Nathaniel and Priscilla Hillman

Nathaniel Hillman (b. Bisley 1805) married Priscilla Williams on 20 May 1823 in Newland. I know they had a son named THOMAS HIllman in abt. 1824 who claimed to have been born in Forest, Gloucestershire. Between 1823 and Nathaniel and Priscilla moved to Penmmon, Anglesey where they had a son called John in 1834.

Does anyone know of details relating to the birth of a Thomas Hillman f. Nathaniel in abt. 1824.

Nigel Bosworth

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On Ancestry: Warwickshire Baptism at Newbold on Avon - 13 October 1839

Ann - daughter of Nathaniel (Stonemason) & Priscilla HILLMAN

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There is from a Public Members Tree on Ancestry (with links to various census information etc)

1841 Census, Leicestershire St Mary

HILLMAN

Nathaniel - 35 - Mason - not born in County
Priscilla - 35
Elizabeth - 10
Louisa - 6
John - 4

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England & Wales Christening Records

9 August 1835 - Waverham, Cheshire

Louisa HILLMAN - parents : Nathaniel & Priscilla

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1851 Census, Middx. Hampton

Elizabeth HILLMAN - 20 - Governess, School, born Lancashire, Liverpool
Louisa HILLMAN - 15 - born Cheshire, Drayton

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1851 Census, Kent, Aylesford

New Street

Nathaniel HILLMAN - Widowr - 47 - Mason (Foreman) born Gloucestershire, Bisley
John HILLMAN - son -13? (age crossed through) - Mason, born Anglesey, Penman?
George BEARD - Brother-in-law - M - 54. Ag. Lab. born Gloucestershire, Ruardean
Olive BEARD - wife - 44 - born ditto
Albert BEARD - nephew - - age crossed through, born Chester, Trinity.

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1871 Census, Sellack, Herefordshire

Nathaniel HILLMAN - 67 - Mason, Landowner, born Bisley, Gloucestershire
Olive BEARD - 62, Housekeeper, born Glos. Ruadean
Louisa, 10, Donald 9, Walter 8 (McKEY) - Grandchildre, born Beds. Dunstable\

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National Probate, Ancestry

Nathaniel HILLMAN - Effects under £100 - 4 April 1877)

The Will with three Codicils of Nathaniel HILLMAN late of Strangford in the Parish of Selleck in the County of Hereford Builder who died 11 January 1877 at Strangford was proved at Hereford by Albert BEARD of Strangeford, Stonemason and Joseph INWARDS of Arlesey near Baldock in the County of Hereford Coal Dealer and General Agent the Executors.
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Gloucestershire Baptism Index CD - baptisms after 1813

Bisley All Saints, do have HILLMAN's christenings listed

and a Nathaniel & Sarah HILLMAN - (who is a Mason) - do have a few children christened there, including a
Thomas HILLMAN - 27 February 1820)

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John HILLMAN - parents: Nathaniel (cloth worker) & Harriot
address: Chalford
10 April 1825

Eliza HILLMAN - parents: Nathaniel (Weaver) & Harriett
address: Chalford
15 April 1827

Mary Ann HILLMAN - parents: Nathanael (cloth worker) & Harriet
address: Chalford Lynch
5 April 1829

Mary Ann HILLMAN - parents: Nathanael (Mason) & Sarah
address : Catswood
15 May 1814 - 1m

Helah HILLMAN - parents: Nathanael (Mason)n & Sarah
residence: Catswood
9 February 1817 - age 1 m

Nathaniel HILLMAN - parents: Nathaniel (plaisterer) & Sarah
address: Catswood
16 February 1823

Nathaniel HILLMAN - parents: Nathaniel (Mason) & Sarah
address: Catswood
20 March 1825

Gloucestershire Marriage Index

Nathaniel HILLMAN married Anna HEATH, Rodborough - 20 April 1801

Nathaniel HILLMAN married Harriett MASON - at Bisley - 8 August 1823

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1841 Census, Glos. Kings Stanley

HILLMAN

Nathaniel - 40
Harriette - 40
Eliza - 14
Mary A - 12
Elizth - 8
Thomas - 6
Henry - 3
Harriett - 9 months

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Thanks MPG for your hard work, I have been beaten by this query and was waiting for one of you more experienced posters to show me the light. Last night I searched all the usual Dean & Glos free websites, as I'm sure you have, and found no likely hits whatsoever.
I'd be grateful for your opinion, but after searching the LDS site I found that Nathaniel Hillman and especially alongwith Priscilla Hillman doesn't seem a particularly common combination in the Records anywhere. Using the FoD PRs advanced search didnt give any remotely close hits re Births to this family, except for the aforementioned mariage of course.

