Alice Nelson Jones Forest of Dean

I'm trying to search for my 2nd great grandmothers family. The only census records I have are after her marriage to Edwin Taylor in 1884 in Staffordshire, aged 21 which gives her birth year as abt 1864. on the censuses her place of birth is Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire. Her full name and the name on the marriage cert is Alice Nelson Jones but the only birth I've found was in Warwickshire and the fathers name is wrong, he was William whereas Alices father was Richard Jones, he was deceased by the time of her marriage and his occupation was a coal miner.
Any help would be very much appreciated, I've been trying to find this for years and still get nowhere.
Thanks.

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A little background:-

Source: FreeBMD:

Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%)
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Baker Mary Dudley 6c 133
Jones Alice Nelson Dudley 6c 133
Taylor Edwin Dudley 6c 133
Wotton Samuel Dudley 6c 133

1891 England Census
5 Burtons Row,
Rawmarsh,
Yorkshire.

Edwin Taylor - Head - M - 29 - Labourer - Bromley, Staff
Abace [sic] Taylor - Wife - M - 27 - Gloucester
Alice Taylor - daur - sing - 9 - Scholar - Bromley, Staff
Ezekiah [sic] Taylor - son - 3 - Scholar - Bromley, Staff
Florence Taylor - daur - 1 - Park Gate, Yorks

Living next door at number 4 are Edwin's mother Maria and brother Joseph.

Source: FreeBMD:

Marriages Sep 1895 (>99%)
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Evans John Rotherham 9c 934
Taylor Alice Rotherham 9c 934
Thickett Godfrey Rotherham 9c 934
Wood Ann Rotherham 9c 934

1901 England Census
14 Nodder Street,
Rawmarsh,
Yorkshire.

Godfrey Thickett - Head - M - 52 - Coal Hewer - Barnsley, Yorks
Alice Thickett - Wife - M - 39 - Gloucester, Gloucester
Hezekiah Taylor - Step Son - S - 13 - Coal Pony Driver Underground - Brierley Hill, Staffs
Florence Taylor - Step Daur - S - 11 - Parkgate, Yorks
George Taylor - Step Son - S - 10 - Parkgate, Yorks
Elizabeth Thickett - Daur - S - 5 - Parkgate, Yorks
Thomas Thickett - Son - S - 4 - Parkgate, Yorks
Walter Thickett - Son - S - 1 - Parkgate, Yorks
Arthur Thickett - Son - S - 2 mon - Parkgate, Yorks

1911 England Census
20 High Street,
Rawmarsh,
Yorkshire

Godfrey Thickett - Head - 64 - Married - Miners Labourer - Barnsley, Yorkshire
Alice Thickett - Wife - 48 - Married - 16/5/4/1 - Forest of Dean, Gloucester
Elizabeth Thickett - Daur - 15 - Single - Rawmarsh, Yorkshire
Thomas Thickett - Son - 13 - Milkman - Rawmarsh, Yorkshire
Walter Thickett - Son - 11 - School - Rawmarsh, Yorkshire
Caroline Thickett - Daur - 7 - Rawmarsh, Yorkshire
Hezehiah Taylor - Step Son - 23 - Single - Miner Corperal [sic] - Brierley Hill, Stafford

Source: FreeBMD:

Deaths Mar 1921 (>99%)
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

THICKETT Alice 56 Rotherham 9c 846

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Thanks for that info...I have all that already, I have her marriage cert too. It's the birth and her parents I'm struggling with, the only birth for an Alice Nelson Jones was 1859 in Warwickshire which is not the right one as it's 5 years earlier than her birth year on the censuses and it also gives a different name for her father.
There doesn't appear to be an Alice Nelson Jones birth in Gloucestershire and I'm beginning to wonder whether the 'Nelson' was added later, but in the family bible it gives her surname as Nelson. Her father on her marriage cert is Richard Jones, so the Jones part is right, unless she was adopted?

Thanks again for looking, it's very much appreciated :)

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Here on this site there are many people who are more than willing to help with your research. However, to do so they require you to give as much information as possible. In responding to your original posting I attempted to help researchers by giving some of the detail. You say that you have information from a family bible and marriage certificate. It may be helpful if you are able to share that information. Also, when you registered you declined to have your email address contactable. You may wish to review your decision.

