Thomas William Hall b 1858 Lydney, and family. (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Thursday, February 25, 2016, 02:01 (3195 days ago) @ Jane Hall

Trying to trace Great Grandparents.

Married to Thomas William Hall
Est yr of birth 1858
Born Lydney

Thomas possibly living in household of James Morse (1861 census) but identification not certain.

Hi Jane, welcome to the forum.

Apologies if you already have this for Thomas, but LDS aka Familysearch gives the following which seems to fit; https://familysearch.org

1901, Gray Street, Canning Town, West Ham.

Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Thomas Hall Head M 43 LABORER SUGAR REFINERS. Lydney, Gloucestershire
Fanny Hall Wife F 43 Linderford, Gloucestershire
Annie Hall Daughter F 21 West Ham, Essex
Lilly Hall Daughter F 20 West Ham, Essex
Winifrrd Hall Daughter F 15 West Ham, Essex
Nelly Hall Daughter F 13 West Ham, Essex
Thomas Hall Son M 10 West Ham, Essex
May Hall Daughter F 5 West Ham, Essex
Edith Hall Daughter F 2 West Ham, Essex

Re Thomas's employment, my wife's ancestors also worked at the huge Tate & Lyle jam factory at Canning Town / Silvertown, Keillers was there too, you may find this background of interest.
http://www.thesugargirls.com/tatelyle/
Lots of period stories and photos here http://www.docklandsmemories.org.uk/stansgallery.htm
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/essex/vol6/pp76-89#h3-0002

Which seems to fit what you've already found, namely;

1861, Hut Hill Road, Lydney.

Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Thomas Hall Lodger M 48 Road Contractor. Northampton Blisworth,
Jane Hall Wife F 40 Road Contractors Wife. Lydney, Gloucestershire
Edwin Morse Son M 14 Work With Father. Lydney, Gloucestershire
John Hall Son M 10 Lydney, Gloucestershire
Sarah A Hall Daughter F 6 Lydney, Gloucestershire
Thomas Hall Son M 3 Lydney, Gloucestershire
James B Hall Son M 10M Lydney, Gloucestershire

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HOWEVER, despite my extensive searching of this site's PRs, FreeBMD and GlosBMD sites, I cannot find a likely marriage for Thomas's parents Thomas and Jane. I wonder if this was because it happened out of this county ?. Thomas senior's birthplace is a small village on the important Grand Union canal, the site of a very (2 mile) long canal tunnel built c1805. I wonder if his own father maybe worked there as a navvy, given Thomas's own apparent wandering & roadworking lifestyle, indeed Thomas could have found wife Jane in Lydney via the canal via Stratford then into the Severn waterway ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blisworth_Tunnel
Unfortunately there are several Thomas Halls born c1811 in Northants..

More oddly, I'm totally unable to find any of their children's Baptisms in any of our local websites, very odd.... hence no consistent clues as to Jane's surname etc. I hope this is a silly oversight on my part, however at the moment it almost seems as if they're trying to avoid the official registration system !.

???

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When I first found the 1861 Census transcription above I assumed it was incomplete, and LDS had accidentally omitted the top line for the Head of the household, which according to Jane is "James Morse". (I saw such an error on another LDS transcription a few weeks ago).
Please can someone confirm if the actual Census image differs from the above transcription, thanks ?.

PS LDS also gave this baptism which MAY be relations, altho these names aren't rare in Northants;

Name Jane Hall
Gender Female
Christening Date 19 Jan 1827
Christening Place Wellingborough, Northampton, England
Father's Name Thomas Hall
Mother's Name Jane