jenny savidge

I am looking for a Jenny Savidge who was looking for records of her great grandparents from Lydbrook in Gloucestershire, I think that her grandfather John Simmonds may be my grandmother's (annie simmonds) brother. Can anyone help me trace this lady?

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Hi Huw, welcome to the forum.
Am I right in understanding you're looking for a living Jenny who's been using this forum ?. Sorry if sounds a daft question, but I first thought you were searching for a Jenny Savidge from the past within the old parish records etc, that's the usual type of query we see here.

Was this abt 3 years ago ?.
If you click on "users" at topright by the search box, you can search all the users of the forum. There is a "jennysav" who I guess may be who you mean ?. If you click on her blue username, then click on the blue envelope icon, you can send an email direct to her computer inbox, assuming she hasn't changer her email address.
I hope this helps, good luck.

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"jennysav" is not the lady being sought and Jenny Savidge is no longer registered on this Forum.

Mike

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ok, thanks Mike, it's a shame that she is no longer on this site. Ah well, maybe someday I can make contact. I will keep my fingers crossed.
Thanks for your reply, Huw Davies

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Huw

If you are talking about John SIMMONDS marrying Elizabeth WYDE (as mentioned by Jenny) - there are 4 Public Members Trees on Ancestry with this couple.

Can you see your Annie SIMMONDS in the previous thread? what date was she born - and whom did she marry??

1911 census Abercan, Monmouthshire

John SIMMONDS/Elizabeth Ann WYDE (married 31 March 1902 Newport Register Office Monmouthshire)

children:

Private
William Walter - 1903-1974
Lilian May - 1904-1910
Harold John - 1907-1939
Sydney James - 1910
Cornelius - 1912-1999
Arthur - 1915-1976
Olwen - 1918-1988 - Jenny's Grandmother

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Hi MP, thanks for your reply, yes I think that my grandmother Annie was possibly a sister to John Simmonds, Annie was born in 1892 in Lydbrook and I believe she may also have had a sister named Harriet. I know her parents names were William Simmonds and Mary Green. I don't see her name in a previous thread as you said, in fact I don't see a previous thread. Sorry but I am pretty much a novice when it comes to searches. What would you suggest is the best way forward for me to research my family tree/history if you don't mind me asking. I was going to do it the old fashioned way and take a trip to Lydbrook and leave a little note in the local post office or public house, in fact I HAVE been to Lydbrook to look around but didn't have the names of my ancestors with me so I just drove through and promised myself to return one day.
Thank you, Huw Davies

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1911 Census, Aberdare Workman's Club

Annie SIMMONDS is age 20 single, General Domestic Servant born Sydbrook (on Ancestry) working for Eli LUCAS the Club Steward

As Huw mentions a sister Harriet - think this is the family and William is on his second marriage

Gloucestershirebdm:

William Edward SIMMONDS married Christiana JENKINS - Forest of Dean Register Office, Monmouth 1897

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1881 Census, West Dean

SIMMONDS

William - 28 - Shingler in Iron Works, born Lydbrook
Mary - 25 - born Peterstow Hereford *** (see possibly Mary GREEN on the 1861 census below)….
George B - 4 - born Staffordshire, Greets Green
Jane A - 2 - born Staffordshire, Greets Green

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1891 Census, Lydbrook

SIMMONS

William 38 - born Lydbrook
May (not transcribed as Mary) - age 37 - born Peterstone, (Peterstow) Hereford
George - 14 - born West Bromwich
Jane - 12 - born West Bromwich
John - 9
Mary - 7
William L - 6
Elizabeth L - 3
Harriet F - 1

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1901 census Aberdare, 12 Primrose Hill

SIMMONDS

Wm Edward - 47 - born Lydbrook
Christiannce - 29 - (wife) born Herefordshire, Peterdon (? is this Peterstow) ***
Wm Charles - 13 born Lydbrook (mother's maiden name GREEN - see Jeff's previous reply)
Harriet Francis - 11 born Lydbrook (ditto)
Annie - 8 born Lydbrook
Lilian - 5 born Herefordshire, Peterdon

1911 Census, 19 Gloucester Street, Aberdare

SIMMONDS

William - 59 - born East Dean
Christianna - 40 - married 15 years - 5 children born alive, two living, three dead - born Ross, Herefordshire
Lilian - 15 - born Ross
Frederick - 1 - born Aberdare

***

1881 Census, Peterstow

JENKINS

William 44
Jane - 52
Christina - 9

---Freebdm Christiana JENKINS - J/F/M Qtr 1872 Ross

Ancestry

Christiana JENKINS - baptism date 3 December 1871

Peterstow, Hereford

Parents: William and Jane JENKINS

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? think this is Mary Green - family names etc.