The Glos NonConformists site gives a set of apparently relevant Records for what looks like two or even three Nathaniel Hillmans;
first a Weaver from Miserden (Stroud district) and possibly his or his son's Will from 1805, a miller from Rodborough.
Secondly six Baptisms between 1805 and 1826 born to Nathaniel & Anna, he is a Baker again in Rodborough. I assume this baker is associated with the earlier miller, altho' the miller could have been in the weaving trade. No Thomas tho !?.
These Baptisms show the mother as "Anna F HEATH" - does this indicate they weren't married ?
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Results.aspx
Clearly these Records appear to link into your findings re Bisley, North Glos.

My confusion last night, that Nathaniel and Priscilla have travelled around the country a lot, seems to have been born-out by your findings. I wonder if the family is linked to the waterways ?. I see Bisley is on the canal network..? That said the Glos NonConformist site's Canal Records Set didn't produce any of the above Records.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Bisley/Gaz1868.html
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=19016
This site has a forum but I don't think it's active ?
http://www.bisleyonline.net/content/view/17/1/

LDS gives several possibly related Hits for Nathaniel & Priscilla, the nearest I could find to our Thomas is near Swansea !:

Name: Thomas Hilemon
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 24 Mar 1822
Event Place: Cadoxton-juxta-Neath, Glamorganshire, Wales
Age:
Birth Year (Estimated):
Spouse's Name:
GS Film number:
Digital Folder Number: 004378280

These results may be worth studying Nigel ?
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Ahill...

Nigel, what is your reference that Thomas was born in "Forest Glos". Is this the 1841 Census ?. I don't have full access to it but I do see some Hillman entries, possibly related, around Lydbrook & Newland amongst the above LDS hits.
I wonder if the "Forest" element is either an incorrect census entry or just not the Dean forest ??

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Thanks MPG for your hard work, I have been beaten by this query and was waiting for one of you more experienced posters to show me the light. Last night I searched all the usual Dean & Glos free websites, as I'm sure you have, and found no likely hits whatsoever.
I'd be grateful for your opinion, but after searching the LDS site I found that Nathaniel Hillman and especially alongwith Priscilla Hillman doesn't seem a particularly common combination in the Records anywhere. Using the FoD PRs advanced search didnt give any remotely close hits to this family.

The Glos NonConformists site gives a set of apparently relevant Records for what looks like two or even three Nathaniel Hillmans;
first a Weaver from Miserden (Stroud district) and possibly his or his son's Will from 1805, a miller from Rodborough.
Secondly six Baptisms between 1805 and 1826 born to Nathaniel & Anna, he is a Baker again in Rodborough. I assume this baker is associated with the earlier miller, altho' the miller could have been in the weaving trade. No Thomas tho !?.
These Baptisms show the mother as "Anna F HEATH" - does this indicate they weren't married ?
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Results.aspx
Clearly these Records appear to link into your findings re Bisley, North Glos.

My confusion last night, that Nathaniel and Priscilla have travelled around the country a lot, seems to have been born-out by your findings. I wonder if the family is linked to the waterways ?. I see Bisley is on the canal network..? That said the Glos NonConformist site's Canal Records Set didn't produce any of the above Records.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Bisley/Gaz1868.html
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=19016
This site has a forum but I don't think it's active ?http://www.bisleyonline.net/content/view/17/1/

LDS gives several possibly related Hits for Nathaniel & Priscilla, the nearest I could find to Thomas born abt is:

Not Canals as in the sense of a Waterman

Nathaniel was a Mason, possibly bridge building maybe sewers, or Railways as in 1861 census

What ever it was it took him around the country

1841 Regent St
Nathaniel Hillman abt 1806 St Mary, Leicestershire Mason
Priscilla Hillman abt 1806 St Mary, Leicestershire
Elizabeth Hillman abt 1831 St Mary, Leicestershire
Louisa Hillman abt 1835 St Mary, Leicestershire
John Hillman abt 1837 St Mary, Leicestershire

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/AGY/Penmon/index.html

1851
Nathaniel Hellman abt 1804 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Head Aylesford, Kent
John Hellman abt 1838 Penman, {PENMON} Anglesey, Wales Son Aylesford, Kent
George Beard abt 1797 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Brother-in-law Aylesford, Kent
Olive Beard abt 1807 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Aylesford, Kent
Albert Beard abt 1845 Frimley, Cheshire, England Nephew Aylesford, Kent

1861
Nathaniel Hillman abt 1794 Bezeby, Gloucestershire, England Head Luton, Bedfordshire (out of work railway contractor)
John Hillman abt 1838 Anglesea Pinmon, Wales Son Luton, Bedfordshire
George Beard abt 1797 Nurdean, Gloucestershire, England Brother-in-law Luton, Bedfordshire
Olive Beard abt 1807 Nurdeammorse, Gloucestershire, England Sister Brother In Law Luton, Bedfordshire
Albert Beard abt 1848 Trinity Bridg, Cheshire, England Nephew Luton, Bedfordshire

