Looking for JONES and WAITE - Forest of Dean FHT Forum

I'm trying to track down my great-grandparents and beyond, but have got slightly stuck.

They were JOHN WILLIAM JONES (b.1 Apr 1856, Bream) and CHARLOTTE WAITE (b.1857, St Briavels). I thought I'd struck lucky when I found a marriage between John Jones and Charlotte Waite in the parish records on this site for May 1890, but it's not them, the birth years are way out.

The information I'm primarily looking for is the names of Charlotte's parents and any information on the family, plus John's mother's maiden name. His father is WILLIAM JONES (b. 1813, Swansea) and his mother is JANE. There were four children of the marriage, John William, Alfred (26 Nov 1857), Sarah Jane Maria (c.1861) and David John (c.1863) all born in Bream.

Any help anyone can give would be greatly appreciated, I'm new to all this but totally addicted already!

Many thanks,
Caroline

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1841
John Jinkins abt 1781 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Maria Jinkins abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
George Jinkins abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Jane Jinkins abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Lucya Jinkins abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Richard Jinkins abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Thos Jinkins abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

1851 Bream Woodside
John Jenkins abt 1778 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
George Jenkins abt 1832 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Jane Jenkins abt 1823 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire

Name: Jane Jenkins same page as ->

Name: William Jones
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 34

1861
William Jones abt 1813 Swansea Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Jane Jones abt 1826 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Alfred Jones abt 1858 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
John W Jones abt 1856 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah J Jones abt 1861 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire

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Best fit - I think ...( but not the person being looked for in this thread)
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1841 Bradley Hill
Samuel Whaite abt 1794 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire Road Layer ?
Elizabeth Whaite abt 1809 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Charlot Whaite abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
George Whaite abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
John Whaite abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Samuel Whaite abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Sarah Whaite abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

Name: Mary Griffiths
Name: John Wait
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 99

1851
John Waite abt 1828 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Waite abt 1830 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire

Name: Charlotte Waite
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 19
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 170

1861 Soudley
John Wait abt 1828 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Wait abt 1830 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Ann Wait abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Charlotte A Wait abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Wait abt 1861 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Julia Wait abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Wait abt 1859 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Joseph Wait abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder East Dean Gloucestershire

1871
John Waite abt 1827 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Waite abt 1829 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Ann Waite abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Charlotte Waite abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Waite abt 1861 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
John J Waite abt 1871 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Julia Waite abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Waite abt 1859 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas R Waite abt 1863 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1881 Pleasant Stile
John Waite abt 1827 Sewdley, Gloucestershire, England Head Little Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Waite abt 1830 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Wife Little Dean Gloucestershire
Amy Waite abt 1873 Sewdley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Waite abt 1861 Sewdley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean Gloucestershire
John J. Waite abt 1871 Sewdley, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas R. Waite abt 1863 Sewdley, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean Gloucestershire

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Slowhands, thank you so much for this - that looks like them :o)

Caroline

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Hello Caroline,

Charlotte Ann Waite 1852 - 1871 was daughter of John Waite (Bapt. at St. Peter's Newnham, 4Feb1827). Mother was Mary Griffiths (Bapt. Coleford Chapel of All Saints Newland 5July1829). John and Mary married at St. Paul's Parkend 2Jun 1850. Mary Griffiths was my GGrandfathers sister. May Ann was eldest child. She died 1871 and was buried at St John's Cinderford 7Nov1871.

There was scarlet fever in Soudley in 1871. My Grandfather lost two sisters to it back in May, although he was not yet born.

I did not think that the details kindly collected by Slowhands related to 'My' Waites until his 'Best fit' details, and to your original question. From then on are related to me as is Pleasant Stile. I took a great panoramic view from there over the Severn Valley.

There is a Waite Lady in Canada who has researched this family.

If you think 'Your' and 'My' Waites are one and the same please ask more. I have a mass of detail.

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Ah, now that's odd, I can see much more of Slowhands post now than I could when I replied to it!

The 1891 and 1901 Charlotte Jones are definitely my Charlotte, but the one born 52/53 who died in 1871 definitely isn't - because mine had to be alive to give birth to my grandfather (her last child of anything between 11 and 17 - Dad remembers 17, I've found 11 so far) in 1906.

Roger - thanks for the extra info, but it doesn't look like we share the same Waite.

I wonder how many Charlotte Wait(e)s there actually were locally? There's mine, there's the one of the 1890 marriage and there's Roger's 1852-71, all living in very close proximity at the same time.

I shall keep digging. What would really help is if I could track down the wedding - it must have taken place between 1873 and 1878 or so. If they got married at all, that is, I think they were rumoured to be a bit of a wild bunch (my grandfather certainly was!).

Caroline

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Hello Again Caroline,

Wait, Waite and mispellings were and may still be common in FoD. Name is variation on White. There were plenty of them around in late 18th and 19th Centuries.

There were quite a lot Waite's in Soudley/Bradley Hill at the time and not all related to my Waite's. You mention Bream and St Briavels. Faced with your problem, I would get myself down to Gloucester County Records and spend time on those Parish records on fiche. You'll probably find the answer. If not, widen the dragnet. It's a lovely place, only costs a couple of quid a day, and there's a nice Pub down the road where BBC Gloucester staff go for lunch. You'll hear some interesting chat.

Best of Luck, and Happy Christmas,

Roger

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Thanks Roger - my Mum lives in Stroud, so I'll try and drop in next time I'm down there visiting :o)

Caroline

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You may wish to consider this individual - not sure how strong your WAIT evidence is

1841
James William abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England St Briavells Gloucestershire
Matha William abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England St Briavells Gloucestershire
Charles William abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England St Briavells Gloucestershire
Charlotte William abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England St Briavells Gloucestershire
James William abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England St Briavells Gloucestershire
Nathaniel William abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England St Briavells Gloucestershire

1851
James Williams abt 1805 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Head St Briavels Gloucestershire
Martha Williams abt 1806 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Wife St Briavels Gloucestershire
James Williams abt 1835 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Son St Briavels Gloucestershire

Name: Charlotte Williams ?
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Chepstow
County: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 18

1861
James Williams abt 1834 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Head St Briavel Gloucestershire
Mary Williams abt 1828 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Wife St Briavel Gloucestershire
Alice Williams abt 1860 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Briavel Gloucestershire
Ann Williams abt 1854 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Briavel Gloucestershire
Charlotte Williams abt 1855 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Briavel Gloucestershire
Henry Williams abt 1857 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Son St Briavel Gloucestershire

1871 Bream
Charlotte Williams abt 1855 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Servant West Dean Gloucestershire

1881
Charlotte Williams abt 1856 St Breebles Common, Gloucestershire, England Servant Kensington London

Marriage on same page as Charlotte Williams
Name: John William Jones
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 57

1891 Bream Woodside
John W Jones abt 1856 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Charlotte Jones abt 1855 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
William Jones abt 1890 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1901
John W Jones abt 1857 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Monmouthshire
Charlotte Jones abt 1857 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Monmouthshire
Sarah J Jones abt 1894 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
William Jones abt 1890 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire
David J Jones abt 1864 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Brother West Dean Monmouthshire

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Thanks, slowhands. I'm relying on notes from my Dad, but unfortunately he died 14 years ago so I can't ask him if Waite is known or a guess.

I think Roger's right, a trip to Gloucester is going to be needed - plus I still have 3 living uncles and aunts who I can ask.

Caroline

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