William Edwin Green Freeman

Can anybody advise me. This person is my great great grandfather. His father acordingly was Edwin Thomas Freeman. I have baptisim records stating this as true when William Edwin Green Freeman was babtised in 1903 aged then 16/17. I cannot find birth documents stating the same.

According to my Uncle he recalls William stating he was brought up in the forest by his grandparents. This i cannot confirm as i cant locate him on any census. Edwin his father seems to elaborate and obmit truths. He states he was in the Welch regient serving abroad from 1883 until 1891 (thus he couldnt be around to sire WIlliam).

Edwin joined the Work house staff on leaving the forces. His first appointment was 1894, but according to his job application it states during the time of 1883 to 1894 he was a labourer at Trafalgar mine and a Gardener for a Mr T fletcher of Upper Lydbrook. He also states he has no children at this time but is married to a Ellen (known later as Fannie).

In 1896 he changes the work house of employment, but on this application he states he was in the 11th regiment for 12 years (or 12 years ago- depending on how you want to read this statement). He also states he has a son 9 years old but living in Pershore.

The following job application 1897 again states he has no son which he sticks to for the next 4 years on following job applications. Then in 1901 he again states he has this child. What a dilema. I cant find any information to confirm William Edwin Green is Edwins son or whom is his mother. likewise i cant locate a marriage for Ellen and William (ellen states in one of her applications that she came from Botley).

If anyone has knowledge of Edwin or William or can suggest an alternative method to confirm my records I would appreciate it.

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Where was he baptized?

Joanne

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His Baptism is recorded in Shirley, Birmingham

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1851
John Morgan abt 1803 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Harriet Morgan abt 1803 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Albert Morgan abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Edwin Morgan abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Morgan J abt 1845 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Henry Morgan abt 1833 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
John Morgan abt 1826 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah Morgan abt 1837 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire

1861
John Morgan abt 1806 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Harriott Morgan abt 1805 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Albert Morgan abt 1843 Mourwood Copice, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Edward Morgan abt 1841 Mourwood Copice, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah Morgan abt 1838 Mourwood Copice, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire

1871
John Morgan abt 1803 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Harriet Morgan abt 1801 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Edwin Freeman abt 1862 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean Gloucestershire

1881 Lydbrook Hill East Dean Gloucestershire
Harriet Morgan abt 1830 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head
Edwin Treman abt 1862 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson
Eliza Treman abt 1869 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter

1891 Lydbrook
Harriet Morgan abt 1801 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire

1901
Edwin Freeman abt 1863 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Officer Rugby Warwickshire

Is this him ??

Name: William Edwin Green
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 476

Name: Elizabeth Freeman
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 228

Botley / Winchester - Southampton - links to Army garrisons perhaps

Fanny FREEMAN
Age 90
Q2 1958
Petersfield
Vol 6b
Page 363

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Could this the William Edwin in the 1901 census?

Eliza Luce, head, age 57, widow, domestic duties born Mon Crick
William E Freeman, grandson, age 13, school boy born Glos Woolaston
Dora Freeman, grandau, age 12, school girl born Glos Woolaston

RG13 4918
folio 67 page 28
Woolastone, Glos

Nicky

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This would be the 1891 census, although it states he was Ewart on this census!! I am not convinced this is the right family now!

Frederick Luce, head, age 47, general labourer born Woolaston
Eliza, wife, age 47 born Mon Caerwent
Mary, dau, age 22, general domestic servant born Woolaston
Harry, son, age 19, dyer man in paper mill born Woolaston
Ewart Freeman, grandson, age 3, born Woolaston
Dora Freeman, grandau, age 2 born Woolaston

Cone Row, Woolaston
RG12 4337
folio 16 page 10

Nicky

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Nicky. Ive seen this record but i have ruled it out. Thanks though Lynda

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Yes i thought this was the correct person and sent for the certificate. I cant find his mother named in any census after this date to locate her whereabouts. No father is mentioned on this birth cert so i cant rule it out. i know williams birthday was the 3 November and presume if is his birth records he wasnt registered until Jan of the following year. I thought maybe E. Green may have died soon after child birth but cant find her death records. The other problem is i cant find William in any census after either. Any other advise would be appreciated. Thanks Lynda

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I assume that E. Green is named as the mother. Have you narrowed a suspect E(liza ?)/ E(llen()Green down in Census data prior to 1888 ?

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Thanks slow hands for all your info but reaserch has led me to belieVe that this william edwin green is not my william edwin green freemans birth certificate. I have baptism records that state his birth date to be NOV 1886 also a news paper editorial states the sAmE. Unfortunately i still cant locate his birth details so i cannot confirm his parents...I cant even find Edwin Thomas Freemans marriage to a Ellen or Fannie prior or after williams birth..... i am at a total loss as to where to go next in proving my great grandfathers parents... Accordingly the babtism cert is only as true as the information that was given to the vicar and William obvious wanted people to beleive these people were his biological parents (even though i have documentation that states Edwin was not around at the time of conception)
ANY ADVICE WOULD BE APPRECIATED

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"oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practise to deceive"!

