Hannah PRITCHARD Nee Payne/Parsons ? (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Thursday, December 04, 2014, 00:40 (3643 days ago) @ patsy

Hi Patsy,
you say

"BMD has PHILIP PRI(T)CHARD father JAMES m. HANNAH PARSONS 1856 but she is described as m. 1856 HANNAH PAYNE on this site."

First, when you say BMD, do you mean FreeBMD or GlosBMD ?. Or maybe both ?; ideally they should both show the same records but I don't think that's always true, but am happy to be told otherwise.

This (FoD)site's PR does indeed say Hannah Payne, a WIDOW, and describes her father as Patrick BROWN. The Marriage is in 1853.

Record_ID: 1215
Entry_Number: 147
Year: 1853
Month: Oct
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: PRICHARD
Grooms_Forenames: Philip
Grooms_Age: full age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Blakeney
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Prichard
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: PAYNE
Brides_Forenames: Hannah
Brides_Age: full age
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Blakeney
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Brown
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Patrick
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Farmer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Mark
Witness_1: Mark of Jeremiah Long[?]
Witness_2: Thomas Cadogan
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J. H. Malpas Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P30 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 74
Parish_Chapel: Awre
Soundex_Groom: P626
Soundex_Bride: P500

Normally such a PR would imply that Hannah's maiden name was Brown, and she's the widow of previous husband Payne.

However as you say FreeBMD states;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Dec 1853 (>99%)
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Parsons Hannah Westbury on S. 6a 397
Prichard Philip Westbury .S. 6a 397

Knowing that FreeBMD is very fussy about spellings, I've repeated searches for marriages 1850-1856 of all variations of Phil(l)ip Pri(t)chard, but cannot find any other records.

Repeating the search on GlosBMD, which is usually more receptive to mispellings, even here we must still search both variations of Pri(t)chard separately, but still only finds;

Marriage Details

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
PRICHARD Philip PARSONS Hannah Forest of Dean Awre St Andrew 1853 1 148
PRICHARD Philip BROWN Hannah Forest of Dean Awre St Andrew 1853 1 148

As you probably know this is GlosBMD's usual way of showing the bride is a Mrs Parsons, nee Brown; so matches the FreeBMD info.
I suggest you request a check of the original PR, it's not inconceivable that a poorly-handwritten "Payne" could have been incorrectly transcribed as "Parsons" ?
Hopefully that is the explanation here.
Equally, such a mistake could also have occurred when the original PR was transcribed for the official BMD entries, I believe a separate process to the later transcriptions of the PRs on this FoD site.
(see this form http://www.forest-of-dean.net/index.php/record-corrections)

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Searching her father for possible clues, I cannot find ANY Patrick Brown(e) at all in the FoD PRs.
There are several within GlosBMD, but all long after the 1853 marriage. The name Patrick does perhaps backup Hannah's "born Ireland" claim in 1881.
As I'm sure you have done too, I've searched for Hannah/Anna Parsons/Payne/Brown within GlosBMD hoping to find a previous marriage etc, but without luck.

I see from Ancestry that the 1881 Census shows Hannah's birth in Ireland as "abt 1819".
My very quick glance at her neighbours doesn't show any obvious relatives eg Pritchard, but maybe worth further scrutiny

Ancestry also shows her in the 1901 Census, "born Ireland abt 1810, living alone in Viney Woodside, Blakeney, Awre.

And in the 1861 Wales Census, a Monmouth household has the following lodgers;

Phillip Pritchard, age 34 (born abt 1827), Ag Lab born Monmouth,
Hannah Pritchard, age 36 (born abt 1825), born Cork, Ireland,
Caroline Pritchard, age 3 (born abt 1858), born Blakeney, Glos,
Jane Pritchard, age 1, (born abt 1860), born Blakeney, Glos.

(I cannot read the given address, looks like ????bridge Street ?. They are next door to the Red Lion inn. The only online reference to such a place suggests it is now part Monmouth's Haberdashers School;
"More modern developments include the Hall of 1961, redeveloped in the early 21st century and now the Blake Theatre, the Red Lion Block of the same date (currently being redeveloped)" ?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monmouth_School.
Sadly my poorly pc cannot currently access any of the Old Maps websites for further clues.

Ignoring the parents' given ages, the names and birthplaces seem a VERY good match !

Finally, the 1871 England Census for Bream's Eaves has this household;
Phillip Pritchard, born abt 1819, Monmouth, a labourer with "bad sight"
Anne Pritchard, born abt 1821, Cork Ireland
Caroline Pritchard, born abt 1859, Blakeney Glos
Jane Pritchard, born abt 1861, Blakeney Glos
Elizabeth Pritchard, born abt 1854, Dixton S.Wales.

(continued)

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LATER UPDATE!

Ref witness Thomas CADOGAN at Phillip and Hannah's marriage, please see this new post and the Cadogan thread it's linked into, thanks.
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=entry&id=45157