Lucy and John Grindle (various spellings)

Lucy Grindle (nee Brain, parents William and Beata Brain), married John Grindell 16 Feb 1847) Found on 1851 census (curtesy of Slowhands in reply to a message from Lisa in New Zealand dated 9.02 2006)1851) Census shows child Reuben born abt 1850. Found record of his death, 1866 age 16.

I then found John and Lucy on 1861 census with further children:
Dinah abt 1853, Fred abt 1855, Milson abt 1857 and Pheobe abt 1863.

I could not find John or Lucy after 1861 but did find Milson and Pheobe living with a Joseph Grindell, listed as son and daughter.

I presumed both the parents were dead and found two death records:
A Lucy Grindall died in Sep 1862, no age at death given
A John Grindle died in 1872 age 56.

I then had a look on this site and found several articles relating to this family, most interesting one was the reply by Slowhands to Lisa from New Zealand (dated 10.02.2006). This seems to point to the fact that John and Lucy emigrated to New Zealand and left the children behind. Could anyone tell me if this is correct and does Lisa have any further information as to what happened to the family? Did the children eventually join them? Regards Jean Herbert

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http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=2118#p2119

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=798#p800

I'm sure Joseph is John's brother (1841 data)....

It looks like a John of the correct age arrives in New Zealand.

And this burial looks correct for Lucy G nee BRAIN

Year 1862
Month Jul
Day 13

Surname GRINDALL
Forename(s) Lucy
Place of Residence East Dean
Age at death 33
Officiating Minister John J. Hedges
Event Burial
Cause of death
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P110 IN 1/12
Page No 51
Parish/Chapel Littledean

< dont worry too much about the spelling, as recorded or transcribed; this couple is a "loose" end in my Grindle research >

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Hello I have a Lydia Brain

record_id 32838
Entry Number 337
Year 1789
Month Aug
Day 6
Groom Surname WALDEN
Groom Forename(s) Charles
Groom Age at Marriage
Groom condition
Groom Rank or Profession
Groom Residence Newland
Groom Father's Surname
Groom Father's Forename(s)
Groom Father's Rank or Profession
Bride Surname BRAIN
Bride Forename(s) Lydia
Bride Age at Marriage
Bride Condition
Bride Rank or Profession
Bride Residence Newland
Bride Father's Surname
Bride Father's Forename(s)
Bride Father's Rank or Profession
Licence or Banns Licence
Date of banns
Signature or Mark He marks she signs
Witness 1 Thomas Meek
Witness 2 Thomas Bond
Other witnesses
Officiating Minister P Ball vicar
Event type Marriage
Memoranda
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P227 IN 1/8
Page No 646
Parish/Chapel Newland
Soundex Groom W435
Soundex Bride B650

and a Sarah Grindall Married Thomas Walden
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record_id 32731
Entry Number 230
Year 1786
Month Oct
Day 2
Groom Surname WALDING
Groom Forename(s) Thomas
Groom Age at Marriage
Groom condition
Groom Rank or Profession
Groom Residence Newland
Groom Father's Surname
Groom Father's Forename(s)
Groom Father's Rank or Profession
Bride Surname GRINDALL
Bride Forename(s) Sarah
Bride Age at Marriage
Bride Condition
Bride Rank or Profession
Bride Residence Newland
Bride Father's Surname
Bride Father's Forename(s)
Bride Father's Rank or Profession
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of banns
Signature or Mark He signs she marks
Witness 1 Thomas Bond
Witness 2 Mark of John Morgan
Other witnesses
Officiating Minister P Ball vicar
Event type Marriage
Memoranda
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P227 IN 1/8
Page No 600
Parish/Chapel Newland
Soundex Groom W435
Soundex Bride G653

Think Charles may have died because I found a marriage record for Lydia Walding 1795 although not found a death record for a Charles that fits or a baptism for a Lydia Walding that would have been marrigable age at that time

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record_id 16417
Entry Number 714
Year 1795
Month Aug
Day 24
Groom Surname JONES
Groom Forename(s) Edward
Groom Age at Marriage
Groom condition
Groom Rank or Profession
Groom Residence
Groom Father's Surname
Groom Father's Forename(s)
Groom Father's Rank or Profession
Bride Surname WALDING
Bride Forename(s) Lydia
Bride Age at Marriage
Bride Condition
Bride Rank or Profession
Bride Residence Ruardean
Bride Father's Surname
Bride Father's Forename(s)
Bride Father's Rank or Profession
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of banns
Signature or Mark both marked
Witness 1 John WATKINS
Witness 2 John? KNIGHT
Other witnesses Joseph HARPER
Officiating Minister J H BEESTON - minister
Event type Marriage
Memoranda
Transcriber's Notes
Register Reference P275 IN 1/4
Page No 0
Parish/Chapel Ruardean
Soundex Groom J520
Soundex Bride W435

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Thank you for your message Carrie. At present I do not have a Lydia Brain in my tree. Read the marriage transcription but unfortunately it does not give her father's name. Do you have this? I did notice that one of the witnesses to marriage was a Thomas Meek. Not got him in my tree so far but do have an Amelia Meek born abt 1874 who married a Charles Brain born abt 1869. They married in 1893. Any connection?

Same with Sarah Grindall who married Thomas Walden. No father's name given. Any idea who he was? Regards Jean Herbert

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Not sure about the conections yet but we have a number of Brains, Meeks and Grindalls that are entwined into our extended Walden/Walding tree either as spouses or witnesses. Just found a Fanny Walding married a George Meek (Father John Meek). I am looking for a Thomas Walden born abt 1801 parents believed to be James Walden and Mary Meredith (I have found that record)married Elizabeth ?

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LIDIA BRAIN
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 07 JUL 1781 Ruardean, Gloucester, England
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Parents:
Father: CHRISTOPHER BRAIN
Mother: ANN
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C025811 1538 - 1558 0423291 Film 6911621 Film
C025811 1607 - 1812 0417159 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

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I have 7 Lydia/Lidia Brain's in my Family Tree including Lidia Brain baptised Ruardean 7.7.1781 Ruardean shown here, her parents Christopher Brain & Ann Jelfe had 8 children, including an earlier Lydia baptised 15.12.1771 buried 2.10.1774. However, I think it extremely unlikely that Lydia Brain baptised in 1781 married Charles Walden in 1789, which marriage is shown in this thread.

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Jim agreed - It was just an example !

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SARAH GRINDALL
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Marriages:
Spouse: JOHN MEEK
Marriage: 28 AUG 1771 Newland, Gloucester, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M036201 1754 - 1851 0856960 Film 6911883 Film
Sheet: 00

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