1871 Shangford Cottage Sellack HER
Nathaniel Hillman 67 Mason Landowner
Olive Beard 62
Louis McKey 10
Donald McKey 9
Walter McKey 8

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1841 Census, Rodborough

HILLMAN

Nathe - 60 - Independent means - born in County
Ann - 60 - not born in County
Anna - 35
Nathe (Jnr) - 35
Sarah - 30
Mary - 25

(marriage given in previous reply - 20 April 1801 - Rodborough, Nathaniel HILLMAN, Anna HEATH)

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Looking at Public Members Tree

George BEARD married Olive WILLIAMS - 4 November 1832, Bristol

1841 Census, Ruardean Hill

BEARD

Geoe - 40
Olive - 30 (nee WILLIAMS)
Louisa - 4
Mary - 2

George BEARD was Nathaniel HILLMAN's brother-in-law -

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Thanks I've now seen that marriage, unfortunately we were both writing and enlarging our posts at the same time...

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Thanks for your help. I am interested in the children of two Nathaniel Hillmans who were stonemasons;
1) Nathaniel, a journeyman stonemason (b. 21 Jan. 1776, Miserden) who married Sarah Padfield (c. 17 Aug. 1783, Kilmersdon, Somerset) on 06 Sep. 1801 at the Church of St Peter and Paul in Kilmersdon. The groom’s occupation was registered as a sojourner from the parish of Miserden. I though that Nathaniel and Sarah had five children; Hester (b. 25 Dec. 1803), Isaac (b. 1806), Sarah (b. 02 Apr. 1809), Mary Ann (b. 1814) and Thomas (b. 1820).

You kindly provided the following important information, from the Gloucestershire Baptism Index CD - baptisms after 1813, about Nathaniel and Sarah’s children born in Catswood;
i. Mary Ann, bap. 15 May 1814 - 1m.
ii. Helah, bap 09 Feb. 1817 - 1 m.
iii. Thomas, bap. 27 Feb.1820.
iv. Nathaniel, bap.16 Feb. 1823.
v. Nathaniel, bap. 20 Mar. 1825.

I have records that note the deaths, as babies, of the two children named Nathaniel;
i. Nathaniel Hilman, b.1823, date of burial 21 Sep 1824, place of burial Bisley All Saints.
ii. Nathaniel Hillman b.1825, date of burial 02 Aug. 1825, place of burial Bisley All Saints.

I WOULD LIKE TO FIND ANY RECORDS OF BIRTHS OF NATHANIEL AND SARAH’S CHILDREN BETWEEN 1801 AND 1813.
DID THEY MOVE BACK TO THE MISERDEN AREA AFTER THEIR MARRIAGE IN 1801?

2) Nathaniel Hillman (c.15 Apr, 1805, Bisley, f. Thos.) who as a bachelor of the Hundred of St Briavels, on 20 May 1823
married Priscilla Williams (c. 15 Aug 1802, Ruardean, Gloucester) a spinster of St Briavels in the Parish Chapel, Newland.

As Nathaniel was a sojourning foreman mason who specialised in railway infrastructure he continually moved around Wales
and England. I have details about the following children;
i. Elizabeth, b. 1831, Liverpool, Lancashire.
ii. Louisa, b.1835, Weaverham, Cheshire
iii. John, 1837, Penmon, Anglesey
iv. Ann, bap. 19 Oct.1839, St Botolph’s Church Newbold on Avon, Warwickshire; d. 25 Oct.1839 prior to burial in St. Botolph’s Church.
v. Mary Ann, c. 12 Jun. 1842, Reigate, Surrey.

I WOULD LIKE TO FIND ANY RECORDS OF BIRTHS OF NATHANIEL AND PRISCILLA’S CHILDREN BETWEEN 1824 AND 1831.
DID NATHANIEL HAVE A SON NAMED THOMAS WHO WAS BORN IN ‘FOREST’.

Thanks for any help. Nigel BOSWORTH

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Hi Nigel,
thanks for clarifying things, looks like you had quite a time searching out your travelling Nathaniels !, but what an interesting lifetime.

Must admit my straight answer is "No, there was no Thomas born in the Forest".
However clearly you have reason to believe otherwise and I have no reason to doubt you. It would though, I think, help if you could please clarify what your source is for this belief ?. Is is a Census record, or ??

Many thanks, Jeff.

