Eileen Mary Williams (Urgent)
good morning
I'm looking for anyone that might have information on my grandmother Eileen Mary Williams, her father was arthur williams (a collier) and mother was elizabeth cecil, born and baptised in Coleford in 1914. She had a son (my father) and daughter out of wedlock, possibly different partners, and I am trying to piece together family history so if anyone has any information please contact me. My aunt would be so happy if we could find some family or find out some history.
My name is Mark Newton (adopted name) and my email address is markemmanuelnewton@gmail.com or leave a message here
Many thanks
Mark
Eileen Mary WILLIAMS 1914 (-1997?) Coalway-> Brighton?
by slowhands 
, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, December 16, 2024, 12:11 (14 days ago) @ MarkNewton
Suspect ?
Births Jun 1929 (>99%)
WILLIAMS Female Williams Monmouth 11a 28
First name(s) Eileen Mary ???
District number 4521B
Last name Walker
Register number B55A
Sex Female
Entry number 158
Birth day 14
Date of registration mm/yy 0197
Birth month 5
County Sussex
Birth year 1914
Country England
Death quarter 1
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Registration month 1
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death year 1997
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
District Brighton
Collections from Great Britain, England
Looks like your "tree"
Births Jun 1914 (>99%)
WILLIAMS Eileen M Cecil Monmouth 11a 47
Deaths Jun 1940 (>99%) ?
Williams Arthur 54 F. of Dean 6a 640
1939 Coalway nr Crown Inn
Arthur Williams 04 Mar 1886 Male Miner Coal Retired Married 194 1
Elizabeth Williams 15 May 1887 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 194 2
The record for this person is officially closed
1921 West Dean
Williams Arthur 1886
Williams Elizabeth 1887
Williams Percy 1911
Williams Eileen 1914
1911 Perry Grove farm
Arthur Williams Head Married Male 25 1886 Coal miner hewer Coleford Glos
Lizzie Williams Wife Married Female 24 1887 - Coleford Glos
Percy Williams Son - Male 0 1911 - Coleford Glos
Marriages Dec 1909 (>99%)
CECIL Elizabeth Sophia Monmouth 11a 43 S
WILLIAMS Arthur Monmouth 11a 43
1901 Palmers Flat
Fredrick Williams Head Married Male 38 1863 Coal miner cutter Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
Annie Williams Wife Married Female 37 1864 - Monmouthshire, Wales
Arthur Williams Son Single Male 15 1886 Coal mine hod boy Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
Emma Williams Daughter Single Female 12 1889 - Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
Willie Williams Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
William Williams Son Single Male 5 1896 - Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
Harry Williams Son Single Male 1 1900 - Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
1901 Palmers Flat
Thomas Cecil Head Married Male 44 1857 Coal miner cutter Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Cecil Wife Married Female 38 1863 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Cecil Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England
Thomas H Cecil Son Single Male 12 1889 - Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England
1891 Coalway Rd
Frederick Williams Head Married Male 26 1865 Coal miner Lane End, Gloucestershire, England
Annie Williams Wife Married Female 26 1865 - Lane End, Gloucestershire, England
Arthur Williams Son - Male 5 1886 Scholar Lane End, Gloucestershire, England
Emma Williams Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Lane End, Gloucestershire, England
1891 Palmers Flat
Thomas Cecil Head Married Male 34 1857 Coal miner Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Ann Cecil Wife Married Female 29 1862 - Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Cecil Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Thomas H Cecil Son - Male 2 1889 - Newland, Gloucestershire, England
1871 The Lamb Newland
Sarah Cecil Head - Female 39 1832 - Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Ann Cecil Daughter - Female 20 1851 - Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Thomas Cecil Son - Male 15 1856 Iron miner Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Cecil Daughter - Female 7 1864 Scholar Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Robert Cecil Son - Male 10 1861 Scholar Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Cecil Daughter - Female 5 1866 Scholar Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Henry Cecil Son - Male 0 1871 - Newland, Gloucestershire, England
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
Margaret Annie WILLIAMS 1922 Coalway -> Bristol
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, December 16, 2024, 12:59 (14 days ago) @ slowhands
Births Dec 1922 (>99%)
Williams Margaret A Cecil Monmouth 11a 42
Year: 1922
Month: Dec
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: WILLIAMS
Child_Forenames: Margaret Annie
Fathers_Forenames: Arthur
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Coalway
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: E H Brice
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P93/1 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 31
Parish_Chapel: Coleford
Year: 1942
Month: Apr
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: TAYLOR
Grooms_Forenames: Ronald George
Grooms_Age: 27
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: P.C.
