Australian help needed regarding a forester (General)
by jimashton 
, Thursday, October 19, 2006, 00:51 (6611 days ago)
I am seeking help regarding information available in Australia for a forester.
The background; Winifred Baldwin 1840/1867 East Dean, daughter of William Baldwin & Hannah Smart, married Richard Sadler & died in childbirth with their first child Eliza in 1867 in East Dean. Before she married Richard Sadler in Newent 1866, she had two illegitimate children, Frederick George Baldwin1862/1938 allegedly to a Reuben Meredith 1844/1924 and a Joseph Baldwin baptised Forest Church 25.12.1864. The father of Joseph is alleged to be William Marfell. Following Winifred’s death in 1867 Frederick & Joseph Baldwin lived with Richard Sadler’s brother Henry Sadler & Charlotte (nee Baldwin - Winifred’s sister) and can be found on census data with them. Joseph emigrated to Australia and married Mary Jane Clayton born 30.9.1866 Emerald Hill South Melbourne. They married 13.9.1890 North Melbourne. They had 12 children including a William Marfell Baldwin born & died 1905. The addition of Marfell as a middle name probably confirms the father of Joseph, but whilst the fathers name is not included in Joseph’s baptism, I wonder if any details are shown at Joseph’s marriage in Australia, hence the enquiry as I am trying to ascertain which William Marfell is the alleged father of Joseph Baldwin.
Winifred BALDWIN 1840
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, October 19, 2006, 22:53 (6611 days ago) @ jimashton
Jim you mention alleged - who or where are the allegations ? - in the parish records or another researchers work ?
Name: Winifred Baldwin
Year of Registration: 1840
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 4622
1841 Quarry Hill
William Baldwin abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Hannah Baldwin abt 1803 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Benjaman Baldwin abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Charlotte Baldwin abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Daniel Baldwin abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Eliza Baldwin abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
George Baldwin abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
James Baldwin abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
William Baldwin abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Winefred Baldwin abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
1851 Quarry Hill
Willm Baldwin Hannah abt 1799 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Hannah Baldwin Willm abt 1800 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Daniel Baldwin abt 1822 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
George Baldwin abt 1828 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Benjn Baldwin abt 1833 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Charlotte Baldwin abt 1836 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
James Baldwin abt 1832 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Winfred Baldwin abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
1861
Hannah Baldwin abt 1799 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
George Baldwin abt 1833 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Winnifred Baldwin abt 1840 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Name: Winefred Sadler
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 25
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 135
1871 East Dean Gloucestershire
Hannah Baldwin abt 1801 Reuardeanhill East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head
Fredrick Baldwin abt 1863 Quarrgyill East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson
Joseph Baldwin abt 1866 Quarryhill East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson
1881 58 House Harry Hill East Dean Gloucestershire
Henry Sadler abt 1841 Greenway, Gloucestershire, England Head
Charlotte Sadler abt 1835 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife
Albert Sadler abt 1873 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son
Alfred Sadler abt 1875 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son
Eliza Sadler abt 1879 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter
James Sadler abt 1868 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son
Thomas Sadler abt 1866 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son
Fred Baldwin abt 1863 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Nephew
Joseph Baldwin abt 1865 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Nephew
Winifred BALDWIN 1840
by jimashton , Friday, October 20, 2006, 01:40 (6610 days ago) @ slowhands
Hi Slowhands
The information including the allegation was on an A3 sheet sent to me by a researcher in connection with my "then" investigation into a Dubberley connection. I have recently been researching Baldwin connections together with "Turbo-Chef" and another respondent to this wonderful site. The sheet emerged from the files and has sparked renewed interest into this "alleged" connection to William Marfell. I will email the sheet to you if you are interested.
Thanks for the census detail, I had all but the 1861, which includes the Joseph Baldwin born abt 1864. I have pasted the 1881 Census below and you can see that Joseph is with Uncle Henry Sadler and Aunt by relation as well as marriage Charlotte nee Baldwin. In 1891 he was in Australia, hence the enquiry to Australian correspondents.
