Martin family Blaisdon (General)
by annrh32, Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 15:51 (3890 days ago)
I am researching the Martin family from Blaisdon. My grandfather was Frank Martin born in 1880, greatgrandfather was George Martin born in 1845, great great grandfather was Charles Martin born in !815 and great great great grandfather was John Martin born 1785. I would like to hear from anyone who has any information on the Martin family. I remember visiting relatives in Blaisdon in the 1950s and 1960s, they lived in the mill and farm, I think they were uncle Charlie and Aunty Alice. I have some old photos of relatives in Blaisdon but can not put names to the faces.
Martin family Blaisdon
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 18:04 (3890 days ago) @ annrh32
Hi,
welcome to the forum. Were the relatives you visited at Bridge House ?
I can only see one Alice Martin at Blaisdon in this site's huge PR database, could this be the one you mention, tho I think she may be too old to be the Alice you visited.
??
Record_ID: 2894
Entry_Number: 551
Year: 1962
Month: Feb
Day: 5
Surname: MARTIN
Forenames: Alice Emma Annie
Residence: Bridge House Blaisdon
Age_at_death: 91
Officiating_Minister: Fredk A. Marchant Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P50 IN 1/9
Page_No: 69
Parish_Chapel: Blaisdon
Soundex: M635
Then again, at the same address and time I find a Charles (one of a line it seems from the PRs)
Record_ID: 2895
Entry_Number: 552
Year: 1963
Month: Feb
Day: 22
Surname: MARTIN
Forenames: Charles
Residence: Bridge House Blaisdon
Age_at_death: 84
Officiating_Minister: Fredk A. Marchant Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P50 IN 1/9
Page_No: 69
Parish_Chapel: Blaisdon
Soundex: M635
Also at Bridge House, Blaisdon;
Record_ID: 2769
Entry_Number: 426
Year: 1921
Month: Apr
Day: 28
Surname: MARTIN
Forenames: George
Residence: Bridge House Westbury on Severn
Age_at_death: 75
Officiating_Minister: Gilbert Eusor Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: 1921
Notes: 1921 written in left margin
Register_Reference: P50 IN 1/9
Page_No: 54
Parish_Chapel: Blaisdon
Soundex: M635
Record_ID: 2766
Entry_Number: 423
Year: 1919
Month: Dec
Day: 16
Surname: MARTIN
Forenames: Emma Jane
Residence: Bridge House Westbury-on-Severn
Age_at_death: 75
Officiating_Minister: Gilbert Eusor Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P50 IN 1/9
Page_No: 53
Parish_Chapel: Blaisdon
Soundex: M635
Sons of Charles and Alice:
Record_ID: 150572
Entry_Number: 770
Year: 1912
Month: Jan
Day: 21
Parents_Surname: MARTIN
Child_Forenames: Ronald Charles
Fathers_Forenames: Charles
Mothers_Forenames: Alice Emma Annie
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Blaisdon
Occupation: Insurance Agent
Officiating_Minister: Gilbert Ensor Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: in left hand margin born 14 Dec 1911
Notes:
Register_Reference: P49 1/4
Page_Number: 97
Parish_Chapel: Blaisdon
Soundex: M635
Record_ID: 150582
Entry_Number: 780
Year: 1913
Month: Aug
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: MARTIN
Child_Forenames: Dennis Joseph
Fathers_Forenames: Charles
Mothers_Forenames: Alice Emma Annie
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Blaisdon
Occupation: Insurance Agent
Officiating_Minister: Gilbert Ensor Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: in left hand margin born 27 May 1913
Notes:
Register_Reference: P49 1/4
Page_Number: 98
Parish_Chapel: Blaisdon
Soundex: M635
Could this be Charles & Alice's marriage, cannot find a PR, but from FreeBMD (both were popular names then, particularly Charles, so not certain if ??).
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Sep 1911 (>99%)
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Baldwin Alice M Gloucester 6a 623
Martin Charley Gloucester 6a 623
Martin Charlie Gloucester 6a 623
they married during the July/August/September Quarter
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
More detail c/of GlosBMD,
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
MARTIN Charlie BALDWIN Alice Margaret Gloucester Gloucester St Aldate 1911 26x No 1 476
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MarriageSearch.aspx
(Ah, M = Margaret !!, I originally hoped the M was an error re Emma, but now ???)
