English Bicknor MIs: Thomas Ambury, d.1854 (General)

by mikeamberry, Friday, March 14, 2014, 21:36 (3908 days ago)

Hello all,

First post here, so may I firstly say how much I've appreciated all the information contained on this website - it has all been of great assistance.

Now to business! Does anyone have access to the Memorial Inscriptions for English Bicknor, or might anyone be able to point me in the right direction as to any available transcriptions? I live some distance away, so a browse around the churchyard isn't an option...

My interest is in Thomas Ambury, who is shown on the parish records here as being buried at English Bicknor in 1854. Details as follows:

Record_ID: 16543
Entry_Number: 2363
Year: 1854
Month: Oct
Day: 11
Surname: AMBERY
Forenames: Thomas
Residence: Shortstanding
Age_at_death: 8
Officiating_Minister: R.Davies off.minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: from 1813
Page_No: 106
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor
Soundex: A516

Specifically I'm hoping to find out what his parents' names were.

My interest is as follows (skip to the next paragraph if you get bored!)- my G-G-Grandfather was one Thomas Amberry, who first appears in Llantwit Major, Glamorgan in 1874, where he marries a lass from Bristol and starts a family. According to the 1881 and 1891 censuses he's an Agricultural Labourer from Taunton in Somerset, but no matter where I've looked I can't find any trace of Amberrys of any spelling in that part of Somerset. Not unusual for Ag Labs to be elusive, I hear you say, however his marriage certificate shows his father was called Thomas and was a farmer, which should mean he appears *somewhere* in the records, as occupation of land tends to leave more of a footprint than transient workers did. The Taunton problem is a tricky one, but I have seen links between the Ambury family and Staunton, near Coleford, which might give a convenient explanation.

Having searched the BMDs and censuses for elsewhere in the country, the only potential match I've found (ie Thomas Amberry or similar, son of Thomas the farmer and born 1843-49)is the one appearing on the 1851 census at Sparrow Hill, Newland, born c.1847 in Usk, Monmouthshire. This Thomas also had a cousin with the same name, born in 1848 at Goodrich (Record_ID: 176280) to his uncle James.

One of these Thomases died in 1854, and the other went on to appear in the 1871 Census living at Matherne, Monmouthshire, with his uncle William. If it's Thomas son of Thomas who lived, it might be the man I'm looking for.

Unfortunately the residence shown in the above record was Shortstanding, which leads me to think it might be Thomas son of Thomas who died, however I'm unwilling to give up my pet theory without trying to check who the parents shown on the gravestone were! That's the reason I'm looking for some help.

Sorry about the long rambling nature of that post, but I thought I'd give you the background, with this being a family history forum and everything! Who knows if I have family links to the Forest of Dean? It would be nice if I did...

English Bicknor MIs: Thomas Ambury, d.1854

by ChrisW @, Friday, March 14, 2014, 22:33 (3908 days ago) @ mikeamberry

Welcome to our merry band Mike!

Apparently the English Bicknor MIs have been transcribed by the Herefordshire Family History Society: http://churchdb.gukutils.org.uk/GLS202.php

English Bicknor MIs: Thomas Ambury, d.1854

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Friday, March 14, 2014, 22:52 (3908 days ago) @ ChrisW

Hi Mike and welcome,
Glad you've found the site helpful so far, yes it's a credit to all the people who did all the hardwork to create it (no, not me !).

Just a quick thought, have you searched this forum for prior threads, I see the Ambrey name has been discussed a few times, plus there are some Wills etc in the Documents section. The whole site deserves thorough browsing in my opinion, theres some real gems to be found oif yoiu dig deep enough.

Re Chris' reply, if you check this link to the Herefordshire FHS you'll see a contact for a lady who is already researching your Ambrey surname, perhaps she might be able to help you ?.

Good luck !

http://www.herefordshirefhs.org.uk/surnames?field=+&cat_id=3

English Bicknor MIs: Thomas Ambury, d.1854

by mikeamberry, Saturday, March 15, 2014, 01:00 (3908 days ago) @ Jefff

Thank you both!

I'll take a good look at the Herefordshire FHS site and will make contact with my fellow researcher.

As for the wills, they've already been of great assistance. The problem with large families recycling the same names over and over is that you're never 100% sure you're looking at the right person. Something like a will which might tell you a sibling or a child's name is great for filling in the gaps!

That being said I did find myself spending a full day trying to decipher the Will of William Ambrey of English Bicknor (1824ish) the other day - about 8 pages of longhand legalese in crabby handwriting. That was a low point in the search!

English Bicknor MIs: Thomas Ambury, d.1854

by dink999, Saturday, March 15, 2014, 14:07 (3907 days ago) @ mikeamberry

A year or so too old perhaps but this birth entry might be of interest with a mothers maiden name of Baldwin

AMBURY Thomas AMBURY AMBURY BALDWIN 1843 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 3 133

English Bicknor MIs: Thomas Ambury, d.1854

by abird @, Monday, March 17, 2014, 13:18 (3905 days ago) @ mikeamberry

As well as the burial of Thomas Ambery on 11 Oct 1854 there were 2 burials on the 15 Oct 1854:
Mary Anne Ambery, aged 6, of Shortstanding (Record Id: 16545)
Anne Ambery, aged 1yr 8mths, of Shortstanding (Record Id: 16546)

English Bicknor MIs: Thomas Ambury, d.1854

by mikeamberry, Monday, March 17, 2014, 22:46 (3905 days ago) @ abird

Yes, it seems to have been a very tough month for that particular family. Both Mary Anne and Anne appear to have been the daughters of Thomas and Mary Ambury, who were also the parents of the Thomas Ambury I've been looking at. The fact Shortstanding is shown as the place of residence does strongly suggest the three were siblings.

Three children dead in a matter of weeks. There's a story there, and it doesn't look like a very happy one...

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