Constance family (General)
by Cconstance, Thursday, October 26, 2017, 20:52 (2585 days ago)
I have just got hooked into family history by my wife who has traced the line back to James Constance who founded the turnery in Longhope in the 1700s.
Does anyone have any further Information on this line?
We have struggled to find anything any further back except for a reference to a Henrie Constance of Littledean in 1620. We would love to find out where the family originally came from and the origin of the name. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Early CONSTANCEs, probably eastern Forest, Longhope etc
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Friday, October 27, 2017, 01:36 (2585 days ago) @ Cconstance
Hi,
I see you've been onboard for a few years, are you linked to forum member Sophie Williams who was researching the Longhope Constances a few years back (and who I now remember I need to contact !...) ?. Hopefully you've seen and maybe contributed-to her Constance threads in the past eg
http://forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?mode=thread&id=43233
Off the top of my head I cannot recall how far back these threads went. However browsing this site's Parish Records I can see several possible ancestors of yours in the 1700s and earlier, from all across the Forest, have you seen them ?. As well as the Littledean ones you mention see also at nearby Flaxley & Abenhall and maybe Westbury too. Don't forget to tick the Soundex box when searching, there are several spelt "Constants" and "Constans" and such like, and especially look-out for Huntley P.R.s as they seem to go back a little further than the Longhope ones, and are only a couple of miles away.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/forest-of-dean-parish-map
Using the great "advanced search" feature you can look-up all Baptisms, for example, by inputing just "Consta" into parent's surname, and "Huntley" for Chapel.
http://forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/advanced-search
You can then sort the results by clicking on the relevant column heading, to give this list of PRs which look like two generations;
Year.Surname. Child Forenames. Fathers & Mothers Forenames.Parish Chapel.
1756 CONSTANCE Richard. Richard & Isabel. Huntley
1759 CONSTANCE Anne. Richard & Isabel. Huntley
1760 CONSTANCE Anne. Richard & Isabel. Huntley
1780 CONSTANCE Ann. [not stated] Ann. Huntley
1785 CONSTANT Mary. Rich[ar]d & Hannah. Huntley
1787 CONSTANT John. Rich[ar]d & Hannah. Huntley
1789 CONSTANT Sarah. Rich[ar]d & Hannah.Huntley
1794 CONSTANCE Richard. Richard & Hannah. Huntley
1797 CONSTANT Nancy. Rich[ar]d & Hannah. Huntley
Looking for them and other "old" CONSTANCES in the 1841 Longhope Census gives this, not sure if one or more households as can only use FamilySearch site at this time;
1841 Longhope, Longhope Lower, Gloucestershire, England.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Benjamin Constance M 65-69 Gloucestershire
Ann Constance F 66-70 Gloucestershire
Henry Constance M 30-34 Gloucestershire
Richard Constance M 25-29 Gloucestershire
Phoebe Constance F 25-29 Gloucestershire
Eliza Constance F 25-29
Thomas Clulee M 50-54
Caroline Williams F 30-34 Gloucestershire
Caroline Williams F 12 Gloucestershire
Thomas Valender M 35-39 Gloucestershire
1841 The Walk, Longhope Lower, Gloucestershire, England.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Constance M 60-64 Gloucestershire
Hannah Constance F 60-64 Gloucestershire
Amos Constance M 20-24 Gloucestershire
1841 Chestgrove, Longhope Lower, Gloucestershire, England.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Theophilus Constance M 75-79 Gloucestershire
Mary Constance F 75-79 Gloucestershire
1841 Yew Tree Inn, Longhope Lower, Gloucestershire, England.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Thomas Constance M 58-62 Gloucestershire
Mary Constance F 55-59 Gloucestershire
Hannah Constance F 25-29 Gloucestershire
Benjamin Constance M 20-24 Gloucestershire
Eli Constance M 15-19 Gloucestershire
Of these examples Theophilus is the oldest, and I suspect has been covered in past threads and your research, looks to me like he's from Newent area so not far from Longhope, possibly this line ?.
Record_ID: 24249
Entry_Number: 442
Year: 1724
Month: Jan
Day: 28
Grooms_Surname: CONSTANT
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newent
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: DRINKWATER
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Churcham
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Mr Thomas Avenant vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Old style date 1723/4
Notes: Ayl Parsons Arthur Hope churchwardens
Register_Reference: P225 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 98
Parish_Chapel: Newent
Soundex_Groom: C523
Soundex_Bride: D652
Record_ID: 260618
Entry_Number:
Year: 1760
Month: Oct
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: CONSTANT
Child_Forenames: Theophilus
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P332 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 30
Parish_Chapel: Tibberton
Soundex: C523
Record_ID: 64025
Entry_Number:
Year: 1788
Month: Sep
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: CONSTANT
Grooms_Forenames: Theophilus
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of the Parish of Longhope
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: DAWES
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Richard Terrett
Witness_2: John Greenwood
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John Copner
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P138 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 53
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor
Soundex_Groom: C523
Soundex_Bride: D200
Unfortunately the excellent Longhope Village site doesn't include the 1841 Census info in it's Family History section.
http://www.longhopevillage.co.uk/FamilyHistory/
It appears that the Constance family may not have been in Longhope much before the 1700s, see http://www.longhopevillage.co.uk/FamilyHistory/Parish/Index.aspx
Hoping this helps in some way,
Jeff.
