Ella May Wilce marriage?

Trying to trace marriage of Ella May Wilce (b. Lydbrook 1892). She appears in 1911 Census as a maid working in Wimbledon and seems to have died Ella May Bartlett (1977 in Bristol) but can find no trace of a marriage to 'Bartlett'.

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No luck with a marriage but this entry from the London Gazette associates an Ella May BARTLETT with Lydbrook. Perhaps she had already reserved a plot in Lydbrook Churchyard.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/45551/page/14066

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Has anyone located Ella May's grave in Lydbrook?

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The policy of the Forest of Dean Family History Trust is to have a cut off date for Parish Records for privacy reasons. They are: Baptisms 90 years, Marriages 70 years, Burials 30 years. Therefore we would expect all burials up to 1985 to be available. There are no records of Bartlett buried at Lydney. Therefore, we must look elsewhere for Ella May's burial. Searching the records of this site I could find no trace of a record for Ella May Wilce/Bartlett.

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It seems (from the first response in this thread from Mike Pinchin) that Ella had with others in 1971 made some provision for burial in Lydbrook. Her death was registered in Bristol in 1977 so that wish may not have been fulfilled.

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Ella May Bartlett left a will which can be found at:https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

Perhaps this gives details for her interment.

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The Lydbrook burial register from 1941 to present is still held by the Church and so has not been transcribed.

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Thank you Graham. I should have thought of that, when since 1971 the maximum number of burials added to the register could only be 38.

I am sure grahamc will see this post and yours. The most recent contact for Lydbrook Parish Council I have is:

Lydbrook Parish Council

Clerk to Parish Council and local representation

Wye View
The Reddings
Lydbrook
GL17 9ST
United Kingdom

E-mail:lorna.wakefield@fdean.gov.uk

Telephone:01594 860663

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Sorry, but I don't understand what you mean by "when since 1971 the maximum number of burials added to the register could only be 38".

Am I likely to get any more information from the Lydbrook Parish Council representative?

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The Parish Council is not the correct contact. As far as I am aware the main Burial Ground in Lydbrook is the Churchyard and you would need to contact a Church Representative. The church website is at: http://lydbrook.forestchurch.org.uk
I would also add that I believe there have been few burials in the churchyard in the past 40 years or so as the only space available is in family plots which have not already been filled. The nearest Cemetery is Mile End near Coleford and it opened in 1967 but it would appear that Ella was not buried there.
Mike

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Thank you for correcting my post which gave details of Lydbrook Parish Council.

Your point about only a few burials in the last 40 years was covered by the second post in this thread, which mentioned the article in the London Gazette dated 23rd December 1971. The article says that Ella May Wilce/Bartlett was entitled to be buried in Lydbrook Churchyard.

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Source: Ancestry

18 Oct 1938
Sailed aboard Queen Mary from Southampton to New York. Calling or Occupation: Head Mistress. Married or Single: S. Ticket issued in London 28 July 1938.

Source: FreeBMD.

Possible marriage Oct-Dec 1949 Wandsworth District. Vol-5. Page-1615. Husband: Roland Neal.

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On Ancestry the entry is:-

Name: Ella M Wilce
Arrival Date: 18 Oct 1938
Birth Date: abt 1892
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: Lydbrook
Age: 46
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Friend's Name: S J Bartlett
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Queen Mary

On the next page is the additional information

Mother, H.M.Wike [sic], Rosslyn Church Hill, Lydbrook, Glos
Destination, Montana, Fort Peck
Fiance, S.J.Bartlett, C70 Addison Miller Inc. P.O. Box 1217 Fort Peck, Montana
Height, 5ft 4in
Complexion, FR
Hair, BRN
Eyes, BLUE
Distinguishing marks, None

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Thanks Mike. I've had to deal with loads of scary witches and vampires over the last couple of hours. All of the goodies have gone and tranquillity has returned.

Baptism of Sydney John Bartlett:

Record_ID: 103892
Entry_Number: 258
Year: 1891
Month: Dec
Day: 20
Parents_Surname: BARTLETT
Child_Forenames: Sydney John
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Emily
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Hansley
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: John Neal
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 3/4
Page_Number: 0
Parish_Chapel: East Dean Methodist

1911 Wales Census
RG14; Piece: 31731; Schedule Number: 160
1 Poplar Cottage, Lydbrook, Ross on Wye

Emily Bartlett - Head - 46 - Widow - Telephone Exchange Caretaker - Gloucester, Cirencester
Sydney John Bartlett - Son - 19 - Single - Colliery Labourer - Gloucester, East Dean
George Bartlett - Son - 18 - Single - Coal Hewer - Gloucester, East Dean
Annie Bartlett - Daughter - 16 - Single - Telephone Operator - Gloucester, East Dean

Sidney John Bartlett sailed from Southampton on the Queen Mary on 16 March 1938. He was aged 45 and according to the ship's manifest was married. His calling or occupation was described as: SUPT. His Reentry Permit was issued on 3rd November 1937 and his last permanent residence in USA was Fort Peck.

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Aha! From Ancestry,

Sidney John Bartlett
Arrival Date: 21 Mar 1938
Birth Date: abt 1893
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: Lydbook
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: American;English (American)
Place of Origin: United States of America
Friend's Name: Henry James Gallatin
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Queen Mary
Mother, Emily BARTLETT, Poplar Villas , Lydbrook
Destination, Mont, Fort Peck
Height, 6ft 2in
Complexion, MED
Hair, BRN
Eyes, GRN
Distinguishing marks, MARKS ON Nose

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Source: US, Social Security Applications & Claims Index

Name: Sydney John Bartlett
SSN: 474011708
Birth Date: 2 Nov 1893
Death Date: 1 Jul 1960
Claim Date: 6 Jul 1960
Type of Claim: Death Claim

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Some confirmation of the profession,

BNA Gloucester Journal - Saturday 21 June 1924

At a Children's Court, a Lydbrook lad, 13 years of age, was charged with stealing a lady's bicycle, value £5, the property of Ella May Wilce, an assistant teacher at Joys Green School.—The boy's excuse for the theft was that all his other boy friends had a bicycle and he wanted one as well.—Defendant was bound over under the First Offender's Act, and ordered to pay 30s costs, including damage to the bicycle and his mother was reprimanded by the Bench for permitting the bicycle to remain at her house without taking the trouble to ascertain the owner.