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Gloucestershire Burial Index CD

HILLMAN - Handy - age 11m : 1 February 1824, address: Chalford

HILLMAN - Mary Anne - age 1 : 25 February 1813, address: Catswood

HILLMAN - Nathaniel - age 5m : 2 August 1825, address, Catswood

HILLMAN - Thomas - age 82 : 22 February 1831, address Chalford

HILMAN - Nathaniel - age 1 : 21 September 1824, address, Catswood

HILLMAN - Nathaniel - age 76 - of Miserdine - 25 June 1851, Glos. St James 1843-1851

1851 Census, Glos. Miserden

Ancestry : HOLLMAN (transcribed as)

The Nap

Nathl - 75 - Stone Mason, born Glos. Miserdine
Sarah - 72 - born Kilmisdn? Somerset

and 1841 census for Glos. Miserden

Ancestry: WILLMAN (transcribed as)

Nathl - 65 Stone Mason - born in County
Sarah - 60 - not born in County

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Gloucestershire CD - Marriage pre 1800

HILLMAN Anthony - married at Glos. S Michael - FURNELL Jane - 12 November 1782
HILLMAN James - married at Bisley - COATES Jane (Widow) - 29 July 1764
HILLMAN James - married at Saul - WINMILL Elizabeth - 29 December 1797
HILLMAN Nathaniel of Rodborough at Wotton-U-Edge - SOMERS Sarah - Lic. 20 Jan 1772
HILLMAN Thomas - married at Miserden - DOWELL Ann - 2 Aug 1768
HILLMAN Thomas - of Minchinhampton married at Bisley - WEBB Sarah - Lic. - 17 Sept 1782

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Gloucestershire Marriage Index CD ( son of Nathaniel - see 1861 census)

There is an Isaac HILLMAN married Caroline MEEK at Miserden - 2 September 1833

Gloucestershire Baptism Index CD

Children of Isaac (occupation: Mason) & Caroline HILLMAN

Arabina HILLMAN - 21 September 1834, residence: Charlton Regis, christened at Charlton Kings

Arabella HILLMAN - 11 September 1835, residence: Glos. St Nicholas, christened at Bisley All Saints

Nathanael HILLMAN - 9 July 1837 - residence: Barton St Mary, christened at Glos. St Mary de Lobe

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and 1841 Census, St Mary de Lobe

HILLMAN

Isaac - 35 - Mason - all born in County
Caroline - 31
Mabina - 5
Nathaniel - 4
Lyoy S - 2
Caroline - 8 months

1851 Census, Glos. Barton St Mary
Church Street

HILLMAN

Isaac - 44 - Stone Mason, born Bisley
Arabina - 15
Nathaniel - 12
Lucy Susanna - 11
Culver - 9
Ruebin - 8
Naomi - 6

1861 Census, Glos Barton St Mary

HILLMAN

Isaac - 55 - born Bisley
Mary Ann - - 48 - born Glos
Sarah HILLMAN - mother - 81 - born Coberley, Somerset

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Church of Latter Day Saints - christenings at Bisley

Hester HILLMAN - 25 December 1803 - father Nathl
Isaac HILLMAN - 1806 - father Nathaniel
Mary Ann HILLMAN - 1812 - father Nathaniel

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Marriage at Miserden - 3 March 1835

Mary Ann HILLMAN + John WATTS

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Gloucestershirebdm

WATTS - mother's maiden name HILLMAN

Oliver - 1840, Stroud, Painswick
Thomas - 1841, Stroud, Painswick (?1881 Census, Beds, Dunstable, Vagrant Ward, King Street, Thomas WATTS age 40 unmarried, Ag. Lab. born Stroud + 1911 Census, Holmbrook, Brougthon Gifford, Wiltshire - Thomas WATTS age 69, married 45 years - Mason's labourer, born Painswick, Glos.

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1841 Census, Glos Painswick
Longridg

John WATTS - 25 - W M - not born in County
Mary WATTS - 25 - born in County
Alfred WATTS - 5
Oliver WATTS - 1

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Revisiting parents Nathaniel & Priscilla, as we know from FoD PRs:

Record_ID: 36037
Entry_Number: 415
Year: 1823
Month: May
Day: 20
Grooms_Surname: HILLMAN
Grooms_Forenames: Nathaniel
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: WILLIAMS
Brides_Forenames: Priscilla
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: John Hillman
Witness_2: Eunice Williams
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: H. Douglas Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 139
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: H455
Soundex_Bride: W452

Is there anything to be found from tracing Witness John Hillman, I haven't seen him mentioned thusfar ? Was he a visitor, perhaps from Bisley, or was he living here ?.

