Hi all,
I am looking into another part of my family. Her name was Ellen (Helen) Hogg she was born in 1855, but according to her census records she was born in Lydbrook then on others she was born in Middlesex! would anybody know anything about Ellen? She also married a chap called Oliver Magness in 1873.
Thanks Amie
Ellen (Helen) Hogg
by MPGriffiths , Friday, December 22, 2017, 09:44 (2529 days ago) @ amie1990
Marriage at English Bicknor 1873 (on FoD records)
Oliver MAGNESS aged 20 - Bachelor, Iron works puddler, residence: Lynbrook
father: Richard MAGNESS, Publication
Ellen HOGG aged 18, Spinster, father: James HOGG - Bricklayer
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As Ellen says she was born in Middlesex, London
?
There is on the 1861 Census for St Pancras, Middlesex
29 Gough Street
3 children, listed as HAGG on Ancestry, but looks like HOGG (Ancestry has HOGG in brackets)
Henry HAGG - 9
Ellen HAGG - 5
William HAGG - 2
listed as relatives and born St Pancras
living with Henry LEATON aged 39 and Mary A LEATON aged 38 - with other children too
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?
GRO has
Helen Caroline HOGG - mother's maiden name WARD - 1856, St Pancras
Ellen (Helen) Hogg
by MPGriffiths , Friday, December 22, 2017, 09:51 (2529 days ago) @ MPGriffiths
???
There is a marriage on Ancestry at Camden St Giles in the Fields Holborn
4 May 1851
James HOGG, aged 21, W/House Man, of No 29 N Compton Street, father John HOGG - occupation: bricklayer
Caroline WARD, aged 20 , Spinster, of Compton Street, N 27 father William Henry WARD, Printer
witnesses: William Henry WARD and Elizabeth Matthews WARD
Ellen (Helen) Hogg
by MPGriffiths , Friday, December 22, 2017, 10:02 (2529 days ago) @ MPGriffiths
Think I've "cracked it"
as transcribed on Ancestry
1871 Census
Walford
Herefordshire
Henry J HAGG (as transcribed) aged 38 : Bricklayer, born Ingatestone, Essex
Caroline HAGG - 39 - born Ramsgate, Kent
Henry J HAGG - 19 - born St Pancras
Hellen C HAGG - 14 - born St Pancras
William J HAGG - 12 - born St Pancras
By 1881, the couple are back in London, St Pancras
98 Carlton Street
Henry James HOGG - aged 48, Builder employing 18 men - born Essex
Caroline HOGG - 49 - born Ramsgate Kent
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1891 Census, Middlesex, Edmonton
3 Essex Villages
Henry HOGG - 63, House Painter & Decorator, born Ingastestone, Essex
Caroline HOGG - 63, born Enfield Middx
? death: 1908, Edmonton
Caroline Sarah HOGG aged 80 birth about 1828,
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1901 Census, Middlesex, Edmonton
Henry HOGG - 73 - House Decorator, born Essex, Ingatestone
Caroline HOGG - 73 - born Enfield Middlesex
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1911 Census, 127 Bury Street, Lower Edmonton, Middx
Edward John COCKSON - 55 - Railway Clerk, london London
Florence COCKSON - 42 (married 22 years) - bonr Middx Edmonton
Edward Henry COCKSON - Son 21- - Bank Clerk, born Middx, Edmonton (mother's maiden name HOGG - GRO Index)
Gladys Florence COCKSON - 18
Henry HOGG - aged 83, father-in-law- Widower, retired House Decorator, born Essex, (Fryerning, as transcribed)
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1891 Census, Edmonton, Middx
3 Lawrence Street
Edward J COCKSON - 35 - Railway Clerk, born London Mile End
Florence COCKSON - 22 - born Middx, Edmonton
Edward H COCKSON - 1 - ditto (see above, mother's maiden name HOGG)
Edward John COCKSON married Florence HOGG - 1888, Edmonton District
Ancestry: Marriage at St James, Upper Edmonton, Enfield : 4 August 1888
Florence HOGG aged 19, Spinster, residence: 3 Essex Villas : father: Henry HOGG - House Decorator
Edward John COCKEN - aged 32, father Edward
witnesses: Henry HOGG and Ada Bennett
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On the 1881 census, Florence HOGG aged 12, and grand-daughter is living with her Grandmother: Harriet HOGG aged 78, born Sussex, Ditching (retired licenced victualler) at: 2 Chesham Road, Brighton, Sussex
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1881 Census, London, St Pancras
70 Weedington Road
Henry J HOGG - 29, Bricklayer - born St Pancras
Harriet HOGG - 25, born Wiltshire St James
Ada F HOGG - 7 - all children, born St Pancras
Henry J HOGG - 4
Alice H HOGG - 3
Emmeline HOGG - 2
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GRO, children's mother's maiden name HAWKINS
Henry James HOGG married Harriet HAWKINS, Pancras District: March Qtr 1873
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Ancestry: Marriage at Holy Trinity, Haverstock Hill, Camden - 16 March 1873
Henry James HOGG aged 21, Bachelor, Bricklayer, 51 Harwood Street, father: Henry James HOGG, Bricklayer
Harriet HAWKINS aged 19, same address: father: James HAWKINS, labourer
witnesses: George THOMPSON and Emma HAWKINS
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1891 Census, London St Pancras
Kentish Town, Oakfield Crescent
William J HOGG - 31, Bricklayer, born St Pancras
Frances HOGG - 31 - born Wilthshire (with a ?)
Francis E - 8 - (daughter) born London St Pancras
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Marriage on Ancestry: 22 December 1878
St Martin's Kentish Town
Camden
William J HOGG age 27, 1 Oakfield Crescent : father: Henry HOGG - Bricklayer
Frances McLean, aged 19,1 Oakfield Crescent : father: John McLean, - Platelayer
Ellen (Helen) Hogg
by MPGriffiths , Friday, December 22, 2017, 15:57 (2529 days ago) @ MPGriffiths
This information has been passed to me by a fellow forum Contributor which is very interesting and explains why the children were being looked after by other family members.
Hogg: Old Bailey: 6 May 1861
Caroline HOGG - : Lar & Rec: acquitted and discharged.
James HOGG was sent down for 3 years
1861 Census:
Newgate Prison
James HOGG aged 28, occupation Porter, born Ingasteston, Essex
James & Caroline HOGG
by MPGriffiths , Friday, December 22, 2017, 16:11 (2529 days ago) @ MPGriffiths
By searching
The Proceedings of the Old Bailey
London's Central Criminal Court, 1674 to 1913 (which is on line)
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org
Reference: Number: t18610505-411
May 1861 : Trial of JAMES HOGG (28) CAROLINE HOGG
James HOGG (28) and Caroline HOGG were indicted for stealing,
on 5 July,
50 handkerchiefs, value 12l
282 scarfs, value, 30l
on 15 August
106 handkerchief and 316 scarfe, value 52l
11 October
198 handkerchiefs
133 scarfs
6 neckties value 27l 12s
the property of John BROCKLEHURST and others, the master of James HOGG, to which
James HOGG - pleased guilty
Mr SLEIGH offered no evidence against
Caroline HOGG - not guilty