George Murray (blacksmith) of Woorgreens (General)
Hello everyone,
I found this site earlier today and have enjoyed looking through it.
I am putting up a post in the hope that someone will be able to solve the mystery of the wife of a great granduncle of mine on my father’s side.
My great granduncle was George MURRAY, b. 1873 in Ellesmere, Shropshire, ?last child of James MURRAY, (licensed hawker and licensed lodging house keeper) of Nantwich, Cheshire and Ann STOCKTON of Hankelow, Cheshire. James and Ann married in 1856 in Ellesmere and were still living there on 1901 census.
On the 1891 census, George is living at home and is an apprentice to a coach builder. On the 1901 census though, he had become a blacksmith. Incidentally, one of his elder siblings, James (my great grandfather) was also a blacksmith.
I had been trying in vain to find a marriage for George on ancestry. There are just way too many ways to spell Murray!! Last week I found a 1901 census entry for what I think is him, married and living in Gloucestershire. Even with the extra info. from that, I still can’t find a marriage and there’s nothing for him or his family on IGI either.
The 1901 census entry is;
Civil Parish East Dean (part of)
Ecclesiastical Parish St John (part of)
Rural District East Dean and United Parishes (part of)
Parliamentary Division Forest of Dean Division of Gloucestershire (part of)
Address Woorgreens
MURRAY, George Head M. age 28 Blacksmith (worker) b. Salop, Ellesmere
MURRAY, Jane E Wife M. age 32 b. Glos, Hyde
MURRAY, Albert W Son S. age 3 b. Glos, Chalford
MURRAY, Redvers C T Son S. age 3 months b. Glos, Ruspridge
I have looked on GENUKI and found the spelling of Woorgreens to be correct but that there are 2 Hydes in the county and I’m sorry but I don’t know which one is right for Jane.
I went back to ancestry for the children’s births and found Redvers is Redvers Cecil T Murray. These forenames are not known to me in the Murray family. I haven’t found an Albert before either. There were a couple of possible entries for him but neither was an exact match for the census.
The census site I used was 1901censusonline and the index had Redvers as Reavers.
Are these people in your family too? Can anyone tell me what Jane’s maiden surname was and a date/place for her marriage to George? Were there any more children and did they all survive?
Any information would be brilliant.
Many thanks.
MURRAY at Woorgreens (nr the Dilke) possible STERRY
by slowhands 
, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, June 24, 2007, 06:17 (6364 days ago) @ craobhan
1881
James Murray abt 1826 Nantwich, Cheshire, England Head Ellesmere Shropshire
Ann Murray abt 1831 Hankelow, Cheshire, England Wife Ellesmere Shropshire
Elizabeth Murray abt 1863 Ellesmere, Shropshire, England Daughter Ellesmere Shropshire
George Murray abt 1874 Ellesmere, Shropshire, England Son Ellesmere Shropshire
James Murray abt 1858 Ellesmere, Shropshire, England Son Ellesmere Shropshire
Jane Murray abt 1867 Ellesmere, Shropshire, England Daughter Ellesmere Shropshire
Louisa Murray abt 1871 Ellesmere, Shropshire, England Daughter Ellesmere Shropshire
Thomas Murray abt 1870 Ellesmere, Shropshire, England Son Ellesmere Shropshire
John Murray abt 1872 Ellesmere, Shropshire, England Grandson Ellesmere Shropshire
1891
James Murrey abt 1825 Nantwich, Cheshire, England Head Ellesmere Shropshire
Ann Murrey abt 1831 Hankalow, Cheshire, England Wife Ellesmere Shropshire
George Murrey abt 1874 Ellesmere, Shropshire, England Son Ellesmere Shropshire
Louisa Murrey abt 1871 Ellesmere, Shropshire, England Daughter Ellesmere Shropshire
Name: Redvers Cyril T Merry
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
DISTRICT: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 283
1901 Woorgreens
George Murray abt 1873 Ellesmere, Shropshire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Jane E Murray abt 1869 Hyde, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Albert W Murray abt 1898 Chalford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Reavers C T Murray abt 1900 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Woorgreens was an old colliery and is opposite the Yew Tree Brake Lodge, very near where today you would find the Crematorium and the Dilke Hospital. ( on the Cinderford to Speech House Rd) Lightmoor on the left , Woorgreen on the right
Redvers is a christian name that appears to have become fashionable from the late 1890's onwards.
Judging by the Chalford birth for Albert, the Hyde you seek is in the "Chalford / Stroud" area...