Searching the FoD PRs I suggest this is perhaps him:

Record_ID: 35824
Entry_Number: 202
Year: 1818
Month: Mar
Day: 22
Grooms_Surname: HILMAN
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: FROWEN
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: James Frowen
Witness_2: Sarah Clifford
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: S.F.Morgan Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 68
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: H455
Soundex_Bride: F650

Is this him ?

Record_ID: 31096
Entry_Number: 780
Year: 1858
Month: Mar
Day: 26
Surname: HILLMAN
Forenames: John
Residence: Staunton Lane
Age_at_death: 66
Officiating_Minister: John Hawksley Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page_No: 98
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: H455

So born abt 1792, so aged abt 26 at time of above marriage.
Could these be his parents ???

Record_ID: 61699
Entry_Number: 321
Year: 1788
Month: Dec
Day: 30
Grooms_Surname: HILLMAN
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: WILLIAMS
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Thos Bond
Witness_2: Mark of Wm Williams
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: P Ball vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 638
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: H455
Soundex_Bride: W452

Williams...as was Priscilla and witness Eunice at her wedding ??.

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Another local John Hillman, born abt 1824, and like Nathaniel a mason ???

Record_ID: 62408
Entry_Number: 1207
Year: 1892
Month: Jul
Day: 28
Surname: HILLMAN
Forenames: John
Residence: Mason
Age_at_death: 68
Officiating_Minister: J J D Cooke
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Crossways near Coleford (2) South Div: Adult Gr. (3) J 23 (4) Consecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25/204/2
Page_No: 61
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery
Soundex: H455

I wonder if this is his Baptism ?
Record_ID: 358078
Entry_Number: 132b
Year: 1816
Month: Jan
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: HILLMAN
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname: WHITTINGTON
Residence: [not stated]
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: T. D. Fosbrooke Min[iste]r
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: natural son of by putative father
Notes: May also be known as Whittington
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 17
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
Soundex: H455

Once again I've advance-searched FoD PRs for all baptisms to Nat Hillman searching all various spellings, none found. Repeated for John Hillman to find:

358078 1816 HILLMAN John, John & Elizabeth WHITTINGTON, [not stated] [not stated] Ruardean
78472 1822 HILLMAN Temperance, John & Sarah, Staunton, Mason, Staunton

Not sure how these are relevant, but they look related to me:
8702 1818 ILLMAN Eliza, John & Sarah, Coleford, Mason, Coleford
8876 1823 ILLMAN John, John & Sarah, Col[e]ford, Mason, Coleford
8982 1826 ILLMAN Sarah, John & Sarah, Col[e]ford, Mason, Coleford

(NB there are only four Illman/Illmen PRs in the FoD Database. Given the Forest dialect I'm shocked I didn't search these earlier, although Soundex was equally careless!).

There are other later Hillman(f.John) baptisms but they're all related to Tin workers from Lydney area so I don't think relevant.

???

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Other witness at Priscilla Williams' wedding is Eunice Williams, presumably related to bride Priscilla.

From FoD PRs:

Record_ID: 16535
Entry_Number: 832
Year: 1826
Month: Feb
Day: 5
Grooms_Surname: MATHEWS
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: [not stated]
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: WILLIAMS
Brides_Forenames: Eunice
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: [not stated]
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: Joseph Williams
Witness_2: Elizabeth Williams
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry Berkin Off[iciatin]g Minister
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: he signed Matthews
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 19
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
Soundex_Groom: M320
Soundex_Bride: W452

No Priscilla as witness, presumably as they've moved away by now ?.

Their daughter perhaps ?:
Record_ID: 14145
Entry_Number: 1599
Year: 1839
Month: Oct
Day: 13
Parents_Surname: MATHEWS
Child_Forenames: Eunice Louisa
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Eunice
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean Hill
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: H. Berkin
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 200
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: M320

Also:
Record ID 13667
Entry Number 1121
Year 1834
Month Aug
Day 17
Parents Surname MATHEWS
Child Forenames William
Fathers Forenames William
Mothers Forenames Eunice
Mothers Surname
Residence Over Drybrook
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister H. Berkin
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P109 IN 1/1
Page Number 141
Parish Chapel Drybrook

Record ID 13848
Entry Number 1302
Year 1836
Month Nov
Day 13
Parents Surname MATHEWS
Child Forenames James
Fathers Forenames William
Mothers Forenames Eunice
Mothers Surname
Residence Over Drybrook
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister H. Berkin
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P109 IN 1/1
Page Number 163
Parish Chapel Drybrook

Our Priscilla, a popular Williams name:

Record_ID: 56001
Entry_Number:
Year: 1802
Month: Aug
Day: 15
Parents_Surname: WILLIAMS
Child_Forenames: Priscilla
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Betty
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: J H BEESTON - minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 43
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
Soundex: W452

Also see:
55706 1795 WILLIAMS Ann, George & Betty, Ruardean
55819 1798 WILLIAMS Elizabeth, George & Betty, Ruardean
55913 1800 WILLIAMS George, George & Betty, Ruardean
56001 1802 WILLIAMS Priscilla, George & Betty, Ruardean
56096 1804 WILLIAMS Uniss, George & Betty, Ruardean
56208 1806 WILLIAMS Olive, George & Elizabeth, Ruardean
56293 1808 WILLIAMS Elizabeth, George & Betty, Ruardean
56491 1813 WILLIAMS Joseph, George & Elizabeth, Moors in Ruardean, Quarryman Ruardean

So witness Uniss/Eunice is indeed Priscilla's sister.