More PRs etc in this older thread
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=18384
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The 1879 Kelly's Trade Directory for Blaisdon lists a Charles Martin, a miller at Blaisdon Mill. (Presume this was a water mill, hence Bridge House ??)
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/index.php/resources/kelly-s-directory-1879/45-blaisdon
Ditto 1868 & 1852 Slater's Directories;
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cbennett/newnham1868.htm
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cbennett/newent1852b.htm
I think this was your GGGrandfather Charles b1815, his marriage from GlosBMD;
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
MARTIN Charles PARRY Ellen Forest of Dean Blaisdon St Michael and All Angels 1843 1 7
MARTIN Charles PARRY Eleanor Forest of Dean Blaisdon St Michael and All Angels 1843 1 7
Just one of their family baptisms in this site's PRs, your GREAT Grandfather;
Record_ID: 150053
Entry_Number: 251
Year: 1846
Month: Mar
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: MARTIN
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: Charles
Mothers_Forenames: Eleanor
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Blaysdon
Occupation: Miller
Officiating_Minister: E.Palling Off[iciating] Min[ister]
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P49 1/4
Page_Number: 32
Parish_Chapel: Blaisdon
Soundex: M635
From the British History site,
"The water-mill recorded on the Abenhall's estate in the early 14th century was perhaps at Blaisdon Mill on the Longhope brook at the south end of the village; there was certainly a mill there by 1652. Blaisdon Mill, which was owned by the Gordons in the earlier 19th century, was driving two pairs of stones in 1864. It apparently ceased working in the late 1880s. The stone mill building, distinguished by its weather-boarded hatch, survived in 1969 adjoining the miller's brick house."
From: 'Blaisdon: Economic history', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 10: Westbury and Whitstone Hundreds (1972), pp. 8-9.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=15736 Date accessed: 25 March 2014.
More recently
http://www.yourlocalweb.co.uk/gloucestershire/blaisdon/pictures/popup-1645952-the-old-m...
Is there a hump in the road just behind the mill, perhaps over Hope Brook, need to check a map.
Much more detail and recent photos etc here
http://www.fdean.gov.uk/media/Assets/Planning-DC/documents/Conservation%20Areas/Current...
Martin family Blaisdon
by annrh32, Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 19:36 (3890 days ago) @ Jefff
thank you for replying. I think the mill must be bridge house. I remember the names Ronald and Joe which looks like they were the sons of Charles and Alice Martin, Charles Martin was the brother of my grandfather Frank Martin, in the 1901 s census Frank was living in Chaxhill, where he had a bakery and shop, my father Alfred Martin was born in Aylburton. I can remember visiting the house(farm) and walking along the road to the mill and going home with baskets of plums.
MARTIN/HIGGINS
by MPGriffiths , Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 19:44 (3890 days ago) @ annrh32
This particular tree is on Ancestry with children Ronald Charles 1911-1991 in Gloucestershire and Dennis Joseph (Joe) 1914-1992 in Gloucestershire
The children's information is Private on Public Members Tree
(Gloucestershirebdm : mother's maiden name HIGGINS)
1911 Census,
School House
Blaisdon
Longhope
Glos
Charles Martin, age 32, Agent to the Prudential Assy. Coy. born Blaisdon
Alice Emma Annie Martin -age 38 School Mistress, County Council, born Overbury, Worcester
married 1 year (freebdm : married Frome District December 1909)
by Googling: School House, Blaisdon. This was with Zoopla 1 February 2012 - with photographs and descriptions i.e. A former school masters cottage requiring modernisation and being attached to the church hall (former school)….. etc
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George MARTIN and Emma Jane were living at Bridge House, in Blaisdon 1911 census)
Fod records
Burial at Blaisdon - 28 April 1921
George MARTIN age 75 - residence, Bridge House, Westbury on Severn
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Ancestry: Probate
MARTIN George of Bridge House, Blaisdon, Gloucestershire died 23 April 1921. Probate Gloucester 25 May to Emma Jane MARTIN, Spinster, and Edgar MARTIN, baker. Effects £…
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Probate
MARTIN Charles of Bridge House, Blaisdon near Longhope Gloucestershire, died 18 February 1963 at The Dilke Hospital, Cinderford, Gloucestershire.
