David J SMITH born Pembroke abt 1808 (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 23:05 (4204 days ago) @ m p griffiths

That's excellent work M !

Searching John's father "David J Smith born Pembroke aged 46" according to the 1851 Newland Census:

From LDS, these seem a very good fit for that David, but Sarah not Hannah ?

"England and Wales Census, 1881"

Name: David J Smith
Age (Original): 74
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1807
Birthplace: Wales
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Ex Assistant Overseer
Address: ?
Event Place: West Dean (Gloucs), Monmouthshire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1342259
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 5225 / 25
Page Number: 15
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head David J Smith M 74 Wales
Wife Sarah Smith F 63 Churchill, Gloucestershire, England

"England and Wales Census, 1871"
Name: David Jones Smith
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 63
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Birthplace: South Wales, Pembrokeshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub-District: Coleford
Parish: West Dean
County: Monmouthshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self David Jones Smith M 63 South Wales, Pembrokeshire
Wife Sarah Smith F 54 Churchhill, Sumersetshire

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"England and Wales Census, 1861"
Name: David Smith
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 53
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub-District: 1 Coleford
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Parish: Newland
Residence County: Monmouthshire

Name: Hannah Smith
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Female
Age: 57
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Birthplace: Coleford, Gloucestershire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub-District: 1 Coleford
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Parish: Newland
Residence County: Monmouthshire

FOR 1861 LDS ONLY GIVES ME INDIVIDUALS NOT HOUSEHOLDS, I CANNOT BE CERTAIN IF OR HOW THEY ARE RELATED, BUT LOOKS POSSIBLE
??

The previous post shows David J Smith's spouse is Hannah in 1841 & 1851, and perhaps 1861 to it seems, but after that ???...
Could this be her, not a rare name but correct age and locality from this site's PRs ?

Record_ID: 60384
Entry_Number: 173
Year: 1861
Month: Jul
Day: 16
Surname: SMITH
Forenames: Hannah
Residence: Coleford
Age_at_death: 57 years
Officiating_Minister: [not stated]
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [not sta
Memoranda: date of death 12 Jul 1861 at Coleford
Notes:
Register_Reference: 9
Page_No: 272214
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Baptist
Soundex: S530

Suggesting her birth abt 1804, as per 1841 & 1851 Census. ??

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So allowing,

From FreeBMD:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Jun 1862 (>99%)
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Badman Sarah Monmouth 11a 65
Jordan Emma Monmouth 11a 65
Smith David Jones Monmouth 11a 65
Waters William Henry Monmouth 11a 65

Ditto GlosBMD:

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
SMITH David Jones BADMAN Sarah Forest of Dean Monmouth Register Office 1862 7 13

And hence they're together in the 1871 & 1881 Census's shown above.

In fact they may well have been "together" in the 1861 Census too !

"England and Wales Census, 1861"
Name: Sarah Bednam
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Female
Age: 46
Relationship to Head of Household: Visitor
Birthplace: Churchill, Somersetshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub-District: 1 Coleford
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Parish: Newland Coleford
Residence County: Monmouthshire

As can be seen Sarah's quoted age varies thro the Census's, LDS gives a few possibles for her Somerset birth. Churchill is North Somerset near Weston Super Mud, so I prefer this:

"England and Wales Census, 1841"
Name: Sarah Badman
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Gender: Female
Age: 22
Birthplace: Somerset
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Axbridge
Sub-District: Banwell & Weston
Parish: Worle
County: Somersetshire

Giving

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: Sarah Ann Badman
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 15 Jun 1817
Christening Place: Week-St. Lawrence, Somerset, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Badman
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Prudence
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03152-1
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1526792
Reference ID: item 6 p 7

http://www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/england/Somerset/towns/WickStLawrence.html

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Asa...

It may be coincidence but historically this part of Somerset has many Romany/Gipsy links, cannot find a link so maybe "old", but I found this via a few travel guides;

Wheelwrights Working Museum and Gypsy Folklore Collection
Webbington Loxton, Nr. Axbridge
Somerset BS26 2HX, ENGLAND

Only a few years later travelling from Monmouth/Coleford area to North Somerset became far easier & quicker via the Severn Railway Bridge.

Hope this helps, clearly these people need more thorough tracing thro' the Census's (which I can't do) to prove or disprove the possible lines, especially given that Sarah & Hannah Smith are not rare Forest names.

J