Philip HOPKINS birth details Hewelsfield

Hi folks

My 2 x great grandfather was Philip Hopkins, buried Hewelsfield 07.03.1847; Place of residence spelled Brockwear.

Age at death on the FOD Parish records is given as 74, suggesting a birth/baptism about 1773.

I cannot find a record of baptism in the Parish records on this site for Philip or Phillip Hopkins (Soundex) anywhere in the FOD. Is there any other way of tracing this birth?

Thank you.

John Hopkins

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Given Brockweir have you considered the IGI Llandogo entries - not that far away.
PHILIP HOPKIN
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 06 JUN 1775 Llandogo, Monmouth, England
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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM HOPKIN
Mother: FRANCES
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C058422 1725 - 1812 0104925 Film 1037085 Film
Sheet: 00

The IGI entry is "user supplied" so take caution

Philip Hopkins
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Event(s):
Birth: 1774 Of, Hewelsfield, Gloucester, England

Christening:
Death: 03 MAR 1847
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Messages:
Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church.
The record often shows the name of the individual and his or her relationship to a descendant, shown as the heir, family representative, or relative. The original records are not indexed,
and you may have to look at the film frame-by-frame to find the information you want.
A family group record for this couple may be in the Family Group Record Collection; Archive Section.
(See the Family History Library Catalog for the film number.)
These records are alphabetical by name of the father or husband.

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Source Information:
Film Number: 177850
Page Number: 201

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Thank you Slowhands - that is very interesting. Mike of monfamilies fame, believes that the St Briavels/Hewelsfield Hopkins family are connected to the Llandogo Hopkins for two reasons - one is they are just across the river, and secondly because they share so many names in common. He recently posted this branch of the Hopkins family on his Monmouthshire Yahoo Group. If you look lower down the list, I think the Philip there is the one you have located, because the parents are also William and Frances, and the birth dates are close:
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A branch of the Hopkins of Llandogo

Descendants of William Hopkins

1 William Hopkins

. +Frances Williams b: 1731 Llandogo, Mon. m: 15.01.1752 Llandogo, Mon. d: 1817
Llandogo, Mon.

2 William Hopkins b: 1754 Llandogo, Mon. d: 1837 Llandogo, Mon.

... +Sarah Clements b: 1750 Trellech, Mon. m: 06.06.1775 Llandogo, Mon. d: 1798
Llandogo, Mon.

. 3 Jane Hopkins b: 1779 Llandogo, Mon.

. 3 Molly Hopkins b: 1781 Llandogo, Mon.

. 3 Sarah Hopkins b: 1784 Llandogo, Mon.

. 3 Ann Hopkins b: 1787 Llandogo, Mon.

..... +James Adams m: 30.12.1806 Llandogo, Mon.

. 3 William Hopkins b: 1791 Llandogo, Mon. d: 1847 Llandogo, Mon.

..... +Eleanor Thomas b: 1790 Llandogo, Mon. m: 28.10.1820 St Pauls, Bristol. d:
1850 Llandogo, Mon.

. 3 Edward Hopkins b: 1795 Llandogo, Mon. d: 1795 Llandogo, Mon.

*2nd Wife of William Hopkins:

... +Eleanor Williams b: Abt. 1746 m: 11.06.1799 Llandogo, Mon. d: 1818
Llandogo, Mon.

2 Joseph Hopkins b: 1757 Llandogo, Mon. d: 19.10.1831 Llandogo, Mon.

... +Sarah Madley b: 1759 Llandogo, Mon. m: 02.06.1778 Llandogo, Mon. d: 1842
Llandogo, Mon.

. 3 Joseph Hopkins b: 1779 Llandogo, Mon.

..... +Ann Pritchard m: 12.02.1806 St James, Bristol, Glos.

. 3 Hannah Hopkins b: 1781 Llandogo, Mon.

. 3 James Hopkins b: 1783 Llandogo, Mon. d: 1784 Llandogo, Mon.

. 3 William Hopkins b: 1788 Llandogo, Mon.

. 3 Mary Ann Hopkins b: 1791 Llandogo, Mon.

. 3 Thomas Hopkins b: 1794 Llandogo, Mon.

..... +Elizabeth Green b: Abt. 1800 Langstone, Mon. m: 22.09.1823 Langstone,
Mon.

. 3 John Hopkins b: 1796 Llandogo, Mon.

..... +Elizabeth Williams b: Abt. 1797 Llantrissent, Mon. m: 21.04.1820
Llantrissent, Mon.

. 3 George Hopkins b: 1800 Llandogo, Mon.

..... +Ann Williams b: 1806 Trellech, Mon. m: 31.12.1827 Newland, Glos.

2 John Hopkins b: 1760 Llandogo, Mon. d: 1828 Llandogo, Mon.

... +Ann Baldwin b: Abt. 1763 Llandogo, Mon. m: 12.06.1780 Llandogo, Mon.

2 Elizabeth Hopkins b: 1762 Llandogo, Mon.

... +William Jones m: 03.07.1785 Llandogo, Mon.

. 3 James Jones b: 1788 Llandogo, Mon.