Probate Gloucester 25 July to Midland Bank Executor and Trustee Company Limited. Effects £………..
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Alice's family is also on Public Members Tree - this is one of the census returns 1891 in Stratton St Margaret, Swindon Wiltshire
Swindon Road
HIGGINS
Joseph - 46 - Farm Baliff - born Somerset
Ann A - wife - 43 - born Somerset
Alice E A - day - 19 - Pupil Teacher, born Worcester, Ovebury
Ellen A - 16 Milliner's Apprentice - born Glos. Ashton Underhill
Ernest - 14 - Grocers Apprentice - born ditto
Bertha M - 12 - born Wilts, West Hatch
Fred E - 3 - born Wilts, Stratton
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1901 Census, Mapledurwell, Southampton
Malt House
Alice E HIGGINS - 29 - Schoolmistress, born Ovebury (Oresbury on Ancestry) -
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British Newspapers on Line
August 29 1914
Wanted: Mother's help. Apply, Mrs MARTIN, School House, Blaisdon
MARTIN/HIGGINS, Blaisdon School, Bridge House
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 23:18 (3890 days ago) @ MPGriffiths
Thanks M for sorting out the correct marriage for Charles & Alice, schoolmistress.
Here's a contemporary photo of the schoolhouse ref the 1911 Census, several more Blaisdon pics on this great site.
http://www.forestprints.co.uk/blaisdon_school_c1909.htm
The 1914 Kelly's Trade Directory for Blaisdon states
"Public elementary school (mixed), built in 1896, with mistress's house, at the sole expense of the late Peter Stubbs Esq for 93 children; average attendance 70; Mrs Alice E.A.Martin, mistress."
[Elsewhere it states Peter Stubbs lived at Blaisdon Hall until dying in 1905]
Hopefully this link will go straight to the relevant page 50.
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/exe/wwt.dll/pdf?fn=e:\hdapps\00007hrj.pdf
If not search "Blaisdon" from http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp
(For best viewing of a page on this site, open it in pdf format)
Later in the Directory this same search will find page 364, Westbury on Severn, which mentions "George Martin, Farmer of BOSELEY, (letters via Blaisdon, Longhope)."
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/exe/wwt.dll/pdf?fn=e:\hdapps\00007i09.pdf
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Studying Blaisdon on the Old Maps site is particularly informative as there's a very full set of close-scale 1:2500 maps since 1880;
If one was walking from the Bridge over the main Brook which crosses the map West - East (Hope Brook from Longhope down to the Severn at Westbury), walking south towards the railway is "Blaisdon Bridge House", clear away from the Brook so it's not the Mill as I suggested. Bridge House looks like a small farm, it's surrounded by orchards, red plums presumably ?
Retreading back north towards the Brook, first just over the Bridge is "Stanley Cottage" on left of road, immediately followed by the "Corn Mill" next to it according to 1880 & 1903 maps. The mill is clearly fed by a feeder pond and stream rather than the main Brook itself.
By 1922 the mill is called "Saw Mill", by 1972 it's "Old Mill" & "Stanley" is "Syston? Cottage". The latest maps also show a few newer houses near the Bridge. Walking further north into the village centre is the smithy, then tanhouse, much larger Spout Farm, school and so on.
www.old-maps.co.uk
Martin family Blaisdon
by Mike Pinchin , Bedford, England, Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 23:22 (3890 days ago) @ annrh32
Ronald gets several mentions in the Gloucester Journal as he seems to have corresponded with "Uncle Charlie" who ran the paper's "Young Folks' Corner".
Sat 21 November 1925
Bridge House, Blaisdon, Longhope, Glos.