1861 Census, Peterstow, Herfordshire

GREEN

George - 33 - Carter - born Hentland, Herefordshire
Jane - 33 - all born Peterstow
Emma - 10
Jane - 8
Mary - 5
Sarah - 2
William MORRIS - 25 - Lodger - Born Peterstow
Mary Ann MORRIS - 22 - born Monmouth, Penrose
Elizabeth MORRIS - 2 months

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On the 1871 census, Mary is aged 17 and working as a Servant in Hentland, for Thomas MEATS, Farmer and his family

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Wow, thanks ever so much, it really is amazing what you guys can uncover. Much appreciated.
Regards, Huw Davies

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1901 Census, 27 Alma Street, Aberdare

DAVIES

Henry 48- Colliery Fireman below ground - born Pembroke
Sarah - 50 - born Carmathen
Henry Thomas - 24 - Coalminer
Albert Edwin - 14
Sarah Ann - 11

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1891 Wales Census, 12 Alma Street Aberdare

Language Spoken: WELSH

DAVIES

Henry - 37 - Coal Miner, born Tremsarshog Pembrokeshire (as transcribed)
Sarah - 39 - born Llanthefirent Carmarthenshire
William J - 16 all born Aberdare
Henry T - 14
Mary J - 13
John G - 10
Alfred D - 9
Evan L - 6
Albert E - 4
Sarah A - 1

There is Public Members Tree on Ancestry - (Steph) - who last logged in 4 days ago

and John G is John GRIFFITH DAVIES who married Belinda Elizabeth HALE - June 1900, Merthyr Tydfil

children Gwilym Arthur DAVIES - 1903 and Rose May DAVIES 1906

Belinda was born in Lydney according to this tree: parents Edwin Thomas HALE and Mary JONES

and 1901 Census 8 Alma Street

John Griffith DAVIES - 20 Coalminer, born Aberdare
Belinda Elizabeth DAVIES - 20 - born Lydney

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Gets more difficult to find Alfred DAVIES later census returns

???

1911 Census, 166 Caerphilly Road Eglwysilan

Alfred DAVIES - 30 Lodger, Widower, Miner underground, born Aberdare

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This is great thank you, I knew either Alfred or Annie had a brother called Evan (because I have a postcard to them from their brother Evan) but until now I didn't know who's brother he was.
And yes this is the correct family because I know for a fact that it was Alma street in Aberdare where they lived.
Thanks again for all your info, it is fantastic.

Regards, Huw Davies

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Thanks to MPG, "1891 Wales Census, 12 Alma Street Aberdare
Language Spoken: WELSH
DAVIES
Henry - 37 - Coal Miner, born Tremsarshog Pembrokeshire (as transcribed)
Sarah - 39 - born Llanthefirent Carmarthenshire"

Where & when were they born ?
I've tried to locate both these placenames in my atlas and also from the various placenames included within Pembrokeshire & Camarthenshire Districts off from the FreeBMD site, but no luck at all.
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/pem.html
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/carmarthen.html

Searching the births on FreeBMD shows far too many Henry Davies births and marriages to Sarahs, even in "just" Camarthenshire for example, so what now ???

Huw, I don't know if you're aware but even non-subscribers like me can use the Ancestry site's search engine to access the 1881 Census. Similarly the LDS aka Family Search site (see my earlier post) can be used to access all the Census' altho the 1881 is usually the only one for which you can get complete households in one page. Hence I've searched for Henry and Sarah and in 1881 they were already living in Alma Street Aberdare, but at Number 19 #. I cannot give an easy listing off Ancestry but usefully it states

1881 Census 19 Alma St Aberdare

Henry (coal miner) was born abt 1854 "Mathry, Pembrokeshire, Wales"
Sarah was born abt 1852 "Llanddevsant, Carmarthenshire, Wales"
Their children are William Jas (James) born abt 1875
Henry Thos (Thomas) born Aberdare abt 1877
Mary Jane born Aberdare abt 1878
John Griffiths born Aberdare abt 1880

HOWEVER I still CANNOT find "Llanddevsant", or anything similar, clearly we need tonhope the couple were married by the 1871 Census and hope that's more forthcoming ??.
However I can find Mathry, hurrah!. Henry Davies was born in North West Pembrokeshire on the coast midway twixt St Davids and Fishguard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathry
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Mathry/

The Genuki entry is quite helpfull if you wish to trace this back further.

