Joseph POWELL... whose your Daddy? (General)
My great x3 gfather was born in 1840 in Gloucestershire, and emigrated to New Zealand in 1862.
I'm trying to locate/confirm his home town and family.
What I do know is;
Prior to his departure he was presented with a prayer book (dated 1861) for services as a Sunday School teacher in Blakeney.
He married in NZ in 1866.
And he made a trip back to England in later life and used to frequent 'Speech House' in The Forest of Dean'.
Died 1917 in NZ
My research led me to a house-hold in 'Brains Green' where the family of James and Anne Powell resided, and their youngest son was Joseph who was born in 1840, and had a sister... Susan. This all fits...but...
I've recently sited a conflicting death certificate that states Josephs father was also called Joseph and his mother was Sarah.
So now I'm seeking help to locate this family to dispell/confirm one of them.
Anyone?
thankyou
regards
Craig P
James POWELL...1785 Shoe Maker Brains Green
by slowhands 
, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, April 13, 2007, 02:56 (6436 days ago) @ craig p
seems a good fit for Blakeney etc - not sure where Joseph and Sarah come from !!
Name: Joseph Powell
Year of Registration: 1840
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 498
1841 Brains Green
James Powell abt 1786 [Gloucestershire] [ Ireland ]Dean Forest Gloucestershire Shoem
Ann Powell abt 1801 Ireland Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Powell abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Hannah Powell abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
James Powell abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Jno Powell abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Joseph Powell abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Maria Powell abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Mary Powell abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Susan Powell abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
William Powell abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Mary Powell abt 1771 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
1851 Brains Green
James Powell abt 1785 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire Shoemaker
James Powell abt 1832 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Joseph Powell abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Susan Powell abt 1834 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
William Powell abt 1839 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
1861 Brains Green
James Powell abt 1784 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire Shoe Maker
Joseph Powell abt 1840 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
William Powell abt 1838 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
James POWELL...1785 Shoe Maker Brains Green
by jane gould , Saturday, April 29, 2017, 19:44 (2766 days ago) @ slowhands
I'm searching for the marriage of John Powell and ?, who lived at Hewler's Farm, Brains Green in 1850, when their daughter Elizabeth married William Wood. Can't find them in the 1841 or 1851 censuses. It's possible that John was the son of James Powell and Mary Howlder, who was baptised in Blakeney Chapel in 1799. And possibly the brother of Joseph the shoemaker! Any help would be greatly appreciated.
James POWELL...1785 Shoe Maker Brains Green
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Sunday, April 30, 2017, 00:15 (2766 days ago) @ jane gould
I'm searching for the marriage of John Powell and ?, who lived at Hewler's Farm, Brains Green in 1850, when their daughter Elizabeth married William Wood. Can't find them in the 1841 or 1851 censuses. It's possible that John was the son of James Powell and Mary Howlder, who was baptised in Blakeney Chapel in 1799. And possibly the brother of Joseph the shoemaker! Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Hi Jane, got to be quick for now as getting late, but for starters using the excellent free-to-access LDS aka FamilySearch site, looking for all John Powells in Awre. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGKL-YMM
Unsure as to how close these households were to each other as cannot read actual census forms, but presumably are near-neighbours and probably related;
1861 Census, Miller's Row, Awre, Glos
Household, Role, Sex, Age, Birthplace
James Powell Head M 60 Mealman And Wood Turner Employing 5 Men 1 Boy. Newent, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Powell Wife F 58 Awre, Gloucestershire
Emma Vaughan General Servant F 20 West Dean, Gloucestershire
John Powell Servant M 40 Carter. Awre, Gloucestershire
1861 Census, Mill End, Awre, Glos
Household, Role, Sex, Age, Birthplace
John A Powell Head M 35 Forest Of Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Powell Wife F 33 Melksham, Wiltshire
Charlotte E Powell Daughter F 4 Blakeney, Gloucestershire
Florence E Powell Daughter F 2 Blakeney, Gloucestershire
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1851 Census, Blakeney Hill, Glos
Household, Role, Sex, Age, Birthplace
Philip Powell Head M 78 Land Proprietor. Awre, Gloucestershire
Sarah Powell Wife F 55 Blakeney, Gloucestershire
William Powell Son M 48 Unmarried. Wheelwrights. Awre, Gloucestershire
John Powell Son M 35 Unmarried. Wheelwrights. Awre, Gloucestershire
1851 Census, Tything, Blakeney, Awre, Glos
Household, Role, Sex, Age, Birthplace
William Wood Head M 46 Farmer 37 Acr 1 Agr Lab. East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Wood Wife F 38 Awre, Gloucestershire
William Wood Son M 0 Awre, Gloucestershire
John Powell Lodger M 82 Past labour. Awre, Gloucestershire
Ann Powell Lodger F 78 Maisemore, Gloucestershire
James Warren Servant M 13 Agr lab. Lydney, Gloucestershire
John & Ann Powell are described as "married", suspect they are a married couple, hence most probably parents of Elizabeth, wife of William Wood as per yr 1850 marriage.