Could this be his Mummy?

Ellen said she came from Botley.
Winchester covers the Botley area.

On FreeBMD:

Births March 1867
GREEN Ellen WINCHESTER Vol 2c Page 98

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Possible on FreeBMD for William:
Aston covers part of Birmingham

Births March 1889
FREEMAN William ASTON vol 6d Page 294

They could have added the extra names at the baptism?

Chris

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Chris
Thanks... I will look into the Ellen as i do not know when she was born. However i cant locate her marriage to Edwin Thomas FREEMAN. As for William Edwin GREEN Freeman, he was definately born in 1886 acording to his babtism records and age of death on his death records. where did you get the idea of Aston. His babtism records were at Shirley in 190? (sorry havent got the records handy), but at the same time his parents were work house master and Matron in the area. SO many documents all contradicting each others facts ..lAAAAAAAAAAAAr

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Year: 1860
Month: Aug
Day: 19
Groom Surname: FREEMAN
Groom Forenames: Hezekial
Groom Age at Marriage: Of full age
Groom condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession: Collier
Groom Residence: Lydbrook
Groom Father's Surname: FREEMAN
Groom Father's Forenames: John
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Engineer

Bride Surname: MORGAN
Bride Forenames: Eliza Emma
Bride Age at Marriage: Of full age
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession:
Bride Residence: Lydbrook
Bride Father's Surname: MORGAN
Bride Father's Forenames: John
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: Collier

Licence or Banns: Licence
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: both sign
Witness 1: James Knight
Witness 2: Sarah Morgan
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: Temple Hamilton Chase
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes: Notice to registrar
Register Reference: P208 IN 1/5
Page No: 15
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook

1861
Hezekiah Freeman abt 1837 N, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza E Freeman abt 1845 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1862
Month: Feb
Day: 23
Parents Surname: FREEMAN
Child Forenames: Edwin Thomas
Father's Forenames: Hezekiah
Mother's Forenames: Fanny
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Lydbrook
Occupation: Collier
Officiating Minister: Wm Morgan
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: D2598 3/3
Page No: 15
Parish_Chapel: West Dean Methodist Circuit

1871
Henry Freeman abt 1834 Danbouse Ablob, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Freeman abt 1845 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Albert Freeman abt 1865 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Henry Freeman abt 1870 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Jane Freeman abt 1863 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Lourya Freeman abt 1869 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
William Freeman abt 1867 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

1881 Worral hill
Hezekiah Freeman abt 1835 Duntisbourn Abbeth, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza E. Freeman abt 1845 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Albert M. Freeman . abt 1865 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Emiley A. Freeman abt 1877 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Fredrouch S. Freeman abt 1880 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Henry H. Freeman abt 1871 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Jane E. Freeman . abt 1864 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
John M. Freeman abt 1875 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Miles Freeman abt 1876 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Sarah M. Freeman abt 1873 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
William H. Freeman abt 1867 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

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Was registered as a Freeminer No 3947 aged 68

on 18th Jan 1935, giving his residence as Lydbrook

Year: 1866
Month: Oct
Day: 11
Parents Surname: FREEMAN
Child Forenames: William Henry
Father's Forenames: Hezekiah
Mother's Forenames: Fanny
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Lydbrook
Occupation: Collier
Officiating Minister: B Jenkin
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: D2598 3/3
Page No: 32
Parish_Chapel: West Dean Methodist Circuit

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John Freeman
Accident 16/07/1888
Age14
Driver's assistant
Trafalgar
He stumbled while carrying a light in front of a horse drawing loaded trams and was run over.

Year: 1888
Month: Jul
Day: 20
Surname: FREEMAN
Forenames: John Morgan
Place of Residence: Worrall Hill Lydbrook
Age at death: 14 years
Officiating Minister: H. T. Hoitt Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause of death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P208 1N 1/12
Page No: 11
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook

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Does anyone have access to Ancestry please? There is an Edwin Thomas Freeman listed and I'm trying to find out if he is related to this posting.

Thanks
Chris

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Name: Edwin Thomas Freeman
Residence: Union Workhouse, Wallingford
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 610
Number of Images: 21

Age 48
Former occupation Workhouse master
birth East Dean

< Edwin Thomas FREEMAN 1862 Lydbrook ??>

The Welch Regiment from 10 july 1883 - april 1895(?)
served in South Africa , Eygpt and Malta

next of kin Fanny Freeman Union Workhouse
discharge may 7 1915
On leave at weekend 7 march 1915
reason Heart degeneration a/fatty

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That be he!

Thankee
Chrissy

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Hi I've just discovered this web site. I am the grand daughter of William John Freeman who was brought up by his grand parents, Hezekiah and Eliza Emma Freeman (nee Morgan) He was born in Lydbrook, Glos in October 1900.
I have other info that may be of interest to you.

Regards
Angela Horton (nee Freeman)

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Angela
You may be the answer to my prayers.
Email me on lynda.gilbey@btinternet.com so we can exchange information.... i can trace the freemans back to around 1700
Lynda

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