The UKBMD site shows Mathry is in Haverfordwest District, ref http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/haverfordwest.html

So looking for Henry's birth record on FreeBMD in JUST this District and abt 1854 should be easier. However that site lists several Henry Davies' born abt that time & place; it rather looks like there are as many Henry Davies in Mathry as there were my William Jones in Lydbrook, not easy at all !. In this instance earlier Census records will hopefully be more helpfull and possibly include his parents/siblings ??

Sorry can't be more helpfull...

# thats IF the Ancestry transcription is correct, a curly 2 on the aforementioned 12 might easily look like a 19, etc. Ancestry often show some unlikely transcriptions, always best to read the actual Census form images yourself !

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Sarah's birthplace looks like Llanddeusant to me. It's about 10km south of Llandovery.

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Cheers Mike !. Oddly enough my atlas(quite a good close-scale one), did have said place listed in the index but it was on Anglesey, so I discounted it. Rather frustrating now to see that your one IS also in my atlas, but they couldn't bother to list it in the same index. One of my pet-hates !!

So a beautifull place.
http://llanddeusant.com/
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llanddeusant/

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Alfred married Annie Simmonds on June 24th 1911, they were living at 19 Gloucester street, Aberdare at that time.
they had 5 children that I have known in my lifetime
Sarah May born 1913
Alfred John 1915
Violet May 1918
Albert Edwin 1919
Lewis Bernard 1927 18th May (my dad)

They also had
William Henry 1912 23rd of May Merthyr Tydfil district, entry 175, book 203
Gwilym Thomas 1923 22nd July entry 142, book 236

Alfred and Annie emigrated to Canada in 1929, where Annie died in October of that year due to eclampsia. Alfred returned to Wales with his 5 children in either 1930 or 1931. Alfred took residence in Abergarwed, Resolven, Neath, soon after and remained there till his death in the mid to late 1940's

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"Alfred took residence in Abergarwed, Resolven, Neath, soon after and remained there till his death in the mid to late 1940's"

How sure are you of this date & place ?.
Did Alfred look "young" for his age, were their relatives around who knew his correct age, assuming they knew it accurately of course ?
Perhaps he had links with Coventry, war-work etc ?; could he possibly have died there and been returned home for Burial, the record would still say Coventry for example..

Searching FreeBMD, which offers good coverage for the FoD and South Wales areas, I cannot find a perfect fit Death Record; could he possibly have died in Coventry, say ?.

I also searched for "Davis" but with no more success.
(Unfortunately after 1911 only the initial of second etc names was recorded, not full names). Hopefully buying a full Death Certificate will confirm whether this is your Alfred.

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Deaths Dec 1942 (>99%)
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Davies Alfred D 65 Coventry 6d 714

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Deaths Mar 1949 (>99%)
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Davies Alfred D 80 Oakham 3c 606
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Deaths Jun 1950 (>99%)
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Davies Alfred D 60 Neath 8b 383

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Deaths Mar 1953 (>99%)
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DAVIES Alfred D 61 Bristol 7b 209

????

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Alfred definitely took residence in Abergarwed, and remarried I think on the 22nd May 1937 at Neath.
he married Mary Ann (maiden or previous married name not known) but was possibly born October 10th 1883

I'm not sure whether Alfred may have died on the 25th April 1946 or possibly 13th May 1946.

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Thanks Huw, sorry for doubting your views ref Alfred's death, you seemed unsure and I can only go on the Records I see. Thanks for the NHS numbers etc, but I've never used these before for FH purposes, perhaps best to delete them off your post for your own privacy ?.

Searching again for his Death Record I'm unable to find a clear definitive record on FreeBMD even when just seaarching mid 1946 !?