Possible
<update 9/8/07 link disproved>
Jane and Family- note STERRY and Forest of Dean connection - coal merchant
<The Hyde is on the opposite side of the valley from Chalford Hill>
Marriage
Name: Jane Elizabeth Sterrey ??
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
DISTRICT: Highworth
County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 5
Brother Charles is living in the Swindon area in 1901
and Swindon with its famous Railway works would be a source of employment for a blacksmith or carriage maker.
1891
Emmanuel Sterry abt 1839 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Head Bisley Gloucestershire
Annie E Sterry abt 1843 Dauncey, Wiltshire, England Wife Bisley Gloucestershire
Jane E Sterry abt 1871 Chalford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Bisley Gloucestershire
William Sterry abt 1867 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Son Bisley Gloucestershire
1881
Emanuel Sterry . abt 1839 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Head Bisley Gloucestershire
Anne Elizebth. Sterry abt 1843 Dancey, Wiltshire, England Wife Bisley Gloucestershire
Chs. Sterry . abt 1869 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Son Bisley Gloucestershire
Jane Eliza Sterry abt 1871 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Bisley Gloucestershire
Wm Sterry abt 1867 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Son Bisley Gloucestershire
1871 Chalford Hill
Emanuel Sterry abt 1839 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Head Bisley Gloucestershire Miller
Anne E Sterryabt 1843 Dauntsey, Wiltshire, England Wife Bisley Gloucestershire
William Sterry abt 1867 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Son Bisley Gloucestershire
Charles Sterry abt 1869 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Son Bisley Gloucestershire
Jane E Sterry abt 1871 Chalford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Bisley Gloucestershire
Name: Jane Elizabeth Sterry
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
DISTRICT: Stroud (1837 Onw)
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 331
Emanuel STERRY 1839 - 1896 Huntley/Longhope
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, June 24, 2007, 10:10 (6364 days ago) @ slowhands
1851 Slad
John Sterry abt 1793 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Head Huntley Gloucestershire Mason
Ann Sterry abt 1821 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley Gloucestershire
Emanuel Sterry abt 1839 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley Gloucestershire
James Sterry abt 1827 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley Gloucestershire
William Sterry abt 1824 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley Gloucestershire
John Sterry abt 1850 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Huntley Gloucestershire
1841
John Sterry abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Lower and Upper Longhope Gloucestershire
Ann Sterry abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Lower and Upper Longhope Gloucestershire
Charles Sterry abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Lower and Upper Longhope Gloucestershire
Emanuel Sterry abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Lower and Upper Longhope Gloucestershire
James Sterry abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Lower and Upper Longhope Gloucestershire
Mary Sterry abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Lower and Upper Longhope Gloucestershire
Mary Sterry abt 1756 Gloucestershire, England Lower and Upper Longhope Gloucestershire
Robert Sterry abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Lower and Upper Longhope Gloucestershire
William Sterry abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Lower and Upper Longhope Gloucestershire
1896
STERREY Emanuel of Chalford hill Gloucestershire coal merchant died 5 July 1896 Probate Gloucester 4 August to Edmund Teakle and Albert Randall farmers Effects 96 pounds 4 shillings.
Emanuel STERRY 1839 - 1896 Huntley/Longhope
Thanks ever so much for all this stuff.
I'll send off for Redvers' birth certificate.
I'll let you know how I got on; might be a while though as I hear there's to be a postal strike this Friday.
Emanuel STERRY 1839 - 1896 Huntley/Longhope
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, June 25, 2007, 12:41 (6363 days ago) @ craobhan
Feedback / follow ups are always welcome
Family of George Murray Blacksmith, Woorgreens
At long last I have got the birth certificate for the second of George and Jane's children as listed on the 1901 census.
Jane's maiden name was GARDNER.
Redvers Cyril Thomas MURRAY (given as Merry on the certificate) was born 9 December 1900 at Lightmoor, East Dean R.D., registered on 18 January 1901 by his mother. His father's occupation is given as colliery blacksmith.
The certificate details are County of Gloucester/Westbury on Severn/East Dean/1901/27
I've looked on IGI and ancestry.co.uk for a marriage for George and Jane using soundex for 1898+/- 5 years in both Gloucestershire and Shropshire (where George was born and lived till the 1891 census) but I've had no luck.
Can anybody help me out please?
Many thanks.