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Oregon>Coos>North Bend>District 14

Bartlett, Sydney J - Head - (Age)37 - (Age at first marriage)33 - (Self Birth Place)England - (Year of Immigration to the United States)1922
Bartlett, Ora F - Wife - (Age)27 - (Age at first marriage)23 - (Self Birth Place)Oregon
Bartlett, Doris E - Daughter - (Age)3/12 - (Self Birth Place)Oregon

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Source: fmp

Departed aboard the Cunard Line Ship: Cameronia bound from Liverpool to New York on 23 March 1922.
Ticket Number: 90142
Last Address in the United Kingdom: 'Phone Exchange, Lydbrook, Glos
Occupation: Miner
Age: 30
Country of Intended Future Permanent Residence: USA

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It seems Sydney John Bartlett and his first wife Ova Frances (unknown) divorced between 1930 and 1940. In the 1940 US census Ova Frances age 37 is married to 58 year old Claude H Patcher and living in Douglas, Oregon. With them is Doris Emily Bartlett the child of Sydney John Bartlett and Ova. Doris Emily is described as a stepdaughter to the head of the household.

The last letter of the name Patcher is actually n not r, but, for some reason if I attempt to preview or post the correct spelling I get an error message saying tche(n) not accepted.

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Source: Ancestry

Idaho, Death Index, 1890-1964

Name: Sydney John Bartlett
Birth Place: England
Birth Date: 22 Nov 1891
Death Place: Boise, Ada, Idaho, USA
Death Date: 1 Jul 1960
Father: George Bartlett
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother: Emily Neale
Mother's Birth Place: England
Certificate Year: 1960
Certificate Number: 002644

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Source: Ancestry

US, Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014

Name: Ella Bartlett
SSN: 519-22-7317
Last Residence: 800(US Consulate)London, United Kingdom
BORN: 14 Apr 1892
Died: Aug 1977
State (Year) SSN Issued: Idaho (Before 1951)

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Gloucester Journal - Saturday 01 October 1938

LYDBROOK HEAD MISTRESS RESIGNING. At the end of the present week Miss Ella Wilce, head-mistress of Lydbrook Council schools (infant department), will end her duties prior to her departure for America in view of her forthcoming marriage. She will be greatly missed by many local organisations. At the Parish Church she has been a very ardent worker and was chiefly responsible for most of the social gatherings in connection with the church. The British Legion women’s section will also suffer by her departure for she was a most energetic worker for this cause. Periodically she arranged concerts in the village, the artistes being the younger children trained by her and her colleague Miss Wheatstone.

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Although there seems to be no identifiable record of the marriage this article says when and where:-

BNA Gloucester Citizen - Saturday 01 October 1938

LOVE THROUGH THE POST
ROMANCE OF FOREST SCHOOLMISTRESS

In few days time a well-known Forest of Dean school headmistress will sail for America to become the wife of an engineer who has been her lover through the post for 17 years. The courtship-by-letter romance had its beginning when they were children. In Lydbrook, where they were born, they spent earlier years romping and laughing within sound of the River Wye. She—Miss E. M. Wilce —left the village to train as teacher. After few years in London she returned to the Forest of Dean to be appointed to the staff of Joys Green school. Seven years ago she was appointed headmistress of the infant department at Lydbrook school. He—Mr. Sidney John Bartlett—left childhood days behind to seek fame and fortune in the U.S.A. From a comparatively humble position he rose to be an Instructional Superintendent of Engineering Public Works. During their long separation, Miss Wilce and Mr. Bartlett have kept in touch with each other through the post; they became engaged, and last December Mr. Bartlett arrived in this country to make final arrangements with his future wife. He returned to America in March. Miss Wilce will sail for America on the " Queen Mary” which leaves on October 13, nine days later she will be married in a pretty vine-covered house in St. Paul, Wisconsin.

A Presentation

Yesterday (Friday) Miss Wilce spent her last hours as schoolmistress: tears were in the eyes of her little pupils they wished her happiness and God speed. On behalf of the infants, Miss P. O. Wheatstone, assistant mistress, presented her with with a canteen of cutlery, and expressed the sorrow which staff and scholars felt at her leaving. Mr. Bennett, school manager for 40 years, was unable to be present, but the Forest of Dean School Managers sent Miss Wilce a letter expressing regret at her resignation, thanking her for the very valuable work she had done at the school, and wishing her every success. In the evening, Miss Wilce, who has been a prominent social worker in Lydbrook, attended a social function given in her honour.

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Thank you Mike and Paul for your all your investigations into my question. I haven't yet been able to digest it all and create the full story of Ella and Sydney. There seems to be some discrepancy about the date of birth (or perhaps identity) of Sydney. Two birth dates emerge: 2 Nov 1893 and 22 Nov 1891. The latter would tie up with his baptism in Lydbrook 20 Dec 1891.

A fascinating picture emerges of Ella and her romantic reunion with Sydney

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It should be possible to obtain a marriage certificate for Sydney John Bartlett and Ella May Wilce if you follow the following link: http://gov-record.org/marriage-records/. At the moment a 7 day free trial is being offered.

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