Rawlins Haddock sent to gaol in 1817 for rioting at Merthyr (General)
by JeremyWilshere 
, Tuesday, May 07, 2013, 18:55 (4213 days ago)
But how old is he?
Age 22 or 53 ?
ie
is he a Forest of Dean person or not ;-)
The Hereford Journal has a Rawlins Haddock in the dock in Cardiff 1817 (*).
(1)
Could this be the same Rawlins Haddock who died @Lydbrook/ English Bicknor in 1838 **?
Age @death 74 -> DoB = 1764
After all, Merthyr and the Forest of Dean are only about 40 miles apart.
(2)
If (1) matches, he would be about 53 in 1817.
53 would be very much above the average life expectancy related by the recent BBC Welsh Towns documentary about Merthyr Tydfil (17.5 in 1820/ 1830's).
In the same doc, Eddie Butler only mentions the Merthyr Rising of 1831, not the Riot of 1816.
(3)
Age of the prisoner in Cardiff?
Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru (National Library of Wales apparently) has a **Rawlings** Haddock, aged 22.
A different spelling from the Hereford Journal for what must be the same individual.
Age 22 in 1816 gives an approximate DoB = 1794. 30 years younger than the previous one...
I searched this forum for Thread "Haddock" but I quickly went cross-eyed. I apologize if identifying the prisoner has already been solved..... Though thinking out aloud in this way might hopefully save others from falling into the same trap.
On balance it looks as if there must be 2 individuals with the same unusual name.
Could they be related?
Mmmm...
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Hereford Journal - Wednesday 16 April 1817
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At Cardiff the Great Sessions terminated on Monday ?night, there were 20 prisoners for trial of whom 7 were convicted, viz
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Rawlins Haddock, for rioting at Merthyr Tydfil, to be imprisoned twelve months
Thomas Gwillaim, David Davis, and William Llewellin, for the same offence, the former six months, and the two latter three months' imprisonment;
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Retrieved from
http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk
or
under section headed:
British Newspapers 1710-1963
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Retrieved from
Parish Records Search
[inlinecode]Record_ID: 16018
Entry_Number: 1838
Year: 1828
Month: Jul
Day: 1
Surname: HADDOCK
Forenames: Rawlins
Residence: Lidbrook
Age_at_death: 74
Officiating_Minister: T Marwood Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: from 1813
Page_No: 40
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor
Soundex: H320
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Rawlins Haddock sent to gaol in 1817 for rioting at Merthyr
by JeremyWilshere , Thursday, May 09, 2013, 22:03 (4211 days ago) @ JeremyWilshere
Another little tidbit mentioned in the same BBC doc was this:
Admiral Lord Nelson visited Merthyr Tydfil in 1802 "to oversee the production of cannons for his flagship HMS Victory".
Elsewhere on this very fine forum and in the Parish Records Search, we have a Nelson Haddock:
- Married at English Bicknor 1843 with father Rawlings HADDOCK.
- Later on a Horatio Nelson Haddock is buried at Lydney in 1890. Age at death 78 gives approximate DoB = 1812
This has been discussed before on this forum.
However one could speculate that the above might in some way further bind Forest of Dean Haddocks to any Merthyr Tydfil Haddocks (or was he an Aberavon (Welsh: Aberafan) Haddock? (this from an Ancestry 'Hint' with Aberafon, no source)). Even if choosing the specific forenames of the FoD Haddock was only some form of vicarious appreciation.
On the other hand, slowhands points out that Nelson (the Admiral) visited the Forest in 1802 as well. Also here. Probably part of the same trip. Which does rather invalidate my point.
Of course, Admiral Nelson was a famous name in those times already. Rather like the celebrities of today (not!).