Thanks for mentioning his second marriage, that was much easier to find, again on FreeBMD;

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
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Marriages Jun 1937 (>99%)
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CLARKE Mary A Davies Neath 11a 1264
Davies Alfred D Clarke Neath 11a 1264

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

ie Alfred marries Mary A Clarke in Neath District in April/May/June 1937, as you know.

I cannot find an obvious Birth Record for Mary, altho of course she may also have been a widow, so may not have been born a Clarke.

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We know that William married a second time and finding the death/burial of his first wife Mary seems to be a problem. Could this be the missing link:

Deaths Dec 1895
Simmonds Polly 42 Westbury S. 6a 158

Year: 1895
Month: Nov
Day: 24
Surname: SYMONDS
Forenames: Polly
Residence: Park Cottages Lydbrook
Age_at_death: 42 years
Officiating_Minister: H. T. Hoitt Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P208 1N 1/12
Page_No: 39
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook

Mike

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Wikipedia

Polly is a nickname for Mary

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Annie married Alfred David Davies from Aberdare in Wales

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Hi Huw,
to search for previous/prior threads(ie discussions) on this forum, just enter the word/words you want to search for in the "search" box at top right, click the adjacent arrows "button" and wait to see what comes up. Clicking on each thread found will open that whole thread. Unfortunately the word Simmonds could have had different spellings/mispellings over the years, so look out for similar-sounding variations too eg Symonds, Simmons, etc. From mpg's post, I've seached the forum for the more unusual name "Elizabeth Wyde" and found this thread which is clearly the right one. It was indeed started by Jenny Savidge, however in this case her username is coloured black, not blue, showing she's no longer active on the forum.
The thread can be found by clicking here => http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=19377

I hope you find what you're looking for; if not ask & we'll try to help you.

If you want to find individual records of Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, click on the "Resources" heading at top left, then "Parish Records", and search from there.

I've searched the PRs for Annie born 1892 but no luck YET.
I've also tried the free sites GlosBMD & FreeBMD and have found her marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
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Davies Alfred D Merthyr T. 11a 1409
Davies John Merthyr T. 11a 1409
Jones Sarah Merthyr T. 11a 1409
Simmonds Annie Merthyr T. 11a 1409

ie the above Marriages were Registered in the June quarter (April, May, or June) of 1911 in Merthyr Tydfil District. This includes Aberdare, see here http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/merthyr%20tydfil.html

These were found from this free website http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

PURELY a guess, but I wonder if the other Marriage was Alfred's relative/brother ??

Not certain yet as quite a common name in South Wales, as the FreeBMD results list will show you, but IF Alfred was definitely from Aberdare aka "Merthyr T" District, then this looks like possibly his Birth Registration, again from FreeBMD;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Births Jun 1882 (>99%)
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Davies Alfred David Merthyr T. 11a 538

Sadly no clue as to his mother's maiden name, that was only recorded post 1911.

Can also see this Birth, could this be Alfred and Annie's, I wonder ???
Births Jun 1911 (>99%)
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Davies Alfred D Merthyr T. 11a 812

BACK to Annie, searching GlosBMD gives her Birth record, shows mother as Green as you know;

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
SIMMONDS Annie SIMMONDS SIMMONDS GREEN 1892 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 63 265

From the GlosBMD website here http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx

This Birth was registered in the Oct/Nov/December Quarter according to FreeBMD
Births Dec 1892 (>99%)
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Simmonds Annie Westbury, S. 6a 229

(NOTE !: FreeBMD shows there were a LOT of Annie Simmonds abt this time and area !!!)

However I'm still unable to find Annie's (or even Ann's etc) Baptism record in this sites PRs ?
Similarly I'm unable to find a Marriage twixt William Simmonds and Mary Green in the PRs, under any spelling. Similarly thusfar not in FreeBMD either, altho this site requires exact spelling matches and I havent tried all the varations, yet. I'm VERY happy to be proven wrong tho, can anyone help please ??
Just revisited the prior thread, dont think I can see these records there either, altho the Census records helpfully show William C Simmonds as born Lydbrook c1853 and Mary Green born Peterstow Herefds abt 1856.

