Meaning of "sentence" wrt Wills, Probate etc, mid C17th ? (General)

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Friday, August 09, 2013, 01:22 (4119 days ago)

Please can someone enlighten me ? While browsing the National Archives website tonight I searched for "Flaxley" following a recent forum thread.

Here are the various findings, I hope this link still works for others as well as me (I don't know if such links rely on cookies etc now resident in my pc ?).
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res/2?_q=flaxley&_col=2&_srt=4

Of particular interest to me were the following items, purely because I suspected foul play given the use of the word "sentence". However on second thoughts and seeing the social standing of those concerned I now wonder if the word means something entirely different here, perhaps related to Wills ?? :

"Reference:PROB 11/378/4
Description:Sentence of Abraham Clarke, Gentleman of Flaxley, Gloucestershire
Date: 11 February 1684"
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D749291

and

"Reference:PROB 11/176/477
Description:Sentence of James Hawkins, Gentleman of Flaxley, Gloucestershire
Date: 18 April 1638"

At first I wondered what problems had occurred in Flaxley at the time that "gentlemen" would be sentenced, presumably after being found guilty of a crime ?; maybe Civil War related (no my C17th History is NOT good).
However within the TNA findings were both the above men's Wills, so maybe not ??.

"Reference:PROB 11/377/6
Description:Will of Abraham Clark, Gentleman of Flaxley, Gloucestershire
Date: 08 February 1684"
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D750244

"Reference:PROB 11/362/567
Description:Will of James Hawkins of Flaxley, Gloucestershire
Date: 10 May 1680"


My own very basic internet searching wrt this query hasn't helped, so hopefully someone can please clarify the meaning of "sentence" for me, thankyou.

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Re Abraham Clarke, from this sites PRs:

Record_ID: 67559
Entry_Number:
Year: 1669
Month: May
Day: 26
Grooms_Surname: CLARKE
Grooms_Forenames: Abraham
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation: Yeoman
Grooms_Residence:
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: WISEMAN
Brides_Forenames: Ellynor
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence:
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Lord of ye Manor of Flaxley
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 15
Parish_Chapel: Flaxley
Soundex_Groom: C462
Soundex_Bride: W255

Record_ID: 178851
Entry_Number:
Year: 1683
Month: Dec
Day: 20
Surname: CLARK
Forenames: Abraham
Residence:
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister: George Ditton
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: Esq: Died 4th December 1683
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/2
Page_No: 20
Parish_Chapel: Flaxley
Soundex: C462

So clearly NO obvious suggestion of criminal activity by an elderly "Lord of Ye Manor Esq" !
For those with far more than my single year's Latin schooling, here is the relevant Bigland Transcript from his Flaxley Church memorial, presumably "here lies....":

"Hic dormit
ABRAHAMUS CLARK, Armiger.
beatam resurrectionem expectans,
in omni vita modestus ac fobrius,
justitiae et aequitatis cultor eximius,
summa in amicos fide,
veraque in Deum.
Egenorum fautor ac patrenus,
orpanorum pater,
liberalitatem exercere maluit
quam ostentare aliis, munificentiae
testes praetor Deum
aegre admisit.
Satis ei magnum ad virtutem
invitamentum recte factorum
conscientia. Obiit Decem.
4, anno Domini 1683,
aetatis suae 61."

Abraham is briefly mentioned in these histories of Flaxley and the Church, he left £60 to charity in his Will, a considerable amount then I think.
http://www.wosb.org.uk/flaxleychurch.asp
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23256
http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-354086-flaxley-abbey-blaisdon-gloucestershire

On Abraham's death his home at the old Abbey, now Flaxley Manor hall, passed to his first cousin William Boevey. This detailed history of William's wife Catherina makes interesting reading, they both died at Flaxley Hall.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherina_Boevey

This beautiful engraving shows the impressive grandeur of Flaxley in 1712.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flaxley_Abbey_Kip.jpg
The building bears comparison with the modern Hall/Abbey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_grounds_of_Flaxley_Abbey_-_geograph.org.uk_-_2679...

