Thomas HAWKER & Hannah REDMAN, Frampton on Severn

Thomas Hawker born approx 1753
Hannah Redman born approx 1758 - according to 1841 census - born in Glos. Died 1842 Frampton on Severn

They were married in Frampton on Severn on 24 Nov 1786

Does anyone know where they were born or have any other information about them?

They had many children - one of whom - Henry - was my 4th great grandfather.

Many thanks

Liz

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Hi Liz,
am I right in thinking your birth year for Thomas is based on this PR ?

Record_ID: 314528
Entry_Number:
Year: 1812
Month: Oct
Day: 11
Surname: HAWKER
Forenames: Thomas
Residence: Frampton
Age_at_death: 58
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P149 IN 1/3
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Frampton on Severn
Soundex: H260

If so then could this Will be his, may well be worth your getting a copy - from the Glos "Non-conformists site" as I call it
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Results.aspx

"Will No 83, Year 1818, May 23rd, Thomas Hawker of Frampton on Severn."

I've no doubt you've also seen this Baptism among the "possibles" shown on the LDS site, I think the only one for 1753 within the "area", although this birthyear is subject to error of course.

Name: Hawkes
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 1753
Christening Place: TEMPLE, BRISTOL, GLOUCS., ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Hawkes
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C17295-1
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1596178
Reference ID: - 2:2XGQ79J

see other "possibles" at
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Ath...

Hope this helps.

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Many thanks for the information

Shall try the will to see if there is any more info there

Liz

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You're welcome, hope it helps.
Re Hannah you say her age correlates to the 1841 Census; I expect you know it also agrees with this PR.

Record_ID: 313312
Entry_Number: 476
Year: 1842
Month: May
Day: 22
Surname: HAWKER
Forenames: Hannah
Residence: Frampton
Age_at_death: 84 y[ea]rs
Officiating_Minister: John Colborne Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P149 IN 1/11
Page_No: 60
Parish_Chapel: Frampton on Severn
Soundex: H260

Searching LDS doesnt give any likely Baptisms in our area even between 1740 & 1769. I was surprised to see that altho that site's usually very good at offeringup name spelling variants, in my case altho it did so for the surname it didn't also offer Annas etc when I first searched Hannah, so had to repeat the search - odd that.

PS I'm frustrated as I'm convinced I've seen a usefull independent website quoted on this forum during the last 6 months or so which gave early PR transcripts for the Frampton/Fretherne area, but I cannot find it by searching..... I think I need rebooting !

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Parishmouse

have another marriage of a HAWKER (not REDMAN)

Thomas BEARD to Mary Hopkins HAWKER - 16 August 1789 at Frampton on Severn

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Thomas Hawker born approx 1753
Hannah Redman born approx 1758 - according to 1841 census - born in Glos. Died 1842 Frampton on Severn

They were married in Frampton on Severn on 24 Nov 1786

Does anyone know where they were born or have any other information about them?

They had many children - one of whom - Henry - was my 4th great grandfather.

Many thanks

Liz

The marriage date puts them "relatively" old - in their 30's - is it possible that Hannah was married before ?

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Hardwicke is less than five miles from Frampton.

Name: Thomas Hawker
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 24 Mar 1756
Christening Place: HARDWICKE,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thos Hawker
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02895-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 425428
Reference ID:

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Thanks to one and all
I shall follow up all leads and see what I find

Liz

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A follow up with info regarding Thomas Hawker.
Thomas Hawker was left money by his mother and through a widow, Mary Moore of Hardwicke, his aunt.
The will of Mary Moore was proved in 1797 (I now have copy) Money was left to various inc. her sister Ann Hawker (mother of Thomas) and sister Betty Cook(e). I've managed to work out that the maiden name of the 3 women was Hawkins.
Betty Hawkins married William Cook - Hardwicke - 1762
Mary Hawkins married William Moore - Hardwicke 1761
All four are buried in Hardwicke cemetery.
I still can't find a marriage of Ann Hawkins and Thomas Hawker (parents of Thomas Hawker born 1756)
Any leads would be gratefully accepted
I hope that the above will be of interested for anyone researching the Hawker, Cook or Moore families.
Thank you so much for providing me with the tips that got me this far

Liz

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Hi Liz

We can never find the one we really need can we?!