Early CONSTANCEs, probably eastern Forest, Longhope etc
by Cconstance, Friday, October 27, 2017, 21:19 (2584 days ago) @ Jefff
Thanks Jeff. Tons of info to pore through there. We thought Theophilus was James' son so need to recheck now. Much appreciate your time and effort replying.
CONSTANCE/CONSTANT/COWSTANT family
by MPGriffiths , Friday, October 27, 2017, 10:37 (2585 days ago) @ Cconstance
Having a quick look at the Gloucestershire Genealogical Database
from 1500 to 1600
Seaching by CONSTANCE
WILLS
1544 COWSTANS - Roger (Westbury on Severn)
1570 CONSTANCE - Thomas (Westbury on Severn) Husbandman
1576 COWSTANCE - Philip (Stanway) - Labourer
1589 COSTANCE - Richard (Flaxley) - Butcher
1591 CONSTNS - John (Westbury on Severn) Weaver
Will have a look at these Wills which should be on Ancestry (could be in Latin/early English - difficult sometimes to read!!
Transcriptions on the Forest of Dean Records
Flaxley - baptisms
Anne CONSTANS - 1567
Robert CONSTANS - 1567
Use the Soundex on the Record Search (quite a few COWSTAN/COWSTANCE or even COUSTANS/CUSTANES etc)
See later reply: i.e baptism 1726 of Elizabeth CONSTANT alias COWSTANT at Newent
Constance family
by MPGriffiths , Friday, October 27, 2017, 10:50 (2585 days ago) @ MPGriffiths
Men in Armour for Gloucestershire 1608
Just by putting COW in the surname search shows up many variations
COWSTANCE
COWLSTANCE
COWLSTON
COWLSTONE
etc
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Checking on the National Archives for James CONSTANCE Longhope
Gloucestershire Archives - holds many records (76 files)
Documents deposited by James CONSTABLE and Sons Ltd, saw mills and turnery works, LONGHOPE GL17 OLB
Administrative/biographical background :
The business is reputed to have been started by James CONSTANCE in a room of a house in Longhope, with the manufacture of carrels and coffins c.1720.
A frames' son Theophilus established proper in 1788, naming it after his father. The coming of the railway enabled the business to expand. From producing handles for agricultural implements locally, they began to provide every type of handle for the manufacturing trade in Sheffield and the business went from strength to strength.
It has been in the hands of the ALLAN family since c 1935 and it is still a going concern today involved, as a woodland owner, in coppicing; the old buildings form an industrial estate which the company lets as business units. (Information supplied by Mr C John ALLAN).
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Theophilus CONSTANCE c1760 death: 1847 (Will on Ancestry)
Mentions, his wife Mary, Nephew: John CONSTANCE, Longhope, Boot & Shoe Maker) + his 9 children.
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1841 Census Longhope
John CONSTANCE - aged 60 - Shoemaker (this is the Nephew of Theophilus)
Hannah CONSTANCE - 60
Amos CONSTANCE - 20
1841 Census Upper Longhope
Theophilus CONSTANCE - 75 - Head Turner (born in County)
Mary CONSTANCE - 75 - born in County
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From the Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations Records (on this site)
30 August 1788
Theophilus CONSTANT - aged 23 c1765 ? or could be be 28 (c1760) **
Batchelor, Rake Maker of Longhope
Mary DAWES aged 23, Spinster, of English Bicknor
Marriage by Licence
Swodn before Thos RUDGE to marry at English Bicknor
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??? as JAMES can also be JOHN
Baptism at Tibberton
14 October 1760
Theophilus CONSTANT, parents: John & Mary
As his death 30 November 1847 - gives his age at 86 (c1761)
CONSTANT alias COWSTANT
by MPGriffiths , Friday, October 27, 2017, 12:25 (2585 days ago) @ MPGriffiths
Using the Advance Search and just putting in CON in the surname - parents: John & Mary
1715 : CONSTANT John (John & Mary) Tibberton
1724 : CONSTANT John (John, labourer & Mary ) Newent
1726: CONSTANT alias COWSTANT Elizabeth (John labourer & Mary) Newent
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1754 : CONSTANT Thomas (John & Mary) Tibberton
1755: CONSTANT John (John & Mary) Tibberton
1758: CONSTANT William (John & Mary) Tibberton
1760: CONSTANT Theophilus (John & Mary) Tibberton
1762 : CONSTANT Joseph (John & Mary) Tibberton
1765: CONSTANCE Dihana (John & Mary) Longhope
1770: CONSTANCE George (John & Mary Longhope
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Use the Marriage Allegations records etc
John CONSTANT aged 26, Batchelor, married Mary BROWN, Widow at Tibberton 14 April 1711
and then
John CONSTANCE - Widower, of Longhope, married Mary ANDREWS aged 24, Spinster, by Licence : 5 February 1753
To marry at St Michael
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Ancestry:
Marriage at Gloucester St Michael: 5 February 1753
John CONSTANCE & Mary ANDREWS of Longhope
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The Will of Thomas CONSTANCE, Carpenter Of Longhope + Inventory in 1741
mentions his wife Mary and 3 children, John/Elinor/Joan
Constance family
by Cconstance, Friday, October 27, 2017, 21:26 (2584 days ago) @ MPGriffiths
That's a lot to get stuck in to. When we are home we will spend some time pursuing these links. Thanks for your time.
Regards
Chris