7th November 1925 - Dear Uncle Charlie, - I thank you for the lovely present in the lucky bag which you sent me. - I remain, yours respectfully, Ronald MARTIN.
There are 4 other mentions including prizes for various contests.
Trivia, I know. But I like trivia.
Martin family, Scandal at Blaisdon
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 00:01 (3890 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin
I agree entirely Mike, it all helps build the picture, there's nowt trivial about trivia !
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Thankfully the following story doesn't involve the Martins at all (sorry about the misleading journalistic title!), but you can be sure they talked about it for weeks in normally quiet Blaisdon !!
Reported by the Cardiff Times, 15 February 1896
"ELOPEMENT OF A LOCAL CLERGYMAN.
At a meeting of creditors of the Rev. Alfred Ederstein, vicar of Blaisdon, near Gloucester, held at Huntley, Gloucester, on Wednesday, was stated that that gentleman, who is a married man with wife and children, had eloped with the daughter of a neighbouring squire, and was now on his way to America. The rev. gentleman left a letter, which was read to the creditors, and which stated that he had led an unhappy life at Blaisdon. He gave instructions that the farm stock, etc, was to be sold to pay the creditors, and after consideration the meeting decided to instruct a Gloucester firm of auctioneers to dispose of the property."
http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/page/view/3426015/ART112/blaisdon
Martin family, Scandal at Blaisdon
by Mike Pinchin , Bedford, England, Sunday, April 06, 2014, 20:33 (3878 days ago) @ Jefff
Hi Jeff,
I have been trying to follow up the Rev. Alfred in the BNA and have now reached a state of confusion. There are many references to a Rev. Alfred Edersheim, including the "scandal" you mention. However, there are numerous references to a Rev Alfred Edersheim having died in Dorset (Mantone ???) in 1889. There can't possibly be two of them can there?
Martin family, Scandal at Blaisdon
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Sunday, April 06, 2014, 21:27 (3878 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin
Hi Mike,
I'm afraid I have no real idea. When I found the article# I did briefly try searching what seemed a rather unique name but didn't get anywhere, think my temperamental pc had one of it's "outages" instead. A few years ago I'd have said there couldn't be two different Alfreds with such a similar name as that, but my FH experiences suggest anything's possible. I guess that surname could have a few legitimate spelling variations so may well have been different men from different backgrounds with same name ??
OR
was the Rev Alfred a realife example of one of those dubious characters portrayed so well by the likes of Peter Sellers in Ealing comedy films, maybe it was an imposter who read those same newspaper articles about Rev Edersheim and stole his identity... (unlikely !).
I wonder if the "off to America" story was just that, fictional smokescreen to help hide/silence the truth and save the Church or families from further embarrassment ??
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I see Alfred EDERSHEIM is readily found on the net, and clearly not "our" man.
eg http://www.oxfordchabad.org/templates/articlecco_cdo/aid/895196/jewish/Alfred-Edersheim...
UNLESS.. could "our" Alfred been a son ?. He apparently had seven children after marrying a Mary Broomfield in Scotland in 1846. In the winter of 1860-61 poor health led Edersheim to move to Torquay, where Mary died. He subsequently married Sophia, nee Hancock.
FreeBMD gives just two Edersheim births for the whole UK, one at Westbury on Severn and one at Bridport Dorset, so both seem to "fit" ref Blaisdon and the above article which states,
"In 1875 he was ordained in the Church of England, and was Curate of the Abbey Church, Christchurch, Hants, for a year, and from 1876 to 1882 Vicar of Loders, Bridport, Dorset. He was appointed to the post of Warburtonian Lecturer at Lincoln's Inn 1880-84. In 1882 he resigned and relocated to Oxford. He was Select Preacher to the University 1884-85 and Grinfield Lecturer on the Septuagint 1886-88 and 1888-89."
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Births Dec 1882 (>99%)
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Edersheim Pauline M E Westbury S. 6a 258
Deaths Dec 1882 (>99%)
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EDERSHEIM Pauline M E 0 Westbury S. 6a 163
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Births Mar 1885 (>99%)
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EDERSHEIM Dorothy Julia Bridport 5a 396[/color]
Plus other Eversheim M & Ds around the UK (but not Edersheim/Everstein/etc), including this lone Alfred, is it coincidence this London marriage is the FreeBMD record immediately before the above W-o-S Birth ??