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I didn't realise I'd declined to have my e-mail registered, I will try to amend that.

The details I have are as follows:
Alice Nelson Jones born abt 1863 Gloucestershire.
Father Richard Jones...no more information on him.

The family bible gives the marriage of Alice Nelson Jones to Edwin Taylor, the only other details in there are the children, there are no details of the father Richard or any of the Jones family, just the Taylors. Alice and Edwin married at Lower Gornall, Sedgeley, Staffordshire 15 June 1884. Alice was a spinster aged 21, Edwin a bachelor aged 23, both were residing at Bromley. Witnesses James Clark, Maria Bate.

The census details are listed in the post.

Children of Alice and Edwin:
Alice Maria Taylor born 31 March Pensett Stafforshire. Married Joseph Blakesley 27 March 1904, Rawmarsh, Rotherham. Moved to Crosshills then Farnhill, North Yorkshire in 1929. Alice M died 21 Nov 1965 in Raikeswood hospital Skipton, N Yorks.

May Taylor born 28 Aug 1885, Staffordshire, died the same year.

Hezekiah Taylor born 4 Dec 1887, Brierly Hill, Staffordshire. Spouse Florrie White, married 17 April 1911, Rotherham. I don't have a death record for Hezekiah.

Florence Taylor born 9 Feb 1890, Parkgate, Rawmarsh. unmarried. 1911 census patient in Wadsley lunatic asylum, Ecclesfield. No death date.

George E Taylor born 31 March 1891, no more details.

Albert Edwin Taylor born 14 Dec 1893, died 8 May 1894, Rotherham.

Edwin Taylor born 22 Nov 1894, no more details.

Edwin Taylor spouse of Alice N Jones was born Kingswinford, Staffordshire 1862. Died 3 Nov 1894.

Alice went on to marry Godfrey Thickett in Rotherham in 1895. They had five chldren:
Elizabeth born 1896 Rawmarsh.
Walter born 1900 Rawmarsh.
Caroline born 1904 Rawmarsh.
Thomas born 1897 Rawmarsh.
Arthur born 1901 Rawmarsh.

Alice N Jones (Thickett) died 13 Jan 1921 in Rotherham.

That is all the main details I have on the family, I do have census records and probate, military etc for other members of the Taylor family including my Great Grandma Alice Maria Taylor (Blakesley).

I didn't intend to offend anyone in any way, I totally appreciate the help given.

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First of all I support Paul's comments. Secondly I have looked at this case and decided to start by looking at baptisms with names similar to the ones given. I appreciate that this is a long shot but here goes:

First of all a baptism:
Year: 1865
Month: Mar
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: MALSON
Child_Forenames: Alice
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Caroline
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Mitcheldean
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: C E Dighton Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [Daughter of]
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 27
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

Then the first available Census:

1871 Census
Household schedule number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country
19 Thos Brepryton Head 45 1826 Male Colesbourne Gloucestershire England
19 Sarah Brepryton Wife 44 1827 Female Mitcheldean
19 Janet Brepryton Daughter 16 1855 Female Coberley Wiltshire England
19 Ellen Brepryton Daughter 14 1857 Female Coberley Wiltshire England
19 Thom Brepryton Son 12 1859 Male Coberley Wiltshire England
19 George Brepryton Son 10 1861 Male Coberley Wiltshire England
19 Angus Brepryton Daughter 8 1863 Coberley Wiltshire England
19 John Henry Son 6 1865 Male Coberley Wiltshire England
19 Janet Sargg Visitor 78 1793 Female Pembroks, Seamer
19 Caroline Matson Visitor 38 1833 Female Mitcheldean Gloucestershire England
19 Alice Matson Visitor 6 1865 Female Mitcheldean Gloucestershire England

This tells us that father is not with the family so we look for a burial:
Year: 1867
Month: Oct
Day: 23
Surname: MALSON
Forenames: Richard
Residence: Mitcheldean
Age_at_death: 40
Officiating_Minister: C.E. Dighton Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [not sta
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 220 in 1/9
Page_No: 81
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

