Edith & Ephraim BAGLIN, Christchurch / Berry Hill (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Sunday, January 04, 2015, 15:20 (3620 days ago) @ dink999

Excellent stuff, thanks Dave !
So the Baglin brother was indeed in the "Borderers", be good to see his Army details if possible, thanks.

So from this site's PRs;

Record_ID: 263870
Entry_Number:
Year: 1936
Month: Dec
Day: 3
Surname: BAGLIN
Forenames: Edith
Residence: Coleford
Age_at_death: 96
Officiating_Minister: Wyndham Jones vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/16
Page_No: 69
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: B245

So Edith was born abt 1840. Cannot find her Baptism, this could be her birth record ?

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
HAWKINS Edith HAWKINS HAWKINS ADAMS 1840 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 1 383
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Record_ID: 2373
Entry_Number: 148
Year: 1861
Month: Dec
Day: 8
Grooms_Surname: BAGLIN
Grooms_Forenames: Ephraim
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Five Acres
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Baglin
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: HAWKINS
Brides_Forenames: Edith
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Five Acres
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hawkins
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Engineer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Oliver Baglin
Witness_2: Rhoda Hawkins
Other_Witnesses: None
Officiating_Minister: W. H. Taylor
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: -
Notes: -
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 74
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex_Groom: B245
Soundex_Bride: H252

Record_ID: 263583
Entry_Number:
Year: 1925
Month: Apr
Day: 1
Surname: BAGLIN
Forenames: Ephraim
Residence: Berry Hill
Age_at_death: 88
Officiating_Minister: A Hoyle vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/16
Page_No: 33
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: B245

So Ephraim born abt 1837, fits nicely wrt wife Edith.

Looks like their daughter Edith ?, born abt 1880;

Record_ID: 26161
Entry_Number: 392
Year: 1903
Month: Nov
Day: 7
Grooms_Surname: PRICE
Grooms_Forenames: William James
Grooms_Age: 26
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Quarryman
Grooms_Residence: Coalway Coleford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Price
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Quarryman
Brides_Surname: BAGLIN
Brides_Forenames: Edith
Brides_Age: 23
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: Domestic Servant
Brides_Residence: Christ Church Berry Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Baglin
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Ephraim
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Sydney Price
Witness_2: Fanny Gwilliam
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Edward H. Brice
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 93 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 196
Parish_Chapel: Coleford
Soundex_Groom: P620
Soundex_Bride: B245

And her son ?

Record_ID: 6475
Entry_Number: 758
Year: 1903
Month: Jan
Day: 18
Parents_Surname: BAGLIN
Child_Forenames: Ephraim James
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Edith
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Berry Hill
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: C. Barnes
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Dec 8th 1902
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 95
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: B245

My how my memory's failing, just realised we discussed Ephraim Baglin b1837 only weeks ago !
see this thread http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=45071
This prior thread suggests this may be Ephraim's family in

1851, at Joyford Hill.
Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth Place.
Thomas Baglin Head 33 1818 Male West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Sophia Baglin Wife 31 1820 Female West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
John Baglin Son 16 1835 Male West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Ann Baglin Daughter 15 1836 Female West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Maria Baglin Daughter 12 1839 Female West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Emma Baglin Daughter 9 1842 Female West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Fanny Baglin Daughter 11 Mo 1850 Female West Dean, Gloucestershire, England

The PRs give the corresponding baptisms to parents Thomas(as per his marriage Record) and Sophia(possibly).

Year Parents_Surname Child_Forenames Fathers_Forenames Mothers_Forenames Mothers_Surname Residence Occupation Parish_Chapel
1833 BAGLIN John, Thomas & Sophia, Joyford Collier Christchurch
1836 BAGLIN Eliza, Thomas & Sophia, Joyford Collier Christchurch
1837 BAGLIN Mary Anne, Thomas & Sophia, Joyford Collier Christchurch
1838 BAGLIN Mira, Thomas & Sophia, Mount Pleasant Collier Christchurch
1841 BAGLIN Emma, Thomas & Sophia, of Coleford Coleford Wesleyan Methodist
1843 BAGLIN Jane, Thomas & Sophia, of Joyford Glos Coleford Wesleyan Methodist

Searching all Baptisms for father Thomas Baglin gives another "possible", but not a soldier;
1840 BAGLIN Mary Anne, Thomas & Ellen, Joyford Collier Christchurch

SO could the soldier have been John Baglin b1835, possibly a little old for a battle in 1879 ?.
OR maybe it is his possible half-brother William Herbert b1822, as helpfully pointed out by MPG earlier ?. This might explain why Ephraim uses the name William again for his own son b25.4.1877(wrt Scowles School Register), perhaps in memory of his lost brother ??

I cannot check the Census' now, but searching thro the PRs and GlosBMD records I cannot trace either men's future whereabouts with certainty, particularly William's ??;

Could this Burial PR, just months AFTER Isandlwana, have been named in memory of a soldier who died there ?

Record_ID: 89385
Entry_Number: 395
Year: 1879
Month: Dec
Day: 23
Surname: BAGLIN
Forenames: John
Residence: Berry Hill
Age_at_death: 11 wks
Officiating_Minister: W.H.Taylor
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/14
Page_No: 50
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: B245