FreeBMD shows that Peterstow came under "Ross District", which means our Mary should be one of these Births, but which ?;

Births Dec 1855 (>99%)
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Green Mary Ross 6a 367
Green Mary Ann Ross 6a 375

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Births Dec 1856 (>99%)
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Green Mary Hereford 6a 384

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Births Mar 1857 (>99%)
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Green Mary Ross 6a 417

Hopefully the 1911 Census will include both William and Mary, this Census will give their approximate Marriage year.

Searching GlosBMD site for ALL Simmonds/Green births gives the following including a John and a Harriet !. Matching the second post from the prior thread - 1891 Census;

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
SIMMONDS John, SIMMONDS SIMMONDS GREEN 1881 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 39 230
SIMMONDS Mary, SIMMONDS SIMMONDS GREEN 1883 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 41 160
SIMMONDS William Charles, SIMMONDS SIMMONDS GREEN 1885 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 43 18
SIMMONDS Elizabeth Louise, SIMMONDS SIMMONDS GREEN 1887 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 44 404
SIMMONDS Harriet Frances, SIMMONDS SIMMONDS GREEN 1889 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 46 307
SIMMONDS Annie, SIMMONDS SIMMONDS GREEN 1892 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 63 265

I can only find their firstborn in this site's PRs;

Record_ID: 107429
Entry_Number: 751
Year: 1881
Month: Jun
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: SYMONDS
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lydbrook
Occupation: Shinglar
Officiating_Minister: John Wilkinson
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born May 8
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 3/3
Page_Number: 94
Parish_Chapel: West Dean Methodist
Soundex: S553

Hoping your reading of the prior thread will help you ?.
Looking forward to your response to that thread and my offerings thus far,
cheers, J

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Hi Jeff, Thank you very much for your superb post, I am in awe of your knowledge and your geneaology skills. In regard to your post, I have found a few items of interest (to me) here at home such as some birth certificates and a copy of Alfred and Annie's wedding certificate. I also have a copy of Annie,s death certificate, she died of eclampsia in Canada after they emigrated there in 1929.(Alfred returned to Wales with his five children soon after).
Alfred and Annie were wed on 24th June 1911, in the district of Merthyr Tydfil, page 69 entry no. 137
their place of residence at that time was 19 Gloucester street, Aberdare.
Alfred's Parents names were Henry and Sarah
Annie's parents names were William Edward Simmonds, and Mary (Green)
Alfred was born on the 27th March 1882 in the Merthyr Tydfil district, book of births no 109, entry no 194
Annie was born in 1892 in Lydbrook, and died 29th October 1929
Alfred and Annie had five children that I knew of (my dad being the youngest of those five) but I knew there were more siblings who either died at birth or at a very young age, and whilst looking through all my dad's old papers I have come across two birth certificates of older brothers of his who died at a young age.

Thank you for your help and information it is a lot to take in in one reading so I will pour over this many times I'm sure over the immediate future.

Thanks once again, Huw Davies

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Good morning Huw,
I'm pleased you found our combined efforts helpfull, a big thanks to YOU for your kind words. From my viewpoint I don't have great knowledge particularly, I was just applying the basics using some free websites that I thought you could also find useful, altho my regular usage of them does help of course as they can be tricky to use at first. I've only been doing FH work for about five years now, and I'm so pleased to have found this great FoD site, easily one of the very best online resources in the UK, we're so lucky !
This prior thread may help you further wrt the various online FH resources that I've tried to introduce to you (sorry if I've overdone my explanations, but your post indicated you needed a little help in the right direction).
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=35197

To be honest it's the other forum members who have the real skills for digging out the hard-to-find things using lateral thinking; "out of the box" I think they call it these days in some parts, whereas I should probably be locked-away in one !

Another great free website that I use a lot is Genuki, great for getting a Victorian perspective of places and sometimes their inhabitants. I thought I knew the geography of our area fairly well, but so often I come across new places and I turn to Genuki. One of these was Hentland, Herefordshire, mentioned on one of MPG's Census returns above. I didn't recognise the name, but I now realise I've played cricket there in the past !. I think it's another rural village/hamlet that's almost disappeared off the modern maps as people's work habits and hence addresses have changed.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HEF/Hentland/Gaz1868.html

Sometimes the Genuki site will also include Census data, photos, maps etc, the site covers the whole UK, always worth a look in my opinion.