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%)
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Edersheim Alfred St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 749
HIGGS Mary St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 749
MONTAGU Lydia Julia P St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 749
Wooller Thomas St Geo Han Sq 1a 749
??
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GlosBMD has just this one Edersheim record, so very close to Blaisdon;
Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
EDERSHEIM Pauline Margaret Eugenia EDERSHEIM EDERSHEIM MONTAGUE 1882 Gloucester Gloucester, Huntley 16 31
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A possible mother, perhaps ? GlosBMD carries abt 12 Montagues in the Dean, all Lydney area. This site's PRs only 12 in total, not a typical Forest name.
Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MONTAGUE Ada Juliana Marguerite Amelia MONTAGUE MONTAGUE DENYS 1849 Forest of Dean Chepstow, Lydney 5 13
????
Please keep searching for him, I'll try and help too.
# NB I found the article only while searching "Blaisdon", I have no knowledge whatsoever of the Rev Alfred or his family.
Martin family, Scandal at Blaisdon
by Mike Pinchin , Bedford, England, Sunday, April 06, 2014, 22:41 (3878 days ago) @ Jefff
Oooh err. That reference in the Wikipedia article to his death in Menton, France looks a lot like Mentone, (supposedly in Dorset) . There's more to this than meets the eye. I shall carry on looking. I like a good mystery.
Martin family, Scandal at Blaisdon
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Sunday, April 06, 2014, 22:59 (3878 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin
Me too...
Just found this particularly detailed account of the good Rev Edersheim's life, which states
"Because of his health condition he eventually moved to Menton, France where he passed away March 16th, 1889."
Menton was certainly possible for a well-heeled English man seeking a healthy climate.
Thankfully the article also states
"The Rev. Alfred Edersheim was married to Mary Broomfield around 1846. They had seven children as follows; Stephanie Christina born December 16, 1848, Mary Matilda born October 5, 1851, Julia Augusta born November 12, 1854, Marcia Louisa born December 23, 1856, Alfred Edersheim Jr. born in 1858, Elise Williamina born May 12,1860 and Madeleine Anna born July 17, 1861."
and
"Alfred Edersheim Jr. was achieved his BA at Pembroke College, Cambridge in 1882 and MA in 1890. He was created deacon in 1882 and priest in 1884 in the diocese of Gloucester and Bristol. He was Curate of Huntley in Gloucestershire between 1882 and 1886; of Culford, County Suffolk 1886 to 1887; of Far Headingly, Leeds 1887-1889 and of Kegworth, Leicestershire, 1889-1890, before becoming Rector of Blaisdon, Gloucestershire in 1890. The Rev. Alfred Edersheim Jr. supposedly immigrated to New Zealand around 1896"
http://www.piney.com/MailEdersh.html
The above was written by a Stewart Edersheim, perhaps being deliberately vague at times in respect of Alfred Senior's good works...
You don't have access to the Shipping records or Census' for New Zealand by any chance, please ??
From LDS I've found Alfred Jr born Mackay Scotland 1858 in the 1871 Census(Hants school) and 1881 (Cambridge Univ), but nowt afterwards.
Martin family, Scandal at Blaisdon
by Mike Pinchin , Bedford, England, Sunday, April 06, 2014, 23:07 (3878 days ago) @ Jefff
Good work. Looks like there were two of them and the son was the dubious character. From the Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette 9th March 1899-
Deaths. Edersheim, on the 2nd inst. at Oxford, Sophia, widow of the Rev. Alfred Edersheim M.A. D.D. in her 78th year.
