Clarence H Manns & Georgina Billingham, continued (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Thursday, November 22, 2018, 23:50 (2192 days ago) @ Jefff

Foolishly then tried searching him on FamilySearch, but of course won't find him on the 1911 Census as I'd hoped, he was born after it !.
However I HAVE now learnt that FamilySearch gives Death Records as recently as 2007, so much later than FreeBMD does, so I'm VERY glad I made that silly mistake !!.

In this case;

Name Clarence Henry Manns
Event Type Death Registration
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1990
Registration District Gloucester
County Gloucestershire
Event Place Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969) 23 Mar 1912
Volume 22
Page 2141
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Searching wife Georgina;
FreeBMD;

Surname First name(s) Mother/Age District Vol Page
Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
Billingham Georgina R Newman Gloucester 6a 543

GlosBMD adds;

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
BILLINGHAM Georgina Rose NEWMAN 1911 Gloucester Gloucester, Southern 9 56

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Their likely offspring, the 1939 Register should help confirm if you have access;

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

Births Sep 1935 (>99%)
Manns Kenneth R Billingham Gloucester 6a 424

Births Dec 1936 (>99%)
Manns Denise L Billingham Gloucester 6a 444

Births Sep 1938 (>99%)
Manns Brian H Billingham Gloucester C. 6a 535

Births Dec 1940 (>99%)
Manns Marina R Billingham Gloucester C 6a 838

Births Dec 1947 (>99%)
Manns Michael C Billingham Gloucester C. 7b 669

Births Jun 1952 (>99%)
MANNS Angela M BILLINGHAM Gloucester C. 7b 646

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Back to the name Queen or Queenie, was it Margaret's mother's name too ?
Searching a marriage for her Browning/Bayliss parents suggests not;

FreeBMD
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%)
Bayliss Margaret Gloucester 6a 578
Browning Arthur Gloucester 6a 578
Huggins William Gloucester 6a 578
Noake Keturah Gloucester 6a 578

Now have the date so can check on GlosBMD, confirms the correct record for our family but still no Queenie..

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
BROWNING Arthur BAYLISS Margaret Gloucester Gloucester St Mary de Crypt 1874 32 No 2 285

Searching this family in the Census' using FamilySearch is easy, hoorah !

1881 Upton Hill, UPTON ST LEONARDS, Gloucester, Glos
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Arthur Browning Head M 31 Ag Lab. Upton S Lds, Gloucestershire, England
Margaret Browning Wife F 32 Cainscross, Gloucestershire, England
Reginald A Browning Son M 5 Upton S Lds, Gloucestershire, England
Walter B Browning Son M 4 Upton S Lds, Gloucestershire, England
Ambrose E Browning Son M 2 Upton S Lds, Gloucestershire, England

1891 Upton Hill, UPTON ST LEONARDS, Gloucester, Glos
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Authur Browning Head M 42 Agricultural Labourer. Gloucestershire, England
Margaret Browning Wife F 41 Gloucestershire, England
Walter B V Browning Son M 14 Employed In Upton Flour Mill. Gloucestershire, England
Ambrose E Browning Son M 12 Scholar. Upton St Leonard, Gloucestershire, England
Agnes M Browning Daughter F 10 Upton St Leonard, Gloucestershire, England
Alfred A P Browning Son M 8 Upton St Leonard, Gloucestershire, England
Ellen Bayliss Visitor F 46 Vallance

1901 Upton Hill, Upton St Leonards, South Hamlet, Gloucester, Glos
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Arthur Browning Head M 50 Farm Labourer. Upton St Leonards, Gloucestershire
Margret Browning Wife F 50 Carnscross, Gloucestershire
Walter Browning Son M 24 Railway Wagon Builder. Upton St Leonards, Gloucestershire
Ambrose Browning Son M 22 Railway Wagon Builder. Upton St Leonards, Gloucestershire

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Upton St Leonards;
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/UptonStLeonards/Gaz1868

The Domesday book listed 3 mills at Upton. Not abs certain but I think the one mentioned above, Upton Flour Mill, still exists on Bondend Road. It's now a Grade 2 listed residential property, with some of the original water-mill workings preserved behind glass, it's currently available to buy, looks lovely !.
https://www.knightfrank.com/properties/commercial/for-sale/bondend-road-upton-st-leonar...

It can be seen as Higgs Mill in the bottom R/H corner of this 1884 map, the Wagon Works is in the top L/H corner on the outskirts of Gloucester city.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101453457

Gloster Wagon Works;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloucester_Railway_Carriage_and_Wagon_Company
https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Gloucester_Railway_Carriage_and_Wagon_Co
https://www.visit-gloucestershire.co.uk/gloucester-waggon-works/
https://grcwm.jimdo.com/history-of-the-grcw/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sja4UkZ8T0

Cainscross is just west of Stroud;
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Cainscross