Pluckpenny & Harrow Hill Green (General)

by nigel marshall, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 11:20 (6520 days ago)

From information available on the Forest Of Dean Local History website my great great grandfather,Beriah Meek who was resident on The Morse,was granted gales on Pluckpenny and Harrow Hill Green where he mined for coal without any success.I have searched the Old Maps website however cannot find any trace of these two areas.Does anybody have information that they can share please?
I would also be interested on any information on how he would have applied for or would have been granted a gale and how much money it would have cost.

Pluckpenny & Harrow Hill Green

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 11:47 (6520 days ago) @ nigel marshall

Harrow Hill colliery was just to the East of the road from Nailbridge up to Drybrook. SO 6510 1730

http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
co ords 365100 217300


Pluckpenny was about 600yds south of Drybrook ( in a similar area to Harrowhill),

Also a reference to Moseley Green area SO 6433 1666 ( some way away from Drybrook)

http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
co ords 364330 216660

Pluckpenny & Harrow Hill Green

by nigel marshall, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 12:04 (6520 days ago) @ slowhands

Should I assume that these would have been "family worked mines" not a mine that employed many people.
We visited The FoD Heritage Centre last year and saw an example of how individuals dug for coal-would this be an example of a gale?

Pluckpenny & Harrow Hill Green

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 20:18 (6520 days ago) @ nigel marshall

I think small scale , rather than industrial a la Teague , Crawshay,etc would be a safe assumption.


"""The Forest of Dean has a unique system of Free Mining dating back to mediaeval period when they were granted privileges listing in the ‘Book of Dennis’ during the reign of King Edward I. These rights granted in ‘tyme out of mynde’ include rights to graze sheep and swine in the Forest have been retained, relatively unchanged. This unique set of customs was granted by the Court of Mine Law and Crown officials, namely the Gaveller and Constable of St. Briavels Castle. Although the world has changed beyond recognition since this right was granted, it is a custom which has never been withdrawn – and would probably meet a hostile reaction from the free miners if ever such a threat were made.

The Free Miners were involved in small scale charcoal burning, iron mining and coal mining and had sole rights to mine within the Forest boundaries.

An early court was founded in the Forest including the Court of Attachment, also referred to as the Verderers’ Court or Speech Court which met every 40 days at the Kensley Lodge until it was replaced by the Speech House in 1676, which still exists although is now a hotel. The role of the Verderers was to protect the ‘vert’ and ‘venison’ of the Forest on behalf of the King. The court continues to meet today at the Speech House.

In order to apply for registration as a Free Miner, a man (no rights for women!) must be 21 or over, have been born within the ‘Hundred of St. Briavels’ and to have worked at least a year and a day in a coal or iron or mine within the Hundred. Each Free Miner had to be approved by the King’s Gaveller and had to pay a weekly and quarterly fee to the King in return for which he had the right to claim a ‘gale’ from the Crown, ie place to mine for coal or iron ore anywhere within the Forest. The King had a share in any new mine and could send a ‘King’s Man’, ie one of his own workers into the mine without bearing any of the overhead expenses of the mine. The landowner would also have the right to send one of his own workmen, the ‘Lord’s Man’ down with the same rights as the King’s Man. A miner could own up to three gales and these could be sold or the free miner could lease his gales and obtain a royalty on any coal or iron ore mined."""

Pluckpenny & Harrow Hill Green

by nigel marshall, Wednesday, January 24, 2007, 11:23 (6514 days ago) @ slowhands

Slowhands

Many thanks as ever for your information.

kind regards

Pluckpenny & Harrow Hill Green

by Mac McAllister, Friday, September 23, 2011, 17:29 (4811 days ago) @ nigel marshall

Dear Mr Marshall.

I too have been in search of the Pluckpenny mine and your entry and responses were of intrest to me and a starting point in my journey. In researching my wife's family tree I found that her Grandfather, Mr Harry Webb of Parkend, now deceased was a worker and allegedly owned the mine in the 1940's. I have yet to substantiate the ownership details so forgive me if this is contrary to anything held.

I was to meet my father in law in the forest in September 2011 as he apparently knew of its whereabouts. Sadly due to ill health he was unable to visit. I went to him afer my trip and by use of the landranger map of the area identified the following details, supported by a photograph of the mine entrance with him and his brother, a resident of parkend stood proudly by. He and his brother and friends, at least one of whom still live in Parkend recall playing outside there as children and it wasn't a long way from home.

The mine entrance is allegedly near to Mallards Pike Lake in Staple Edge Wood within grid SO 6410. This was on a 1:25000 scale so it is fairly large area. From his description and without access to or knowledge of the details of your response I tied it to grid SO 643104 approximately which is just to the west of Staple Edge Bungalow, also shown on the map. There is an airshaft to the west but I have been assured it is nothing to do with Pluckpenny as it was a drift mine.

This is similar to one of the responses given to your initial enquiry as SO 64331660 if I recollect correctly.

Should I again have the opportunity to visit this lovely part of the country I will try once more to find the mine. I found that several visits to other nearby mines such as Clearwell, as well as the Forest Heritage Centre, proved useful in where names devloped from such as one of the Great Grandparents whose middle name "Kibble" (William Kibble Webb) proved very elusive as to its potential origin.

A fruitful visit if not totally successful.

I wish you well with your searching.

Pluckpenny & Harrow Hill Green

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Friday, September 23, 2011, 20:23 (4811 days ago) @ Mac McAllister

Hi Mac,
this is perhaps the Reference that Slowhands used in his earlier post wrt position of Pluckpenny Mine.
ie 1896 List of Mines, states Pluckpenny(Rockey) to be at Moseley Green.
http://www.pdmhs.com/1896%20Lists/1896-66.htm

This map which no doubt you've seen confirms this.
http://www.lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/EastDean.html

Here's a history of the mine.
http://www.lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/CoalPluck.html

Googling also found this mine history which refers to a "Pluckpenny Level" which appears to be a different mine altogether, presumably the one previously indicated as in Drybrook area, so not the one you're searching ??
http://www.lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/CoalRuardeanHill.html
Also on this site the history of Newham Bottom states "surrounding gales viz; Pluckpenny, Speedwell, Ruardean Hill, etc"

This superb website contains a list of mine locations. It states
"Pluckpenny Colliery (Coal)................. Not Known Yet"
"Pluckpenny Level........................... SO 6433 1666."
(the same grid ref you've quoted, Harrow Hill/Drybrook, probably from same reference. It's certainly correct according to my map).
http://way-mark.co.uk/foresthaven/historic/hworklst.htm

Please however note that your comment re grid references is, strictly speaking, incorrect. The 6433 1666 ref may appear numerically "similar" but it is NOT the same reference or place as your "SO 643104". 64331666 is correct for the Pluckpenny LEVEL mine, near Harrow Hill, but incorrect for "your" "Rocky" mine, which seems to me to be incorrect as your described location suggests Staple Edge mine (see above map) and not either of the two Pluckpennys.

The National Archives site refers to archives held by Gloucestershire Archives for "Pluckpenny Rocky Colliery" and "New Pluckpenny Rocky 3 Iron Mine".
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=040-d9096&cid=281#281

So there are clearly more than one "Pluckpenny" mine, good luck finding yours !!


I doubt this is new info to you but posted in the off chance it's of interest.

Pluckpenny

by gerrym @, Monday, September 26, 2011, 21:42 (4808 days ago) @ Jefff

There was a level, known as Pluckpenny, above the left hand side of the road from Nailbridge to Ruardean, about 300 yards from Nailbridge, which was still being worked at the end of the 1940s.
Gerry Meek

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