[Disclosure] I may be grasping at straws but I am trying to make sure we get the right father to my 3*g grand-mother, Sarah Haddock :-) I am still quite inexperienced at research behind the 1800 line and my hunch is caution may be in order. There are clearly plenty more of her descendants on this forum and they just might share the same concern :-)
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[code]Record_ID: 64596
Entry_Number: 28
Year: 1843
Month: Jul
Day: 15
Grooms_Surname: HADDOCK
Grooms_Forenames: Nelson
Grooms_Age: of full age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Lydbrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: HADDOCK
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Rawlings
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
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Sarah Haddock
Birth 4 May 1808 in Whitchurch, Herefordshire, England
Death 13 Apr 1888 in Lydney, Gloucestershire, England
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Rawlins HADDOCK - South Wales Strike of 1816
by m p griffiths , Friday, May 10, 2013, 11:44 (4210 days ago) @ JeremyWilshere
Quite a few links re my HADDOCK/JARRETT line on this forum inc.
www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=18763
Mike Haydock's website
However, if you google - Rawlins Haddock 1816
Morgannwg - Welsh Journals on line - you will find Rawlings was aged 22 (c1794)
http://www.welshjournals.llgc.org.uk
'At once the Riot Act was read to them and they were warned that they would be fired upon, but they stood firm. Annoyed by the language of the mob, the magistrates ordered the cavalry to charge, using their bayonets and the flat side of their swords. The workmen, armed with only a few sticks and clubs, were no match for the soldiers, and after some thirty of them had been seized, the rest dispersed quietly. By evening the town of Merthyr Tydfil was peaceful, the climax of the disturbances had passed without bloodshed.54
On Sunday three of the ringleaders, Rawlins Haddock(s), a twenty-two year old labourer, and Thomas JONES and Steven JARRETT, aged 44 and 36 respectively, were escorted to the county gaol by the Cardiff cavalry. Three other men and two women were also later committed for trial.55 Parts of the ironworks in the area now began to operate again, although most minders were still determined not to work at the reduced wages. Benjamin HALL feared that the longer the men stayed out, the more desperate they would become. The depot of some 30,000 or 40,000 arms at Brecon had been threatened by the rioters, and on Sunday night a detachment of the 55th regiment arrived there.56 On Sunday night too, scouts were sent from Merthyr into the hills to investigate a report that disturbances were expected in Monmouthshire the following day.
On Monday morning the scouts returned with the message that the colliers in that county were going to assemble in a large body. The Swansea cavalry immediately left Merthyr for the purpose of stopping this meeting. Meanwhile, several hundred Blaenavon workmen, who were expecting help from Merthyr, 84 There are varying accounts of what actually happened once the Riot Act had been read. I have relied heavily on H.O. 40/3. Copy of a letter from Mrs HILL, 20 October 1816. But see also, the Cambrian, 26 October 1816. Wilkins, op. cit., p. 271 H.O.42/154.
65 The Merthyr magistrates believed HADDOCKS to be "the worst case", H.O. 42/154. Letter from B HALL, 31 October 1816. See also The Cambrian, 26 October and 2 November 1816. N.L.W. Great Sessions Records, Glamorgan 1817, Goal Files, Wales 4/635-1; H.O. 40/3 and other letters in H.O. 42/154.
N H.O. 42/154 The Cambrian, 26 October 1816
Rawlins HADDOCK - South Wales Strike of 1816
by Roger Griffiths , Friday, May 10, 2013, 22:21 (4210 days ago) @ m p griffiths
This subject got me interested in what South Wales looked like in 18th and early 19th Centuries. Hit the jackpot straight away. There must be many more.
thomasgenweb.com/industrial_art.html.
8th illustration down shows the Merthyr Riots of 1816 by Penry Williams.
Roger
Rawlins HADDOCK - South Wales Strike of 1816
by barbaralavender , Wednesday, June 26, 2013, 21:45 (4163 days ago) @ Roger Griffiths
I think the Rawlings Haddock referred to here was born in 1795 at Cadoxton, near Neath, Glamorgan. He was the son of Marshall Haddock and Sarah Richards. Marshall and Sarah lived in Merthyr Tydfil later on. Marshall was the brother of Rawlings Haddock born in 1754 at Aberavon, Swansea, who later married Elizabeth Williams.
B. Lavender