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By coincidence here my father was born in Lydbrook, his father and forefathers were colliers there, although during the time of the 1861 Census they were living and working in Aberdare; small world eh !...
A real interest of mine is industrial history, I think I saw a mention of Lydbrook tinplaters in this thread, we've discussed that subject, both in Lydbrook and into Wales, plus of course coal and iron working have all been discussed in depth. eg prior threads re tinworking
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=42302
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=entry&id=38179
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=38178

Back to your researches, in truth it's me who is truly in awe of you !
My family have hardly any old photos never mind original documents, I'm really pleased for you that you still have your family's original letters and certificates, a great treasure.

All the very best with your researches, thanks for posting,
Jeff

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Hi Jeff, yes I am looking for a Jenny Savidge who posted on here about three years ago, I saw that she was looking for records of the same people as I have been looking for. Apparently our grandparents may have been brother and sister and it would be great to try to find out a bit more of our ancestry. Thank you for your reply, I hope that I can catch up with this lady sometime to widen my knowledge of our family tree.
Thank you again, Huw Davies

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hello I have had to re register and understand someone was trying to offer some information on my grt grandfather john simmonds and his family from Lydbrook . I love to hear from u . thanks jenny

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Jeff i am here ! i have have been away for some time , due to my marriage break up , i ve only just started to get back into the swing of things again , id love to hear from u maybe we can swap email details. jenny

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This is from another Fod Member and to update from previous threads

Marriage 9 May 1852 at Christchurch

John SIMMONS - Bachelor, Foreman, residence, Lidbrook
father: William SIMMONS, labourer
married
Ann MEREDITH - Spinster, residence, Lidbrook
father: Thomas MEREDITH

1871 Census, Forge Road, Monmouth

SIMMONDS

John - 40 - Hammerman in Forge, born New Weir, Gloucester
Ann - 43 - born Maistow, Herefordshire
William C (but reads E) son - 18 - (c1853) Forgeman, born Lydbrook **
Catherine Sarah - 12 - born Lydbrook
James - 10 - born Ellwood
Cornelius - 5 - born Garston Knowl?
Harry - 7 - born Lydbrook
Anne - 3 - born Lydbrook

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Looking at the Fod records for people living at New Weir - this appears to be Whitchurch

????? William & Mary SYMONDS have a Robert christened in 1827 and a William +

John SYMONDS, christened at Whitchurch - 30 April 1830 - William (Bargeman) and Mary: residence, Over Wye

______________________________________________

Then looking at the 1861 census West Dean

SIMMONDS

John - 30 - Hammerman, born New Weir
Ann - 33 Dressmaker, born Brelstone Marston
Eleanor Mary - 6 - born Lydbrook **
George Patridge Meredith - 4 **
Catherine Sarah - 2 **
James - 3 Months **

? no sign of William - where is he (was he born pre marriage???) census returns dob 1852/1853/1854

Looking at Glosbdm - Eleanor Mary SIMMONDS - born 1854 - mother's maiden name TINGLE or is this another Eleanor (no other SIMMONDS/TINGLE births….
George Patridge SIMMONDS - 1857 - mother's maiden name MEREDITH
Catherine Sarah 1859 - mother's maiden name MEREDITH
James - 1861 - mother's maiden name MEREDITH

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? where is Ann MEREDITH 1851 census before her marriage

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Ann's baptism from Parish Records on this site:

Year: 1828
Month: Feb
Day: 10
Parents_Surname: MEREDITH
Child_Forenames: Ann
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Brelston`s Green
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: M H Jones Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: CJ13/1
Page_Number: 14
Parish_Chapel: Marstow

1841 England Census
Herefordshire Pencombe Llangarren District 2
Trebandy House, Parish of Marstow
Given Name Surname Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country
Henry Dowle 30 1811 Male
Elizabeth Dowle 25 1816 Female Herefordshire England
Henry Dowle 3 1838 Male Herefordshire England
Fanny Dowle 2 1839 Female Herefordshire England
Hannah Price 20 1821 Female Servant Herefordshire England
Anne Meredith 15 1826 Female Servant Herefordshire England

Mike

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Ann Meredith now found in the 1851 Census. Surname transcribed as Merredick

1851 Census,
Lydbrook Hill
House Number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place
57 Thos Merredick Head 46 1805 Male Hd St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England
57 Ann Merredick Daughter 23 1828 Female Marstow, Herefordshire, England
57 Thos John Merredick Grandson 2 1849 Male East Deane

This tells us that Ann's father was born in the Forest of Dean.

