompts you to believe that he "came to " the Forest of Dean ? Did he travel to the States with Jane ?
1880
John Collins Calamine, Lafayette, Wisconsin abt 1851 England Self (Head) Station Agent
Jane Collins Calamine, Lafayette, Wisconsin abt 1850 England Wife
Lily Collins Calamine, Lafayette, Wisconsin abt 1872 Illinois Daughter
Donald Collins Calamine, Lafayette, Wisconsin abt 1874 Wisconsin Son
John Collins Calamine, Lafayette, Wisconsin abt 1875 Wisconsin Son
Jennie Collins Calamine, Lafayette, Wisconsin abt 1880 Wisconsin Daughter
1900( not sure which of these belong with John and Jane's family)
Jane Collins name city, Green, Wisconsin mm 1848 location info
John Collins name city, Green, Wisconsin mm 1849 location info
Andrew J Collins name city, Green, Wisconsin mm 1865 location info
Catharine A Collins name city, Green, Wisconsin mm 1870 location info
Donald C Collins name,name city, Green, Wisconsin mm 1873 location info
Fremont W Collins name,name city, Green, Wisconsin mm 1881 location info
Nathan R Collins name,name city, Green, Wisconsin mm 1885 location info
Agnes E Collins name,name city, Green, Wisconsin mm 1889 location info
Eva B Collins name,name city, Green, Wisconsin mm 1889 location info
Mabel M Collins name,name city, Green, Wisconsin mm 1892 location
1910( not sure which of these belong with John and Jane's family)
Jane S Collins name city, Green, Wisconsin 1849 location info
John E Collins name city, Green, Wisconsin 1850 location info
Donald C Collins name city, Green, Wisconsin 1874 location info
Minnie J Collins name city, Green, Wisconsin 1880 location info
Joseph Collins city, Green, Wisconsin 1882 location info
Agnes E Collins name,name city, Green, Wisconsin 1890 location info
Mabel M Collins name,name city, Green, Wisconsin 1892 location info
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Donald L Collins name,name city, Green, Wisconsin 1902 location info
Geneieve M Collins name, name city, Green, Wisconsin 1904 location info
Eva B Dodge[Eva B Collins] name city, Green, Wisconsin 1890 location info
1920 ( not sure which of these belong with John and Jane's family)
Jane Collins name city, Green, Wisconsin abt 1849
John Collins name city, Green, Wisconsin abt 1850
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Sylvester H Collins name city, Green, Wisconsin abt 1855
Ollie E Collins name city, Green, Wisconsin abt 1860
Joseph Collins name city, Green Lake, Wisconsin abt 1867
Hattie Collins name city, Green, Wisconsin abt 1870
Donald Collins name city, Green, Wisconsin abt 1874
Albert Collins name city, Green, Wisconsin abt 1875
John W Collins name city, Green Lake, Wisconsin abt 1875
John V Collins name city, Green, Wisconsin abt 1876
Ada Collins name city, Green, Wisconsin abt 1877
Minnie Collins name city, Green, Wisconsin abt 1880
Erma Collins name city, Green Lake, Wisconsin abt 1885
Lena Collins name city, Green Lake, Wisconsin abt 1885
Mabel Collins name,name city, Green, Wisconsin abt 1894
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Jane COLLINS nee SMITH 1849 ,Hillersland prior thread
by jevans , USA, Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 02:35 (4389 days ago) @ slowhands
Thank you Slowhands, for all that great information. Some of it I have, but much of it is new. I appreciate it!
I believe John Collins was in the FOD neighborhood because the family story is that he emigrated to the U.S. first(which he did in 1869), and Jane followed in 1870. They were married in 1870 in Illinois. So they had some prior connection. I found what I believe is a record of the ship on which Jane sailed. She did not have any Collins or Smiths with her. However, I can't believe she would have made the trip alone.
So I am trying to figure out how he happened to meet Jane and from that, who his parents or siblings were. Someone else on the forum posted some information about some Collins' from Devon. Perhaps there were relatives around FOD and they is why John ended up there. Anyway I have some good leads to follow.
Thanks again for your help!
-Janet
Mary Ann DELANEY, nee SMITH 1843 Hillersland
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, November 12, 2012, 13:33 (4389 days ago) @ jevans
The Smith Family was associated with the English Bicknor parish. Sisters of Jane Smith were Mrs. George DELACY, Mrs. Annie ANSLEY and Mrs. Harriett CLEMENTS. Parents of Richard Smith (Jane’s father) were Edward Smith and Elizabeth GWILLIAM in the parish of English Bicknore. Does anyone have these names in their tree? If anyone has any ideas of where I could look next, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.
1871
George Delaney 38
Mary A Delaney 28
William Delaney 6
Annie E Delaney 4
Mary A Delaney 9 Months
1881
George Delaney abt 1834 Hillersland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Delaney abt 1843 Hillersland, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Annie Elisa Delaney abt 1867 Hillersland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Delaney abt 1871 Hillersland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Sarah Delaney abt 1876 Hillersland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Faney Delaney abt 1879 Hillersland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
1891
George Delaney abt 1834 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary A Delaney abt 1843 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Delaney abt 1865 Lea Bailey East Dear, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Annie E Delaney abt 1867 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Fanny Delaney abt 1879 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Helen M Dyke abt 1879 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Niece West Dean, Gloucestershire
1901
George Delaney abt 1834 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Monmouthshire
Mary A Delaney abt 1843 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Monmouthshire
George E Delaney abt 1894 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson West Dean, Monmouthshire
Fredrick E Ambury abt 1870 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son-in-law West Dean, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Ambury abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
Ambury Infant abt 1901 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson West Dean, Monmouthshire
1911 Woodville House Hillersland Nr Coleford Glos
George Delaney 77
Mary Ann Delaney 68
George Ernest Delaney 17
DELANEY George Ernest
BLOXHAM Elizabeth
Forest of Dean Monmouth Register Office
1935 33 19
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