Next the 1881 Census and we find Alice in the area in which she married:
Address Given Name Surname Relationship to Head Marital Status Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Occupation Birth City Birth County Birth Country
174 Dudley St James Holland Head Married 46 1835 Male Currier Dudley Worcestershire England
174 Dudley St Elizabeth Holland Wife Married 44 1837 Female Brierley Hill Staffordshire England
174 Dudley St Spencer Holland Son 16 1865 Male Scholar Brierley Hill Staffordshire England
174 Dudley St Frederick Holland Son 14 1867 Male Scholar Cradley Heath Staffordshire England
174 Dudley St Jenne ? Holland Daughter 12 1869 Female Scholar Cradley Heath Staffordshire England
174 Dudley St Ralph Holland Son 9 1872 Male Scholar Cradley Heath Staffordshire England
174 Dudley St Frank Holland Son 8 1873 Male Scholar Brierley Hill Staffordshire England
174 Dudley St Harry Holland Son 3 1878 Male Brierley Hill Staffordshire England
174 Dudley St Alice Manson Servant 16 1865 Female Domestic Servant Mitcheldean Gloucestershire

Finally Caroline's second marriage.
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
JONES John MALSOM Caroline Gloucester Gloucester St Michael Building Comments 1871 35x No 2 269
JONES John TRIGG Caroline Gloucester Gloucester St Michael Building Comments 1871 35x No 2 269

Her Baptism:
Year: 1831
Month: Mar
Day: 5
Parents_Surname: TRIGG
Child_Forenames: Caroline
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Mitchel Dean
Occupation: Wheelwright
Officiating_Minister: George Cox Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 220 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 53
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

And first marriage:
Year: 1851
Month: Jun
Day: 14
Grooms_Surname: MELSOM
Grooms_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Age: of age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: Aston Ingham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Melsom
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer Ma[illegible]
Brides_Surname: TRIGG
Brides_Forenames: Caroline
Brides_Age: of age
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Aston Ingham
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Trigg
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Wheelwright
Licence_or_Banns: [not stated]
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Elizabeth Hook
Witness_2: John Aubrey
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Hy L Whatley
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AR90/7
Page_Number: 41
Parish_Chapel: Aston Ingham

Mike

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Hello Mike,

This is not a long shot, there is a reference to an Alice Malsom in my family bible but I didn't realise it was in relation to this side of the family, the bible is very sketchy with details and wasn't completed, there were no other details of Alice Malsom just her name.

I have been trying to find her for over 15 years and got nowhere, no wonder. I wonder why her father was named Jones.

I apologise if I came across as offensive, it wasn't intentional and I hadn't realised that my e-mail address wasn't logged, I've now amended that. I do go onto some forums for help and usually just expected to be concise so once again please accept my apology.

Thankyou for your help, it's much appreciated and I can now add these details to my family tree and hopefully carry on with more research into this family.

It's nice that there are people like yourselves who are willing to take time to help other people and I myself try to do the same for other people when I can.

Regards,

Mandy.

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Thanks for sharing the additional information about Alice Malsom in your family bible.

I can assure you that you have not offended anybody, and I hope that members here are able to help you resolve your query.

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Hello Paul,

I would have mentioned her earlier if I'd realised the significance, as soon as I saw the details on here I knew it was the right one, it makes sense now, it seems obvious that the registrar who completed the marriage certificate mistook Malsom for Nelson. It feels such a relief to know now after all this time and I can't thank you all enough, I really am in awe of how you find these things so quickly, this forum was my final avenue as I'd tried just about everywhere and everything else and was about to give up hope.

My great grandmother was a lovely woman, she was the one who wrote the family bible details, it makes me wonder if she didn't know much about her father Richard as he wasn't mentioned at all, neither was her step father John Jones, just her husbands family the Taylors. My grandmother died last year aged 99, the house belonged to her mother and I'm in the process of sorting the house, that's where I came across the bible among other papers and certificates of her mothers. There was nothing there relating to the Jones or Malsoms.

I will let you know if I find anything else of interest with the Malsom/Jones families then it may help other people who may be researching the same family.

Many thanks.

Mandy.

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*I meant grandfather Richard*

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Just a thought, I think it may be worthwhile me sending off for her second marriage cert to see if anything is any different on that one ie her middle name and her fathers name.

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