by russ3238 
, Leicestershire, England, (4419 days ago)
I am trying to find anything on Frederick ELLWAY or ELWAY. He just seems to have appeared in 1891. Prior to that I am lost. The latter Census 1891 onwards says he was born 1863 in Yorkley.
I cannot find a birth, baptism, marriage or Census details before 1891. I was hoping someone could help me identify his parents birth etc.
Thank you
by MPGriffiths, (4419 days ago) @ russ3238
Assume this is the Frederick
1911 Census - Broad Street, L:ittle Dean, Newnham, Glos
ELWAY
Fred - 48 - married - 25 years, (c1886) 14 children born alive, ten living 4 dead - Coal Miner, Hewer, born Yorkely
Kate - 44 - born Churcham
Lily - 16 - born Cinderford
Ivy - 14 - born Cinderford
Thomas - 11 - School - born Cinderford
Frederick - 9 - School, born Little Dean
William - 5 - School - born Little Dean
Naomio - 3 - born Little Dean
Kate - 1 - born Little Dean
1891 Census, Cinderford, Pembroke Road
Fred E ELWAY 29 - Collier, born Yorkley
Kate - 25 - born Churcham
Noh - son - 5 - born Cinderford
Blanch M - 5 - born Cinderford
Marian - 1
Evelyn - 1 month
Sarah (ditto) assume ELWAY - Widow 65 ? born Woolaston
Fanny BROWN - sister - single - 40 Laundress, born Yorkley
Wm BROWN, nephew - 18 - Coal Miner, born Cinderford
Albert BROWN - nephew - 11 - born Ellwood
Elizabeth BROWN - Niece - 1 - born Cinderford
Michael BROWN - Lodger, Widr, 68 - General Labourer, born Cinderford
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1881 Census, Station Street. East Dean
Thomas HOLLOWAY - Married - 60 - Coal Miner, Born Glos. Pillowell
Sarah - 56 - born Woolaston
Fred - Son - 18 - born Pillowell
Horn…. dau - 14 - born Pillowell
Willie - son - 8 born Ellwood
Albert BROWN - lodger - 12 months, born Cinderford
George BANISTER - Lodger, unmarried - 21 - Coal Miner, born Hereford, Hawthorns
Gloucestershire bdm
mother's maiden name : COOPEY
inc
ELWAY/COOPEY
Noah - 1886
Blanch May 1887
Marion 1890
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Constance Jane - 1911 - Fod Westbury on Severn
Elizabeth Kate - 1909 - ditto
Francis William - 1905 - ditto
Frederick Morton COOPEY - 1901
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Gloucestershirebdm
Fred HOLLOWAY - married Kate COOPEY - Forest of Dean, Flaxley, St Mary the Virgin - 1885
Marriage at Flaxley - 5 October 1885
Fred HOLLOWAY - age 23 (=c1862) Bachelor, Collier, residence: Flaxley Meend
father: Thomas HOLLOWAY, Collier
married
Kate COOPEY - Spinster - residence: Littledean
father: William COOPEY, Collier
witnesses: Albert & Jane MAYO
by Paul Andrews, Shropshire, England, (4419 days ago) @ MPGriffiths
1901 England Census
Broad Street,
Littledean
RG13/2419; Folio: 7; Page: 5
Frederick Ellway - Head - M - 38 - Coal Miner Hewer - Glos Yorkley
Elizabeth Ellway - Wife - M - 32 - Glos Churcham
Marian Ellway - Daur - S - 11 - Glos Cinderford
Rosina Ellway - Daur - 8 - Glos Cinderford
Lily Ellway - Daur - 6 - Glos Cinderford
Ivy Ellway - Daur - 4 - Glos Cinderford
Thomas Ellway - Son - 1 - Glos Cinderford
by ChrisW, (4419 days ago) @ russ3238
According to son Noah's baptism, his mother's name was ELIZABETH KATE.
Transcript Details
Record_ID: 87855
Entry_Number: 246
Year: 1886
Month: Jul
Day: 13
Parents_Surname: ELLWAY
Child_Forenames: Noah
Fathers_Forenames: Frederick
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth Kate
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Woodside
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: C. W. Houlston
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born May [?] 1886
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/2IN 1/1
Page_Number: 31
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen
Soundex: E400
by MPGriffiths, (4419 days ago) @ ChrisW
1881 Census, Broad St. Little Dean
William COOPY - Boarder - Widower - 56, Labourer, born Churcham
Kate COOPY - Border, unmarried - 13, Scholar, born Churcham
Joseph COOPY - Border, unmarried - 15 - Coal Miner, born Churcham
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On the 1891 census, there is an Alice ELLOWAY - age 24, born Pillowell, working as a Servant in Gloucester - not sure if she's the HOMEY? HOLLOWAY age 15 living with Thomas & Sarah HOLLOWAY on the 1881 census
by MPGriffiths, (4419 days ago) @ ChrisW
???????
On the 1891 Census,
Sarah ELAWAY (mother) Widow - 68 born Woolaston has her daughter Fanny BROWN (Sister to Fred - who could be Alfred?) - age 40 born Yorkley.
There is on the 1851 census at Breams Eaves
Sarah BROWN - Head Widow - 28 - Pauper, born Gloucestershire, Woolastone
William - 3 - born Newland
Charles - 1 - born West Dean
Unbistiset? BROWN - daughter - 1 week, born West Dean
Robert MORSE - Lodger - unmarried - 23 - Coal Miner
Charles - 1849 - Forest of Dean, Monmouth Coleford
William - 1847 - ditto
Fanny - 185 - ditto
All the above, mother's maiden name CROOM
by Mike Pinchin, Bedford, England, (4419 days ago) @ MPGriffiths
That Unbistiset really intrigued me. I think it says "unbaptised".
by MPGriffiths, (4419 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin
?