Look like same John & Ann in the 1841 census below, with a daughter Elizabeth born abt 1819.
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1841 Census, Uler'S Farm, Awre, Glos
Household, Role, Sex, Age, Birthplace
John Powell M 65-69 Gloucestershire
Ann Powell F 65-69 Gloucestershire
Ann Powell F 25-29 Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Powell F 20-24 Gloucestershire
Frederick Powell M 20-24 Gloucestershire
John Morse M 15-19 Gloucestershire
William Powell M 30-34 Gloucestershire
William Wood M 30-34 Gloucestershire
(ie Hewler's Farm)
I've tried looking thro this FoDFH site's PRs for likely Births and a Marriage to fit this household but so far no obvious hits, most names are quite common yet Frederick is so rare cannot find his birth at all, so needs more work but hopefully this helps you a little ?
James POWELL...1785 Shoe Maker Brains Green
by jane gould , Sunday, April 30, 2017, 10:34 (2766 days ago) @ Jefff
Many thanks Jeff. This is really helpful, because it shows that Ann, wife of John Powell, who was living at Hewler's (not Uler's!) farm, came from Maisemore. I amalso assuming that John and Ann are parents of Elizabeth. Hopefully I should now be able to find her birth and parents. I am attempting to following my mother's line back into the mists of time as far as I can.
James POWELL...1785 Shoe Maker Brains Green
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Sunday, April 30, 2017, 13:15 (2766 days ago) @ jane gould
Many thanks Jeff. This is really helpful, because it shows that Ann, wife of John Powell, who was living at Hewler's (not Uler's!) farm, came from Maisemore. I amalso assuming that John and Ann are parents of Elizabeth. Hopefully I should now be able to find her birth and parents. I am attempting to following my mother's line back into the mists of time as far as I can.
You're very welcome Jane, if you've not tried it in the past the FamilySearch site is often very helpful, once the filters etc are "mastered", its especially good at offering variations of name spelling. On that subject, as you're probably already aware (apologies as I have no idea what part of the world you're from), even nowadays when the broad Forest dialect is largely dying-out, the name Hewler's would be pronounced Uler's as we drop the "h" s.
THAT SAID, I can find just one HEWLER in the FoD database, and Rodway's not TOO far from your Brain's Green area so may be linked, I suspect you've already seen this in your researches.
Record_ID: 216251
Entry_Number:
Year: 1638
Month: Nov
Day: 13
Surname: HEWLER
Forenames: John
Residence: Rodley
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: sonn of James Hewler
Notes:
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/1
Page_No: 68
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn
Soundex: H460
I'll also post this transcript into your old thread abt Hewler's Farm, I guess it was transcribed after you posted it.
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=8812
Ref the spelling of Hewler's Farm, sometimes modern placenames which make sense to us are actually relatively-recent cleaned-up versions of older names which were sometimes completely different. A lot of this happened when the first O.S. maps were produced and the Army surveyors were asking local people what a place was called and mis-heard or mis-spelt what they were told. An example is how the First Edition from 1831 shows Brain's Green as Bryant's Green, hope this link works, use mouse to zoom into the area just south/below the big "L" near the centre/bottom of this map. We assume this was an error as later maps show Brain's, but then again how accurate was the local knowledge of their true history in the early 1800s, perhaps Bryant's was correct ?
http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/maps/sheet/first_edition/sheet43
That map doesn't mark Hewler's Farm, unlike this later one from 1881.
http://maps.nls.uk/view/101453691
Good luck Jane with your continued researches, hopefully searching for the BMD records of the various people listed in the Census' I found will create family groups whick link into your tree.