1881 Census
Dwelling: 58 House Harry Hill
Census Place: (Westbury On Severn) East Dean, Gloucester,
RG11 Piece 2521 Folio 103 Page 27
Henry SADLER M 40 M Greenway, Gloucester, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Coal Miner
Charlotte SADLER M 46 F East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Wife
Thomas SADLER 15 M East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Son
James SADLER 13 M East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Son
Albert SADLER 8 M East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Son
Alfred SADLER 6 M East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Son
Eliza SADLER 2 F East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Daur
Fred BALDWIN U 18 M East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Nephew
Occ: Coal Miner
Joseph BALDWIN U 16 M East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Nephew
Occ: Coal Miner
further background ( to be validated as well)
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, October 20, 2006, 02:51 (6610 days ago) @ jimashton
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=oloughlin&...
JOSEPH WINIFRED BALDWIN ) was born 1864 in FOREST OF DEAN, GLOUSTERSHIRE, U.K., and died 27 APR 1916 in BOOLARRA (BUDGEREE EAST), SHIRE OF MORWELL, COUNTY BULN BULN, VICTORIA. He was buried 30 APR 1916 in LINE 4, GRAVE 16, BOOLARRA CEMETERY. He married MARY JANE CLAYTON 13 SEP 1890 in MR MILES RESIDENCE, NORTH MELBOURNE, daughter of DAN CLAYTON and SARAH ANN CHADDERDON. She was born 30 SEP 1866 in 20 YARRA PLACE, EMERALD HILL (SOUTH MELBOURNE), and died 3 JUN 1949 in MOUNT ROYAL;MELBOURNE, VICTORIA,. She was buried 6 JUN 1949 in FAWKNER CREMATORIUM.
Children of JOSEPH WINIFRED BALDWIN and MARY JANE CLAYTON are:
6 i. GEORGE MYLES BALDWIN was born 15 JUL 1891, and died 1946 in NEW ZEALAND.
+ 7 ii. WINIFRED MARGARET OR MARGARET WINIFRED BALDWIN was born 7 JAN 1893, and died 18 SEP 1954 in 161 RANKINS ROAD, KENSINGTON.
+ 8 iii. SARAH ANN BALDWIN was born 21 JAN 1894 in CARLTON, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA, and died 20 FEB 1971 in SELBY, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.
+ 9 iv. RUTH NAOMI BALDWIN was born 30 APR 1896 in KORUMBURRA, and died 1964.
10 v. FREDERICK JOSEPH BALDWIN was born 1897, and died 1909.
+ 11 vi. DANIEL CLAYTON BALDWIN was born 4 APR 1899, and died 4 NOV 1964 in 275 WAVERLEY RD EAST MALVERN.
+ 12 vii. EDWARD CHRISTENSEN (NED OR TED) BALDWIN was born 9 SEP 1900, and died 1 DEC 1948 in THOMASTOWN.
+ 13 viii. FAITH L. BALDWIN was born 3 DEC 1904, and died 20 NOV 1966 in COLAC HOSPITAL.
14 ix. WILLIAM MARFELL BALDWIN was born 1905, and died 1905.
+ 15 x. ALMA JESSIE BALDWIN was born 13 SEP 1906, and died 1975 in TASMANIA?.
+ 16 xi. IVAN ATHOL JAMES BALDWIN was born 2 NOV 1908, and died 3 AUG 1992 in Townsville Hospital.
17 xii. MARY JANE (DOLLY) BALDWIN was born 17 FEB 1914, and died 16 JUL 1934 in WILUNA; WESTERN AUSTRALIA.
further background ( to be validated as well)
by jimashton , Friday, October 20, 2006, 03:09 (6610 days ago) @ slowhands
Thanks again Slowhands, I have this document also, but the version I have which had been allied to a Lucas Snell includes completed details for those in latter pages that are shown as "Living".
Austrailan Assistance Needed
by jimashton , Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 04:48 (6598 days ago) @ jimashton
Australian help has been received in the form of a registration number & web site address in order to immediately obtain the marriage certificate image, where Joseph Winifred Baldwin's father is shown as William Marfell - Farmer - this latter information assists in identification. Thanks
Austrailan Assistance Needed
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 05:50 (6598 days ago) @ jimashton
the one your money was on ? or another one ?
Austrailan Assistance Needed
by jimashton , Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 06:03 (6598 days ago) @ slowhands
Hi Slowhands
No - not the one I thought it was going to be. I have pasted below an extract of my reply to "Nomad" who assisted me with this :
"This has caused me to re-think who the William Marfell father is and now consider it is probably William Marfell born 1835 son of Aaron Marfell as he was a Farmer living in Drybrook, whereas other William Marfell's who were also farmers were farther away. We will never know as there are no other lines of approach".