Jane Ellen GARDNER 1869 Minchinhampton / Hyde
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, August 09, 2007, 00:50 (6318 days ago) @ craobhan
1841 Trellis (?)
Thomas Gardiner abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Bisley Gloucestershire
Betty Gardiner abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Bisley Gloucestershire
Ann Gardiner abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Bisley Gloucestershire
Martha Gardiner abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Bisley Gloucestershire
William Gardiner abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Bisley Gloucestershire
1851 Oakridge
Thomas Gardiner abt 1803 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Head Bisley Gloucestershire
Betty Gardiner abt 1805 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Bisley Gloucestershire
Ann Gardiner abt 1830 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Bisley Gloucestershire
Martha Gardiner abt 1826 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Bisley Gloucestershire
William Gardiner abt 1823 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Son Bisley Gloucestershire
Martha Gardiner abt 1828 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Sons Wife (Daughter-in-law) Bisley Gloucestershire
Sarah Gardiner abt 1848 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Sons Dau Bisley Gloucestershire
Jane Gardiner abt 1850 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Sons Dau Bisley Gloucestershire
1861
William Gardiner abt 1823 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Head Minchinhampton Gloucestershire
Henry J Gardiner abt 1852 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Son Minchinhampton Gloucestershire
Sarah A Gardiner abt 1848 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Minchinhampton Gloucestershire
Name: Jane Ellen Gardner
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Stroud (1837 Onw)
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 320
1871 Hyde
William Gardener abt 1824 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Head Minchinhampton Gloucestershire
Henry Gardener abt 1851 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Son Minchinhampton Gloucestershire
Sarah Ann Gardener abt 1848 Chalford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Minchinhampton Gloucestershire
Jane Ellen Gardener abt 1870 Branscombe, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Minchinhampton Gloucestershire
Orlando Frank Gardener abt 1866 Branscombe, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Minchinhampton Gloucestershire
Ann Gardener abt 1831 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Sister Minchinhampton Gloucestershire
Martha Gardener abt 1827 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Sister Minchinhampton Gloucestershire
1881
Jane E. Gardner abt 1868 Minchinhampton, Gloucestershire, England Servant Minchinhampton Gloucestershire
Marriage
Name: George Henry Pegler
Name: Jane Ellen Gardiner
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Stroud (1837 Onw)
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 630
1891
Jane E Peglar abt 1870 Minchinhampton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Minchinhampton Gloucestershire
< mother widowed and now PARSONS ? no husband at home>
so if husband dies, sent to a penal colony, etc , you may be looking for a PEGLER,PAGLAR , or even a PARSONS marriage.
Was Albert a son of George Pegler and Jane ? Did Jane move to the Forest with child ?
Did George Murray and Jane ever marry ? < was she still married to George Pegler >
George Henry PEGLER 1857 Bisley / Chalford
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, August 09, 2007, 01:35 (6318 days ago) @ slowhands
Name: George Henry Pegler
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Stroud (1837 Onw)
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 256
1861
Richard Peglar abt 1833 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Head Bisley Gloucestershire
Maria Peglar abt 1832 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Bisley Gloucestershire
George Peglar abt 1858 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Son Bisley Gloucestershire
James Peglar abt 1861 Bisley, Gloucestershire, England Son Bisley Gloucestershire
1871 Juvenille Offender
George Henry Pegler abt 1857 Chalford, Gloucestershire, England Inmate Clifton Gloucestershire
Marriage for George and Jane
Tried all combos I can think of but still no luck. i think this one's going to have to go on the back burner for a while. Thanks for all the help.
Albert ? 1898 Chalford
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, August 09, 2007, 22:18 (6317 days ago) @ craobhan
I have a suspicion on this entry.
There does not appear to be a related death or entry in 1901.
I wonder if this is the infant recorded as Albert Murray in Ruspidge in 1901 ?
Name: Albert Henry Pegler
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Stroud (1837 Onw)
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 317
George Henry PEGLER 1857 Bisley / Chalford
by shepway , Friday, August 10, 2007, 01:39 (6317 days ago) @ slowhands
I wonder if this entry from the Gloucester Gaol Register Index is of any help:
SURNAME FORENAME COMMITTAL AGE PARISH/TOWN OCCUPATION REF:
PEGLAR Geo. Henry 4 Apr 1874 16 Chalford Labourer Q/Gc6/6
Mike
George Henry PEGLER 1857 Bisley / Chalford
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, August 10, 2007, 02:00 (6317 days ago) @ shepway
he seems to be a "bad egg" ! and maybe using Henry as his christian name ??