Martin family, Scandal at Blaisdon
by Mike Pinchin , Bedford, England, Monday, April 07, 2014, 19:41 (3877 days ago) @ Jefff
No luck with immigration records yet but,
GRBDM
Alfred EDERSHEIM married Lydia Julia P. Montagu
Q4 1881
Civil Divorce Records, EDERSHEIM
1906 Lydia Julia Pauline vs Alfred
Petition filed 15/11/1906
Decree Nisi 18/02/07
Final Decree 28/08/07
Respondent a clerk in Holy orders
1911 Census, Radclive, Bucks
Pauline EDERSHEIM, Widow, 50, Private means
b. Breident (?), France
One servant also listed
Probate calendar 1927
EDERSHEIM Lydia Julia Pauline of Ivy Lodge Albany Road Fleet Hampshire Widow died 21 December 1926 Administration London 16 March to Alfred Montagu EDERSHEIM engineer. Effects £257 1s 5d. (Maybe £8000 today)
Looks like there were at least three of them!
Several trees on Ancestry which include him but, curiously, no death reference I've seen yet.
Martin family, Scandal at Blaisdon
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Tuesday, April 08, 2014, 01:24 (3877 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin
Hi Mike,
well done on your finds.
Being something of a Francophile I've been scouring the net and then atlases for Breident, alleged birthplace of Alfred Jr's wife Pauline Montagu, but no luck.
Another look at LDS gave this, just one year after Alfred became Rector at Blaisdon;
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name: Pauline Edersheim
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Gender: Female
Age: 34
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Birthplace: Boulogne #
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Westbury On Severn
Sub-District: Huntley
Ecclesiastical Parish: Blaisdon
Parish: Blaisdon
County: Gloucestershire
Name: Alfred Edersheim
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Gender: Male
Age: 35
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Aberdeen
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Westbury On Severn
Sub-District: Huntley
Ecclesiastical Parish: Blaisdon
Parish: Blaisdon
County: Gloucestershire
Name: Dorothy Edersheim
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Gender: Female
Age: 6
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Bridport, Dorsetshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Westbury On Severn
Sub-District: Huntley
Ecclesiastical Parish: Blaisdon
Parish: Blaisdon
County: Gloucestershire
# Not far from Boulogne, just inland of neighbouring Le Touquet, is the small village of Brexent-Enocq, population about 360 in the 1860s, not much bigger now. Is this "Breident" I wonder, I can quite understand it being mispelt !
So Dorothy was born (and Christened Dorothy Julia) in Bridport, Dorset around New Year 1885, while Alfred was Curate at Huntley, perhaps they'd been visiting Alfred's parents for Christmas ?.
[I met my wife at Weymouth, very near Bridport... some years later I tried to persuade her to "hurry it up" while visiting my parents in Cinderford over Christmas 1996, but "sadly" our son was born a vurriner at our Middlesex "home" a week later... this is getting spooky].
Sadly Dorothy died when just a child, in Somerset. How sad for her mother, only 18 months year after father Alfred Jr had supposedly eloped !
Name: Dorothy Edersheim
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1897
Registration District: Keynsham
County: Somerset
Event Place: Keynsham, Somerset, England
Age (available after 1866): 12
Birth Year (Estimated): 1885
Volume: 5C
Page: 363
Line Number: 231
According to LDS, which may well be wrong, Alfred 3rd wasn't in the Huntley household for the 1891 Census. ?? This seems odd as he was also born in Bridport and only 18 months after Dorothy.
Name: Alfred Montagu Edersheim
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1886
Registration District: Bridport
County: Dorset
Event Place: Bridport, Dorset, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3):
Volume: 5A
Page: 367
Line Number: 319
I cannot find any sign of Alfred 3rd on LDS after this.
I think he was born in Bridport, rather than Huntley, as by now his father Alfred Jr had finished working at Huntley and was in Suffolk, presumably mother Pauline stayed with her inlaws. According to Alfred Jr's aforementioned biography he didn't appear to travel to France for work. Perhaps still thinking about when I met my wife nr Bridport, I HAD "decided" that Alfred Jr met pretty Mam'selle Pauline Montague at his hometown of Bridport, while she was visiting, or had moved there to find work, it being less than a day's sailing from Boulogne, perhaps she was from a fishing family ??. Afterall, Bridport has a 750 year history of rope and net making, the nets for the 1966 World Cup Final and all the Wimbledon LTA Championships are made at Bridport...