There are later Baptisms fathered by one or more George Williams described as "stone cutter" & "quarryman" in the Coleford and Drybrook(ie Ruardean) areas, perhaps related to Nathaniel's masonry business or even his family ?

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Revisiting parents Nathaniel & Priscilla, as we know from FoD PRs:

Record_ID: 36037
Entry_Number: 415
Year: 1823
Month: May
Day: 20
Grooms_Surname: HILLMAN
Grooms_Forenames: Nathaniel
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: WILLIAMS
Brides_Forenames: Priscilla
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: John Hillman
Witness_2: Eunice Williams
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: H. Douglas Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 139
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: H455
Soundex_Bride: W452

Is there anything to be found from tracing Witness John Hillman, I haven't seen him mentioned thusfar ? Was he a visitor, perhaps from Bisley, or was he living here ?.

Searching the FoD PRs I suggest this is perhaps him:

Record_ID: 35824
Entry_Number: 202
Year: 1818
Month: Mar
Day: 22
Grooms_Surname: HILMAN
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: FROWEN
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: James Frowen
Witness_2: Sarah Clifford
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: S.F.Morgan Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 68
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: H455
Soundex_Bride: F650

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as transcribed Ancestry

Year: 1818
Month: Mar
Day: 22
Grooms_Surname: HILMAN
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: FROWEN
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: James Frowen
Witness_2: Sarah Clifford
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: S.F.Morgan Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 68
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Year: 1822
Month: Jan
Day: 13
Parents_Surname: HILLMAN
Child_Forenames: Temperance
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Staunton
Occupation: Mason
Officiating_Minister: T K Mallet Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Dec 21st 1821; Daug
Notes:
Register_Reference: P310 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 14
Parish_Chapel: Staunton

1841
John Deckman abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Sarah Deckman abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Eliza Deckman abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Deckman abt 1822 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Temperance Deckman abt 1824 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
John Deckman abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire

1851
Jon Illman abt 1794 Lidwell, {LIDBROOK} Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire Mason
Arah Illman abt 1796 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Temperance Illman abt 1822 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
John Illman abt 1824 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Sarah Illman abt 1826 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Emma Illman abt 1844 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Alford abt 1845 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Newland, Gloucestershire

1861
John Hilman abt 1824 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Sarah Hilman abt 1796 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Mother Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire

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Goodness S, that was fast work !

Welldone, looks like you've solved the main problem, we just need to search out Thomas DECKMAN not Hillman !! ;-)

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Joking aside, I don't have full access from home, but using Ancestry's search feature gives the following "possible", unfortunately LDS doesn't carry this Census so I cannot offer further detail.

1851 Wales Census;

Thomas HILLMAN aged 30 so born about 1821,
Residing Abergavenny District, MONMOUTHSHIRE.

There are only six other Hillmans listed in this census and I don't think any are in the same household.

So no distance from the Forest and perhaps within our family's travels. ??

Please can someone take a look and glean further details, following link may help find it, many thanks.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1851wales&so=2&pcat=CEN_1850...

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Joking aside, I don't have full access from home, but using Ancestry's search feature gives the following "possible", unfortunately LDS doesn't carry this Census so I cannot offer further detail.

1851 Wales Census;

Thomas HILLMAN aged 30 so born about 1821,
Residing Abergavenny District, MONMOUTHSHIRE.

There are only six other Hillmans listed in this census and I don't think any are in the same household.

So no distance from the Forest and perhaps within our family's travels. ??

Please can someone take a look and glean further details, following link may help find it, many thanks.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1851wales&so=2&pcat=CEN_1850...

Looks like he is from Bristol, one I had eliminated earlier, but now looking at his future wife Louisa I find a second Thomas, the missing Thomas from Forest !

Thomas from Forest 1820 - 1869 ?