I suspect that this is the Thomas that married Ann (but no proof yet).

Name: Thomas Hawker
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 24 Jan 1724
Christening Place: ELMSTONE HARDWICKE,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Hawker
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02812-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 425411
Reference ID:

I have also found a possible William:

Name: Will Hawker
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 09 May 1703
Christening Place: ELMSTONE HARDWICKE,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02812-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 425411
Reference ID:

Still missing those darn marriages though!

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I'll try and follow the leads that you have supplied, Thanks.

One last question:
Betty Hawkins marrying William Cook(e) 25 March 1762
&
Mary Hawkins marrying William Moore 5 Feb 1761
Both couples were married by licence rather than banns. Is this what posh people did or would it be done in a hurry to save awkward questions?
Once again, thanks to all who have helped me.
Liz

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Both couples were married by licence rather than banns. Is this what posh people did or would it be done in a hurry to save awkward questions?

or
it may be that they lived in different parishes - I think it was cheaper by licence compared to reading Banns in two parishes .....

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Looking at the Gloucestershire Marriage Index CD pre 1800

Just a few HARDWICKE marriages listed 1791-1799

Ann HAWKER married Richard JACKSONS at Hardwicke 14 April 1794

Nathaniel HAWKINS married Susanna COOKE by Lic at Hardwicke - 3 May 1796

Moses REDMAN - married Margaret BRUTON at Wotton/Edge - 29 April 1734
Richard REDMAN of Leonard Stanley, married Sarah LEA (Lic) - Glos S. Aldate 8 May 1782

on FoD records

Richard REDMAN - Bachelor
residence: of the parish of Leonard Manley in the County & dioceses of Gloucester

married

Sarah LEA - Spinster of this parish - by licence.

Witnesses: John KIDMAN/John REMINGTON

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Gloucestershire Burial Index 1800 onwards

Only one Burial of a HAWKER at Hardwicke St Nicholas

Ann HAWKER - 23 January 1818 - age 91 (residence: Morton Valance) = c1727

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HAWKINS burials at Hardwicke

Ann HAWKINS - 7 December 1836 - age 83 (residence: Morton Valance
Edward Gilding HAWKINS - 2m - 2 January 1839 - (residence: Hardwicke)
Elizabeth HAWKINS - age 69 - 22 July 1844 - (residence: Hardwicke)
Hannah HAWKINS - age 69 - 17 October 1829 - (residence: Longney)
John HAWKINS - age 37 - 21 October 1850 - (residence: Hardwicke)
Joseph HAWKINS - age 69 - 21 March 1840 - (residence: Hardwicke)
Nathaniel HAWKINS - age 79 - 21 October 1841 - (residence: Hardwicke)
Nathaniel HAWKINS - age 60 - 23 January 1831 (residence: Hardwicke)
Nathaniel HAWKINS - age 54 - 24 November 1851 (residence: Hardwicke)
Susannah HAWKINS - age 23 - 22 September 1823 (residence: Morton Valance
Susann HAWKINS - age 79 - 14 November 1851 (residence:Morton Valance)

and COOK/COOKE burials at Hardwicke

Joseph COOK - 20 February 1835 - age 60 - (residence: Hardwicke)
Mary COOK - 8 April 1847 - age 45 - (residence: Standish)
George COOKE - 23 July 1832 - age 13 (residence: Hardwicke)
Nathaniel COOKE - 20 April 1846 - age 70 (residence: Hardwicke)
Charles COOKE - 27 August 1850 - age 11 (residence: Hardwicke)

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Hannah HAWKER buried 22 May 1842 at Frampton on Severn, age 84
James HAWKER - 19 April 1813 - age 4 m
Mary HAWKER - 26 Februry 1846 age 23
Sarah HAWKER - 7 January 1821 - age 23
Thomas HAWKER - 31 July 1844 - age 47
Adelaide HAWKER - 24 July 1842 - age 3m

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Looking at the Burial Index, most REDMAN's were

Leonard Stanley
Kings Stanley

most REDMAN's father's occupations of the baptism index, appear to be Clothworkers/Weavers/Plaisters/Stone Masons

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