PS: I see Abraham is described as an ARMIGER in his Memorial, rather appropriate given another recent forum enquiry. http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=41801

Meaning of "sentence" wrt Wills, Probate etc, mid C17th ?

by kathg42 @, Friday, August 09, 2013, 02:29 (4119 days ago) @ Jefff

Hello Jeff
I found this in nationalarchives.gov.au re how to find wills:
"Search and download our online wills (1384-1858) which, up until 1800, may have a SENTENCE (judgment) after the probate clause or as a separate entry. If the sentence was registered, you will find a reference to the relevant folio number and the SENTENCE also gives the name of the case"
Hope that leads you up the right path.
I have come across some intriguing words regarding ancient property transfers:
DEFORCIANT – pronounced deforshant - one who wrongfully keeps the owner of lands & tenements out of the possession of them. wwwlegaldictionary.lawin.org
A FEOFFMENT in old England was a transfer of property that gave the new owner the right to Sell the land as well as the right to pass it on to his heirs. An essential element of feoffment was livery of SEISIN, a ceremony for transferring the possession of real property from one person to another.thefreedictionary.com
MESSUAGE, property. This word is synonymous with dwelling-house; and a grant of a messuage with the appurtenances, will not only pass a house, but all the buildings attached or belonging to it, as also its curtilage, garden and orchard, together with the close on which the house is built. thefreedictionary.com
- all very interesting
Kath

Meaning of "sentence" wrt Wills, Probate etc, mid C17th ?

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Friday, August 09, 2013, 03:07 (4119 days ago) @ kathg42

Hi Kath,
thanks so much for your reply, very helpful & interesting. I hope it was also of interest wrt your research of your Flaxley farming ancestors.
Please, did the National Archives site hyperlinks work on your computer or do they need those mysterious cookies etc ?. I'd love to know in case I'm wasting time posting dead links.
Thanks again, Jeff.

ps I see theres a Flaxley in South Australia, it wasn't created by your ancestors by any chance ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaxley,_South_Australia

Meaning of "sentence" wrt Wills, Probate etc, mid C17th ?

by kathg42 @, Friday, August 09, 2013, 23:35 (4118 days ago) @ Jefff

Jeff
all the links you have posted worked for me.

I find 'crapcleaner' great to get rid of unwanted bits- it's easy to download via 'piriform'.

Kath

Meaning of "sentence" wrt Wills, Probate etc, mid C17th ?

by ChrisW @, Friday, August 09, 2013, 13:58 (4119 days ago) @ Jefff

Hi Jeff

The first link works (haven't checked the others!)

SENTENCE

A judgement about a disputed will given at the conclusion of litigation. A sentence does not necessarily contain the same details as a will so we have differentiated between the two. Therefore, when you search, your search results will be described as either a will or a sentence.

Above also from National Archives.

PS I'm sure you can get therapy for addiction to Googling!

Meaning of "sentence" wrt Wills, Probate etc, mid C17th ?

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Friday, August 09, 2013, 14:12 (4119 days ago) @ ChrisW

Hi Chris,
thanks very much for your reply, and also for confirming the links work.
Yes I'm sure you're right re the Googling therapy (altho "other search engines are available" and in fact used by me). Many years ago when search engines weren't so userfriendly I found I seemed to have a talent for finding items my colleagues couldn't, presumably due to my rather lateral (aka crazy) way of doing things added to an insatiable desire for learning. I hope you don't think I'm overdoing the links, just trying to help set the scene as twere; having found the various sites while researching a subject, it seems a shame to keep them to myself.
Cheers Jeff

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by ChrisW @, Friday, August 09, 2013, 23:46 (4118 days ago) @ Jefff

Just having a little fun Jeff! Link away!

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