1841 Gilbach
Thomas Hillman abt 1816 Llanhileth, Monmouthshire Collier ???
Hanna Hillman abt 1801 Llanhileth, Monmouthshire

Name: Thomas Hillman & Louisa Noble
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1845
Registration district: Abergavenny
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 26
Page Number: 5

1851 Bedwellty
Thos Hillman 31 Forest Gloucestershire
Louisa Hillman 25 Somerset
Thos Hillman 5
Mary Ann Hillman 2

1861 should be in Bedwellty Ebbw Vale area?

Name: Thomas Hilman ???
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1869
Age at Death: 50
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 222

1871 Aberystruth / Ebbw Vale
Louisa Hillman 45 Widow Frome Somerset
Nathaniel Hillman 18 Rhymney
John Hillman 16 Rhymney
William Hillman 12 Ebbw Vale
Sarah Jane Hillman 5 Ebbw Vale

1881
Nathaniel Hillman abt 1852 Rhymney, Monmouth, Wales Head Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Ann Hillman abt 1851 Ebbw Vale, Monmouth, Wales Wife Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Lousia Hillman Nantyglo, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

Thomas from Bristol/Somerset 1820 - 1891 ?

1851
Thomas Hillman abt 1821 Somerset, England Lodger Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

1861
Thomas Hillman abt 1820 Somerset, England Head Llanfabon, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Hillman abt 1824 Carmarthenshire, Wales Wife Llanfabon, Glamorgan

1871
Thomas Hillman abt 1820 St James, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

1881
Thomas Hillman abt 1819 Gloucestershire, England Head Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Louisa Hillman abt 1826 Froome, Somerset, England Wife Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Sarah Jane Hillman abt 1866 Ebbw Vale, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
John Noble abt 1821 Froome, Somerset, England Relative (Other Relative) Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

1891
Thomas Hillman abt 1820 Gloucestershire, England Head Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Louisa Hillman abt 1825 Somerset, England Wife Aberystruth, Monmouthshire
Sarah Jane Hillman abt 1866 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Aberystruth, Monmouthshire

Name: Thomas Hillman ???
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1891
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Bedwellty
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 67

1901
Louisa Hildman abt 1831 Monmouthshire, Wales Head Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire
Sarah J Hillman abt 1866 Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire

Name: Louisa Hillman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1906
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Bedwellty
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 48

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Yes, we found him in the end, another good team effort, well done one & all.
Like you I saw him amongst the LDS hits but I was thrown by the "St James" which I mistakenly assumed took to be another Bristol Parish (as are so often seen on LDS searches in Glostershire), seems you thought so too ?. More good learning for me !.

I think I'm right believing Ancestry have only recently added the 1851 Census to their database, a year or so ago they wern't showing it at all as far as I recall, certainly LDS still don't; hence I bought the 1851 Glos Census on cd.
As a FH newcomer this omission seemed a little odd given that Ancestry had the 1841 & 1861; is there any particular reason they didnt have the 1851 before, please ?.

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Revisiting LDS, some of these I saw before, but as you say it's easier knowing of Louisa, especially when using the one-dimensional LDS so not seeing whole households.

Why is Louisa a WIDOWER in your 1871 Census, is this an error or perhaps a deliberate fib, and if so why ??

Here's their Marriage date:

Wales, Monmouthshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912
Name: Thomas Hillman
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 May 1845
Event Place: Aberystruth, Monmouthshire, Wales
Age:
Birth Year (Estimated):
Spouse's Name: Louisa Noble
GS Film number: 2414902
Digital Folder Number: 004394435

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Is this our Thomas in 1861, probably not ?

Name: Thomas Hillman
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 41
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Somersetshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-District: 1 Gelligaer
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Parish: Samabon
Residence County: Glamorganshire

So born 1820, but where/what is "Samabon", I can't find it ?

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Here's a little more detail re the 1871 Census:

Name: Louisa Hillman
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 45
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Birthplace: Frome, Somerset
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Bedwellty
Sub-District: Aberystruth
Parish: Aberystruth
County: Monmouthshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self Louisa Hillman F 45 Frome, Somerset
Son Nathaniel Hillman M 18 Rhymney, Monmouthshire
Son John Hillman M 16 Rhymney, Monmouthshire
Son William Hillman M 12 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire
Daughter Sarah Jane Hillman F 5 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire

Name: Thomas Hillman
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 50
Relationship to Head of Household: Boarder
Birthplace: St James, Gloucestershire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Bedwellty
Sub-District: Aberystruth
Parish: Aberystruth
County: Monmouthshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self Aaron Challinger M 37 Radstock, Somerset
Wife Ann Challinger F 28 Risca, Monmouthshire
Son John Geo Challinger M 5 Aberystwyth, Monmouthshire
Brother Frederic Challinger M 18 Norton, Somerset
Nephew George Profitt M 18 Camerton, Somerset
Boarder Thomas Hillman M 50 St James, Gloucestershire

I have finally found what I assume is this "St James", namely in Bream so definitely within the "Forest" !!
http://www.breamvillage.co.uk/3.html

(Memo to self: don't ignore ANY possible clue as I did this one, sorry guys!)