James POWELL...1785 Shoe Maker Brains Green
by jane gould , Sunday, April 30, 2017, 18:28 (2765 days ago) @ Jefff
Thanks again Jeff! Hewler's farm is still there in Brains Green and I have been in touch over the years with the family who most recently lived there, although I believe it is now being sold. The Hewler family were not part of my ancestry as far as I know, I've mainly got Wood/Powell/Broben so far. Family legend has it that my ggrandmother - a daughter of William Wood who married Elizabeth Powell - was from a
gypsy family. This is supported by the result of my dna testing!
James POWELL...1785 Shoe Maker Brains Green
by Mike Pinchin , Bedford, England, Sunday, April 30, 2017, 14:30 (2766 days ago) @ Jefff
Both GR and CLDS have mistranscribed the age of the 1861 John A Powell as 35.
GR 1861 Census, Millend, Awre Parish
John A POWELL Head, Mar, 31, Carter, b. Glostersh, Forest of Dean
Elizabeth, Wife, Mar, 33, Wilts, Melksham
Charlotte E, Daur, 4, Glostersh, Blakeney
Florence E, Daur, 2, Glostersh, Blakeney
George DAVIS, Lodger, Mar, 35, Tailor, Monmouth, Chepstow
Therefore it’s likely that this is his baptism from FODFHT,
Record_ID: 325112
Entry_Number: 25
Year: 1830
Month: May
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: POWELL
Child_Forenames: John Arthur
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Woodside Blakeney
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Peter Fisher Dissenting Minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: MF1244
Page_Number: 9
Parish_Chapel: Newnham and Blakeney Tabernacle
This looks like his marriage
Record_ID: 1582
Entry_Number: 13
Year: 1855
Month: Dec
Day: 24
Grooms_Surname: POWELL
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: 26
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Blakeney
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Powell
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Shoemaker
Brides_Surname: SKINNER
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age: 28
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Blakeney
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Marks
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Paul
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Ropemaker
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: James Marks
Witness_2: Mary Ann Powell
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: C. Brooksbank
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Different surnames recorded for bride and her father suggesting bride’s parents were unmarried.
Register_Reference: P50 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 7
Parish_Chapel: Blakeney
The note about the bride’s father’s different name could be resolved if she was a widow and not a spinster as stated.
GR 1851 Census, Etheredges Court, Yeovil, Somerset
William BAILEY, Head, Mar, 32, Glove leather cutter, b. London
Mary A, Wife, Mar, 26, Glove sewer, Wilts, Melksham
Mary J, Daur, 4, Somerset, Yeovil
Sarah E, Daur, 1, Somerset, Yeovil
Elizabeth SKINNER, Sister-in-law, W, 24, Glove sewer, Wilts, Melksham
Mary SKINNER, Niece, 8m, Somerset, Yeovil
Ancestry, Marriage Index
Name: Elizabeth Marks
Registration Year: 1849
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Yeovil
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 10
Page: 825
Records on Page:
Name
Triphena Batty
Joseph Bartlett Davis
Thomas Helyar
Eleanor Marks
Elizabeth Marks
Samuel Marsh
Eliza Pavard
John Skinner
GR Deaths
First Name John
Last Name Skinner
Gender Male
Year 1851
Birth Year
Birth Month
Birth Day
District Yeovil
County Somerset
Country England
Volume 10
Event Quarter 1
District Number
Page 128
Line Number 5
Entry Number
First Name Mary
Last Name Skinner
Gender Female
Year 1852
Birth Year
Birth Month
Birth Day
District Yeovil
County Somerset
Country England
Volume 5C
Event Quarter 1
District Number
Page 384
Line Number 26
Entry Number