However once again my guess is very poor, clearly Alfred moved in much higher circles than I imagined, perhaps that's why the marriage ultimately failed ?;
"England and Wales Census, 1881"
Name: Lydia D P Montigue
Age (Original): 25
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1856
Birthplace: France
Relationship to Head of Household: Sister
Marital Status: Single
Occupation:
Address: Cambridge Villas Cambridge Road
Event Place: Aldershot (Hants), Surrey, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341183
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 781 / 10
Page Number: 13
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Phillip Montigue M 29 France
Wife Evelyn M Montigue F 20 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Sister Lydia D P Montigue F 25 France
Servant John Bradbury M 38 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Servant Ann Bradbury F 33 Ireland
Daughter Zoe Montague (Bradbury) F 4 London, Middlesex, England
"England and Wales Census, 1871"
Name: Laura J P Montague
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 16
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: France
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: St George Hanover Square
Sub-District:
Parish: St George Hanover Sq
County: London, Middlesex
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self John M P Montague M 47 Chelsea, Middlesex
Son Philip Montague M 20 France
Daughter Laura J P Montague F 16 France
Daughter Emily C E A Montague F 8 Madpole, Dorsetshire
Sister Eliza Derbishire F 42 Chelsea, Middlesex
Sister Susanna Derbishire F 38 Chelsea, Middlesex
Servant James Foley M 55 Maymoath, Ireland
Servant Harrit Chessex F 32 Vaud, Switzerland
Servant Hannah T Colman F 28 Handsworth, Norfolk
Servant Phobe Ward F 23 Bridport, Dorsetshire
Servant Mathew Conton M 15 Bridport, Dorsetshire
Which links nicely his Bridport roots, their Hanover Sq London marriage and the 1927 Probate details of her living her latter days at Fleet, Hants.
BUT come on Mike, over to you for the final chapter; WHERE did Alfred Junior go....and WHO was the local Squire's daughter ??
As you say, I like a good mystery....
Martin family, Scandal at Blaisdon
by Mike Pinchin , Bedford, England, Tuesday, April 08, 2014, 19:33 (3876 days ago) @ Jefff
Well, maybe not Alfred II or III but this is the lady.
From the Gloucester Citizen, 19th Feb 1907,
Summarizing,
FORMER RECTOR AS RESPONDENT
In the divorce court.........
..... the petitioner was then informed he had gone off to New Zealand with a Miss STUBS in 1906 [other reports say 1896, returning in 1906]. He was found to be in London at the Hotel Victoria and was subsequently discovered to be living at Brighton with the lady under the name of Mr and Mrs GIBSON.
.........in 1891 they went to live at Blaisdon, Gloucestershire where the respondent became Rector. She had there to complain about his behavior to ladies, and in 1896 he left her saying he "could bear it no longer", and gave directions as to his property. She was told by Mr STUBS that the respondent had gone off with his daughter.
Same story in the Stamford Mercury of all places but with the lady as Miss STUBBS.
Martin family, Scandal at Blaisdon
by Mike Pinchin , Bedford, England, Tuesday, April 08, 2014, 20:12 (3876 days ago) @ Jefff
The Cheltenham Chronicle adds that Miss STUBBS lived with her father at Blaisdon Hall and that the living was in their gift. There were two ladies complained about and they were sisters.
In the 1891 Census at Blaisdon Hall,
Peter STUBS 61 Lancashire and Cheshire landowner, born Lancashire
Isabella, Wife,63, born Cheshire
Peter, Son, 24, born Cheshire
Isabella, Daur, 20, born Cheshire
Elizabeth, Daur, 17, born Cheshire
Also visitor and servants
I guess this narrows it to two.
Martin family, Scandal at Blaisdon
by Mike Pinchin , Bedford, England, Tuesday, April 08, 2014, 20:37 (3876 days ago) @ Jefff
1901 Census, Blaisdon Hall
Isabella is in the same household with her husband Horace WATERS and an army of servants but no Elizabeth.
Does that leave one?