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And from the 1881 Census:

Name: Thomas Hillman
Age (Original): 62
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1819
Birthplace: Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Collier
Address: Pantysof Cottages
Event Place: Aberystruth, Monmouthshire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1342261
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 5239 / 37
Page Number: 46
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Thomas Hillman M 62 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Wife Louisa Hillman F 55 Froome, Somerset, England
Daughter Sarah Jane Hillman F 15 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, England
Relative John Noble M 60 Froome, Somerset, England
Boarder David Jones M 54 Wales
Boarder Alfred Redwood M 27 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, England

Nearby is their eldest, Thomas, born abt 1846 with family:

Name: Thomas Hillman
Age (Original): 36
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1845
Birthplace: Brynmawr, Brecknockshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Collier
Address: Pantysof Cottages
Event Place: Aberystruth, Monmouthshire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1342261
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 5239 / 37
Page Number: 46
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Thomas Hillman M 36 Brynmawr, Brecknockshire, England
Wife Elizabeth Hillman F 36 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, England
Son Thomas Hillman M 11 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, England
Son Nathaniel Hillman M 7 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, England

Was this him in earlier census's ?
Name: Thomas Hillman
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 17
Relationship to Head of Household: Boarder
Birthplace: Clutton, Somerset
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Crickhowell
Sub-District: 3 Llangattock
Ecclesiastical Parish: Beaufort
Parish: Llangattock
Residence County: Brecknockshire

Name: Thomas Hillman
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Relationship to Head of Household: Lodger
Birthplace: Newport, Monmouthshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Wheatenhurst
Sub-District: Frampton
Parish: Frampton On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self Ann Longney F 57 Framilode, Gloucestershire
Lodger Thomas Hillman M 28 Newport, Monmouthshire
Daughter Mary J Longney F 21 Framilode, Gloucestershire

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Given the 1820 birth and the rather unusual(?) related occupation, I wondered if this was our Thomas but fallen on hard times, but obviously not, interesting though.

England and Wales Census, 1881
Name: Thomas Hillman
Age (Original): 61
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1820
Birthplace: Westbury, Wiltshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Inmate
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Brickmaker Paupers
Address: Westbury & Whorwells Down Union Workhouse
Event Place: Westbury, Wiltshire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341495
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 2054 / 97
Page Number: 2
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Inmate Barnet Miles M 70 Westbury, Wiltshire, England
Inmate John Lush M 50 Westbury, Wiltshire, England
Inmate Thomas Hillman M 61 Westbury, Wiltshire, England
etc etc

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Anyhow, back to our "Forest" Thomas Hillman and family, I also found this LDS hit, given the familiar names this interesting find looks relevant.

"Kentucky, Death Records, 1911-1955"
Name: William Hillman
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 1912
Event Place: Pulaski, Kentucky
Residence Place:
Address:
Gender: Male
Age:
Marital Status:
Race:
Occupation:
Birth Year (Estimated):
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Cemetery:
Father's Name: Thomas Hillman
Father's Titles and Terms:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name: Louise Noble
Mother's Titles and Terms:
Mother's Birthplace:
Additional Relatives:
Spouse's Name:
Spouse's Titles and Terms:
Reference ID: 8428
GS Film number: 1904683

So William dies aged abt 52yrs. Natural causes or perhaps more likely an accident at work ?

working back,

United States Census, 1880
Name: Wm. Hillman
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1880
Event Place: Knightsville, Clay, Indiana, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 18
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Miner
Race (Original):
Ethnicity: American
Relationship to Head of Household: Other
Birthplace: Wales
Birth Date: 1862
Spouse's Name:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace: England
Page: 348
Page Letter: D
Entry Number: 3056
Affiliate Film Number: T9-0269
GS Film number: 1254269
Digital Folder Number: 004240577
Image Number: 00703
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self Morgan Powell M 31 Wales
Wife Ruth Powell F 18 England
Son Thomas Powell M 7 Indiana, United States
Other John Hillman M 20 Wales
Other Wm. Hillman M 18 Wales

So looks like both brothers emigrated to the US after the 1871 England & Wales Census.

LDS carries other records of Thos/Nathaniel/Louisa Hillmans in Ontario etc which may warrant followingup, was the St Laurence River the route they took into the USA ? ..

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Out of interest regarding one of your questions, Thomas Hillman was living in Llanfabon (often incorrectly spelled Lanvabon or Llanvabon) in the 1861 census, now part of the Borough of Caerphilly. MH.

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