Grooms_Residence: Christchurch Glos
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Taylor
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Harold T
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Brides_Surname: WILLIAMS
Brides_Forenames: Margaret Annie
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Christchurch Glos
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Williams
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Arthur
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Deceased
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Bernard Taylor
Witness_2: Percy Williams
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Wyndham Jones Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 11
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
possible
In 1939 in Clifton Bristol :- (could be the Williams sisters)
Eileen M Walker (Williams) ? May 1914 Female Domestic Servant Single 449 11
Margaret Taylor (Williams) 21 Oct 1922 Female Domestic Servant Single 449 12
Marriages Jun 1942 (>99%)
Taylor Ronald G Williams F.of Dean 6a 989
Williams Margaret A Taylor F. of Dean 6a 989
Deaths Mar 1975 (>99%) ??
Taylor Ronald George 16oc1914 Bristol 22 835
Marriages Jun 1946 (>99%)
Walker Frederick H Williams Hove. 2b 814
Williams Eileen M Walker Hove 2b 814
First name(s) Eileen Mary
District number 4521B
Last name Walker
Register number B55A
Sex Female
Entry number 158
Birth day 14
Date of registration mm/yy 0197
Birth month 5
County Sussex
Birth year 1914
Country England
Death quarter 1
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Registration month 1
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death year 1997
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
District Brighton
Collections from Great Britain, England
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
Margaret Annie WILLIAMS 1922 Coalway -> Bristol
thank you so much for this information
is there any way to trace the births of Eileen Mary Williams' two children born in and around Bristol i believe, or coleford, in a house especially there for unwed mothers?
I know its a long shot
the children's names would have been Wendy Williams and Alec Williams
the gentleman Eileen married in Brighton, Frederick walker, was not their father but adopted them after he married their mother
many thanks
mark
possible children of Eileen Mary
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, December 16, 2024, 23:13 (14 days ago) @ MarkNewton
This is a long shot, based on the names you offer and where Eileen is in 1939......
Births Jun 1938 (>99%)
Williams Alec Williams Gloucester C. 6a 550
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
WILLIAMS Alec 1938 Gloucester Gloucester City, Register Office 3 271
Births Dec 1940 (>99%)
WILLIAMS Wendy WILLIAMS Bristol 6a 27a
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
possible children of Eileen Mary
yes that's them and is there any way of finding out who their fathers were? would there be any records anywhere?
thank you so much
possible children of Eileen Mary
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, December 16, 2024, 23:39 (14 days ago) @ MarkNewton
first thing is to order copies of the register entries - The Father may have been declared if you are lucky
Births Jun 1938 (>99%) Gloucester C. 6a 550
https://wwwDOTgovDOTuk/order-copy-birth-death-marriage-certificate
if not declared, you may through DNA pick up non-recognised 3rdcousins etc and start to track back to your "man/men"
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
possible children of Eileen Mary
thank you
so basically get a copy of his birth certificate and cross my fingers?
there are some close matches through dna of 2nd or 3rd cousins but people either don't respond or they don't know their history
with families in the area being so big in those days and philandering being a thing as divorce was frowned upon it's really hard getting information
again thank you for all your help so far
possible children of Eileen Mary
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Tuesday, December 17, 2024, 12:59 (13 days ago) @ MarkNewton
You are welcome
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
possible children of Eileen Mary
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, December 19, 2024, 17:27 (11 days ago) @ slowhands
Please keep me up to date on progress as I may then be able to add more to the picture
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
Eileen Mary Williams
by shepway , Monday, December 16, 2024, 13:11 (14 days ago) @ MarkNewton
1921 Census:
Coalway Lane End, Near Coleford
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Arthur Williams Head Male 1886 35 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Coal Miner Collier Hewer Parkend Deep Navigation Colliery Co
Lizzie Williams Wife Female 1887 34 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England - -
Percy Williams Son Male 1911 10 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England - -
Eileen Williams Daughter Female 1914 7 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England -