Stephens and Barnes ancestors. (General)

by shepway , Friday, June 29, 2018, 08:27 (2342 days ago) @ Tony Barnes

This would appear to be the marriage of Grandparents:
Year: 1902
Month: Mar
Day: 31
Grooms_Surname: BARNES
Grooms_Forenames: Arthur
Grooms_Age: 31
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Watchmaker
Grooms_Residence:
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Barnes
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Tailor
Brides_Surname: STEPHENS
Brides_Forenames: Emily
Brides_Age: 21
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Norton
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Stephens
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Game Keeper
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Agnes Stephens
Witness_2: Charles Richard Stephens
Other_Witnesses: Edith Barnes
Officiating_Minister: R.Marks.Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 232 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 67
Parish_Chapel: Norton

and they are in Derby at time of 1911 Census:
Name Relation to Head Birth Date Age Gender Marital Status Occupation Birth Place Address
Arthur Barnes Head 1871 40 Male Married Watch & Clock Maker Gloucester, England 59 Peet St Derby
Emily Barnes Wife 1881 30 Female Married Norton, Gloucester, England 59 Peet St Derby
Arthur Barnes Son 1905 6 Male Birmingham, Worcester, England 59 Peet St Derby
John Barnes Son 1908 3 Male Sutton Coldfield, Warwickshire, England 59 Peet St Derby

Age given at time of marriage suggest Arthur is born c1871 and Emily c1881.
This would appear to be Baptism for Emily:
Year: 1881
Month: Mar
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: STEPHENS
Child_Forenames: Emily
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Martha
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Norton
Occupation: Keeper
Officiating_Minister: F E Broome Witts Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P232 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 10
Parish_Chapel: Norton

and for Arthur:
Year: 1870
Month: Jun
Day: 26
Parents_Surname: BARNES
Child_Forenames: Arthur
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Marianne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Kingsholme
Occupation: Tailor
Officiating_Minister: Thomas Turner.Vicar of Norton
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P232 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 95
Parish_Chapel: Norton

The GRO Index tells us that his mother's maiden name is Clarke and this would be the parent's marriage:
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
BARNES William CLARK Mary Ann Gloucester Northgate St John the Baptist 1864 55 No 3 58

Here is the family in 1871 and 1881:
1871 Census
Household schedule number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country
269 William Barnes Head 41 1830 Male Taynton Gloucestershire England
269 Mary A Barnes Wife 27 1844 Female Skenfrith Monmouthshire Wales
269 James Barnes Son 6 1865 Male St Mary De Crypt Gloucester Gloucestershire England
269 William Barnes Son 5 1866 Male St Catherine Gloucestershire England
269 Arthur Barnes Son 1 1870 Male St Catherine Gloucestershire England

1881 Census
Address Given Name Surname Relationship to Head Marital Status Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Occupation Birth City Birth County Birth Country
9 Vine Terrace William Barnes Head Married 50 1831 Male Journeyman Tailor Newent Gloucestershire England
9 Vine Terrace Mary Barnes Wife Married 39 1842 Female ((Junior Cl)) Skenfrith Monmouth Wales
9 Vine Terrace James Barnes Son 16 1865 Male Junior Clerk Gloster Gloucestershire England
9 Vine Terrace William Barnes Son 15 1866 Male Scholar Gloster Gloucestershire England
9 Vine Terrace Arthur Barnes Son 10 1871 Male Scholar Gloster Gloucestershire England
9 Vine Terrace Albert E. Barnes Son 6 1875 Male Scholar Gloster Gloucestershire England
9 Vine Terrace John H. Barnes Son 1 1880 Male Gloster Gloucestershire England

Taking the BARNES line back further was not straightforward but we find this marriage:
Year: 1827
Month: Oct
Day: 25
Grooms_Surname: BARNES
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: [not stated]
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newent
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: LEWIS
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: [not stated]
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Paul Barnard
Witness_2: Hannah Barnard
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Wm Bushell Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P326 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 12
Parish_Chapel: Taynton

and this baptism:
Year: 1827
Month: Oct
Day: 25
Parents_Surname: LEWIS
Child_Forenames: William
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Tainton
Occupation: Domestic Servant
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Bushell
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: illegitimate
Notes:
Register_Reference: P326 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 27
Parish_Chapel: Taynton

Note William's baptism took place on the same day as the marriage of his parents.

It was the 1861 Census entry for William which provided the clue:
Household Number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country
185 William Barnes Head 31 1830 Male Taynton Gloucestershire England
185 Henry Barnes Lodger 13 1848 Male Newent Gloucestershire England

The maiden name of Henry's mother is Lewis and baptisms of siblings can be found on this website.

Mike