The unbaptised child (female) might be
18 May 1851 at Forest of Dean Bible Christian
Fanny Amelia BROWN - father: William (Collier) and Sarah (living with Sarah BROWN age 40 - 1891 census)
residence: West Dean
Notes: Bream Preaching Room
and
William BROWN was christened - at parents House - 29 September 1847 - at Newland, parents William & Sarah - (Gloucestershire Genealogical Database)
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1851 census taken - Sunday 30 March 1851 and Sarah is a Widow living at Bream Eaves
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FoD records
Burial at Bream - 6 March 1851
William BROWN
age 26
residence: Bream Eaves
Memoranda:
Sarah Brown, Bream Eaves, Widow
by Jefff, West London, Middlesex, (4419 days ago) @ MPGriffiths
There is on the 1851 census at Breams Eaves
Unbistiset? BROWN - daughter - 1 week, born West Dean
GlosBMD gives:
Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
BROWN Female -- BROWN -- 1851 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 7 333
(ie no entry for Father Surname OR Mother's Former Name)
FreeBMD gives only these two "Brown, female" entries in all 1851 Glos BMDs, namely:
Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcribers
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Births Mar 1851
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Brown Female Monmouth XXVI 89 Higgy
Brown Female Monmouth XXVI 89 KeithSayers
and sadly, presume same child:
Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page Transcribers
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Deaths Mar 1851
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BROWN Female Monmouth XXVI 52 phijost
BROWN Female Monmouth XXVI 52 1hartley
GlosBMD gives:
Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
ELLWAY Fred ELLWAY ELLWAY BROWN 1862 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 18 241
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx
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Best if not only "fit" I can find on FreeBMD is:
Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcribers
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Births Sep 1862
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ALWAY Frederick George Gloucester 6a 233 DaveW
ALWAY Frederick George Gloucester 6a 233 trishell44
But why not Monmouth office, seems odd ??!!
There are other ALWAY/ALLWAYS in Gloucester/Stroud so maybe different family altogether ?. Above birth perhaps linked with
Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcriber
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Marriages Dec 1861
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Alway George Gloucester 6a 528 icemaiden316
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ALSO from FreeBMD, perhaps more relevant to our Fred ??
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Births Dec 1861 (>99%)
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ELLWAY John Monmouth 11a 26
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Births Jun 1862 (>99%)
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ELLWAY James Monmouth 11a 28
Try this one:
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
ELLWAY Fred ELLWAY ELLWAY BROWN 1862 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 18 241
and these for Fred's children:
ELWAY Blanch May ELWAY ELWAY COOPEY 1887 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 57 70
ELWAY Ivy Maud ELWAY ELWAY COOPEY 1896 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 4 478
ELWAY Lily ELWAY ELWAY COOPEY 1894 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 2 280
ELWAY Marion ELWAY ELWAY COOPEY 1890 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 60 63
ELWAY Noah ELWAY ELWAY COOPEY 1886 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 54 449
ELWAY Rosina Eveline ELWAY ELWAY COOPEY 1892 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 63 119
ELWAY Sarah Eveline ELWAY ELWAY COOPEY 1891 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 61 251
ELWAY Thomas Luther ELWAY ELWAY COOPEY 1899 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 7 272
Mike
by MPGriffiths, (4419 days ago) @ shepway
??
Sarah BROWN says she was born in Woolaston around c 1823 onwards
Baptism at Woolaston
Sarah Anne CROOME - 5 February 1826 - parents William (Farmer) & Sarah Anne
Can't find a CROOM/BROWN marriage pre 1847
by russ3238 , Leicestershire, England, (4418 days ago) @ russ3238
Thanks to all who have replied and helped me to sort this one out.
I think I now have it.
Fred was the illegitimate son of Thomas ELLWAY (b 1821 Pillowell,son of John and Mary ELLWAY died 1887)and Sarah BROWN.
Sarah was a widow and was the housekeeper to Thomas who was also widowed. The 1871 Census has them living at Ellwood with Fred having the surname BROWN. He was Thomas' son as shown in the BMD for Gloucestershire and reverted back to his correct name by 1891 when he was married.
Fred went onto have 14 children including Noah whose son William Frederick was killed in action in Holland 1945, 10 days before the end of WW2.
Thanks again
by MPGriffiths, (4418 days ago) @ russ3238
1861 Census, Newland, Ellwood
ALLAWAY
Thomas - 42 - Iron Ore Miner, all born Newland
Sarah - 40
John - 12
Fanny - 10 (1871 Census, Newland, Gloster Road, Fanny BROWN age 20 Servant, born Newland) ***
and your findings….. 1871 Census, Ellwood
ELEWAY
Thomas - 50 - labourer rail road
Saah BROWN - 46 - Servant
Fred BROWN - 8
John BROWN - 21
Harriet BROWN - 4
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?????? - not sure if this is Fanny
Marriage at Parkend - 2 June 1877
Amos BAYNHAM - age 20 - bachelor, Collier, residence: Lane End
father: Anthony BAYNHAM Collier
married
Fanny BROWN, age 24 (29 on 1881 census) - Spinster, residence, Lane End
father: William BROWN (Collier)
witnesses: Henry & Elizabeth GUNTER
1881 Census - West Dean
BAYNHAM
Anthony - 62 Coal Miner, born Glos Purle
Amos - 24 - born Glos. West Dean
Fanny - daughter-in-law - 29 born West Dean
William - Grandson - 3