Possible baptism?

Year: 1803
Month: Aug
Day: 28
Parents_Surname: MEREDITH
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P138 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 11
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor

Thomas John Meredith born 1848 was born out of wedlock:

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MEREDITH Thomas John MEREDITH 1848 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 8 431

Could Ann be his mother?

This appears to be his marriage:
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
MEREDITH Thomas HARPER Sarah Ann Forest of Dean Monmouth Register Office Closed 1870 7 147

Mike

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Yes, you're right again MPG,
John Simmonds' birthplace "New Weir" was indeed just south of Whitchurch on the Wye, not far from Lydbrook and more precisely and rather appropriately at Symonds Yat !. This was an important centre of industry many decades before John worked there.
http://www.overlookingthewye.org.uk/index.php/hidden-industry/new-weir-forge/

This Map shows the area, http://www.forest-of-dean.net/index.php/resources/15-maps/95-new-weir-symonds-yat-1890
Some general photos of the Yat area http://www.forest-of-dean.net/index.php/symonds-yat

More history ref the New Weir ironworks/forge here
http://www.historic-images.co.uk/herefordshire/symonds-yat

John's wife Anne was probably born at Marstow, just a mile or so north of Whitchurch.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HEF/Marstow/Gaz1868.html

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http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=2383

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Thanks S, and especially for clarifying it's Whitchurch in Herefordshire, not the one near Cardiff (as I tend to think first of !), or indeed in Shropshire, or Hants, or ....

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I am looking for a Jenny Savidge who was looking for records of her great grandparents from Lydbrook in Gloucestershire, I think that her grandfather John Simmonds may be my grandmother's (annie simmonds) brother. Can anyone help me trace this lady?

http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=19378

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Hi Slowhands, good to see you back :-)

Yes the thread you mention was indeed the one Huw was thinking of, we found and discussed it earlier in this thread.

Hoping to see more of you on the forum, atb J

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hello I have had to reregister on site. but here I am . and look forward to hearing from you re simmonds of Lydbrook jenny

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Hi Jenny, my name is Huw Davies and I am from Resolven near Neath in South Wales. I have been looking to find some information on my grandmothers family as no-one in the family seems to have much info at all, it would be nice to find some distant cousins out there. My grandmother was Annie Simmonds from Lydbrook and I believe that she had a sister called Harriet and I think there is a possibility that your grandfather/great grandfather John may have been her brother. I believe that the family moved to Aberdare where Annie met my grandfather and started their own family. I would love to be able to share any info with you or any member of your family if it is at all possible. I am contactable by email.

cheers, Huw

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if anyone knows jenny can you please pass on the message that I still look on here most days to see if she has written a reply, I would really like to know more about her grandfathers side of the family. cheers, Huw Davies

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I meant great grandfathers

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i have been away from the site for sometime now i understand someone is trying to get in contact with me regarding the family of simmonds , please get in touch here i can send you my email jenny

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could someone please make contact with jenny again to tell her that I cannot email her until she ticks the "email box" in her profile. thank you.

Huw Davies

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hello
i think we could be distant cousins i have been away from this site for sometime , please feel free to contact me on here , we can swap emails jenny

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HUW
i think you are correct john was my great grandfather did have have both an Annie and a Harriet as sibling s, Making us distant cousins , my dad john marshall is alive and well and like me lives in Kent , he is in touch with some of the older Simonds family . AND I AM HAPPY TO PROVIDE OR HELP IN ANY SHAPE WITH THE FAMILY TREE. YOUR COUSIN JENNY

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Fantastic. Hi Jenny it feels great to have finally made contact with you, I'm sure we could have lots of family info to share and I look forward to learning more from your great granddad's side. It is quite amazing how a family tree expands over the generations and I am fascinated with each and every new branch that I come across. I shall look for your email address and make contact with you ( I really don't know where to start but I'm sure we can find that starting point somewhere.) I shall email you soon with an introduction of who I am and a brief explanation of my family (and heading back a few generations until we can match up our heritage).
I look forward to what's in store. Cheers, Huw Davies

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Hi Jenny, I cannot make contact with you until you check the box saying "email - contactable by others" which can be found by clicking on your username at the top of the page. Talk soon. Huw.

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