2 James Hopkins b: 1767 Llandogo, Mon. d: 1829 Llandogo, Mon.

2 Philip Hopkins b: 1772 Llandogo, Mon. d: 1813 Llandogo, Mon.

... +Alice Clements b: 1759 Llandogo, Mon. m: 18.02.1794 Llandogo, Mon. d: 1844
Llandogo, Mon.

. 3 William Hopkins b: 1794 Llandogo, Mon.

..... +Rachel Evans m: 16.02.1820 Llanbaddock, Mon.

. *2nd Wife of William Hopkins:

..... +Sarah Bailey b: 1810 Malmesbury, Wilts. m: 03.05.1830 Caerwent, Mon.

. 3 Philip Hopkins b: 1797 Llandogo, Mon. d: 08.12.1863 Llandogo, Mon.

..... +Elizabeth Bevan b: 1780 Trellech, Mon. m: 03.07.1824 Trellech, Mon. d:
03.05.1871 Llandogo, Mon.

. 3 Jane Hopkins b: 1800 Llandogo, Mon.

. 3 John Hopkins b: 1803 Llandogo, Mon.

..... +Jane b: Abt. 1818 Cardiff, Glam.

2 Thomas Hopkins b: 1775 Llandogo, Mon.
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Unfortunately, the details for Philip differ from the Philip who is my 2 x ggfather - the name of his wife was Sarah Jane b: 1773 d: 23.01.1847 Hewelsfield, Glos; and my Philip died 1847.

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oops, sorry Slowhands. I have just gone back and checked your post, and see that you have that Philip with the correct date of death, and an approx correct birthdate. I may have been misled by Mike's family tree because the parent's names are the same. It is quite difficult when you have families that use the same names over and over again, isn't it. My apologies once again - I will follow up your references.

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Would someone be kind enough to do a 1841 Census lookup for me for this Philip Hopkins? I understand the reference is Piece 364/4 Folio 22.

Thank you.

John Hopkins

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Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 364; Book: 4;
Civil Parish: St Briavells Common; County: Gloucestershire;
Enumeration District: 12; Folio: 21; Page: 15; Line: 15;
GSU roll: 288776.

location Hudnalls

Phillip Hopkin abt 1776 Gloucestershire, England St Briavells Common Gloucestershire
Sarah Hopkin abt 1776 Gloucestershire, England St Briavells Common Gloucestershire
Alice Hopkin abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England St Briavells Common Gloucestershire
Maria Hopkin abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England St Briavells Common Gloucestershire

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Goodness gracious, that was quick! Your willingness to do this sort of thing, and the speed of the internet in linking us together both continue to amaze me.

Thanks once again slowhands. John

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Hi
I wonder if someone would be kind enough to look up pre 1847 census records for these two please? They are my great great grandparents.

According to the parish records on this site:
Sarah Hopkins was buried 20 Jan 1847 aged 73, Residence Brockwear, Parish Hewelsfield.
Philip died 3 March 1847, buried 7 March 1847 aged 74, same residence and parish.

I have not been able to locate:
1. a baptism record for Philip
2. a marriage record for them
3. the maiden name for Sarah, and hence no baptism record.

Frustratingly the FoD parish records for Llandogo have a birth record for a Phillip Hopkins in 1772 (near enough...), but it is not the right Philip - I have been in touch with two of his descendants and confirmed this.

I purchased Philip's death cert from the GRO hoping it would have details of place of birth, but my hope was vain!

I wonder if any of you wise souls can find Philip and Sarah on the census records prior to 1847? Perhaps there is a place of birth there which might narrow down my search. Any other suggestions to locate my great great grandparents would be gratefully received. Thanks. John

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1841 Census St Briavells Common

Hudnalls

Phillip HOPKIN 65 - ag lab (all born in County)
Sarah HOPKIN - 65
Alice HOPKIN -25
Maria HOPKIN- 20

christened twice?

Maria HOPKINS christened 26 October 1819 (residence Brockweir Common) - Labourer - @ St Briavels - Philip & Sarah

Maria HOPKINS christened 14 November 1819 - Labourer -(residence Hewlsfield Common) - Philip & Sarah

Hewlsfield

Ann HOPKIN christened address Hudnalls - 31 January 1813
Jane HOPKIN - ditto 21 March 1814

+ If you use the advanced search on FOD records for baptisms of Philip & Sarah HOPKIN(S)

Philip - 1794 Hewlesfield
Elinor - 1798
William - 26 December 1799, Chapel Hill, Monmouth
Charles - 1803
Thomas - 1804

Also, if you use the Advanced Search for HOPKIN as witness to weddings - e.g. There is a Philippia HOPKINS marrying in Hewelfield - 4 November 1784 - and an Elinor (family name?) - so a closer look at Hewlesfield may give more clues.

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Thank you very much for that look up for me. The names of Phillip and Sarah are right (though Philip has been given two 'l's, but that is to be expected). The ages are odd though. They died in 1847 aged 74 and 73, so they should have been older at the census.

They did have daughters called Alice and Maria. Maria's age is right but I did not have an age for Alice. Maria is an ancestor of Mike Johns of monfamilies.

Philip and Sarah also had a daughter called Jane and the birth date is right for her. I do not have an Ann listed (and neither does Mike Johns) so I will add her to the family - thank you.

The Philip, William, and Charles you list are recorded for this family, as is Thomas, who is my great great grandfather. However, I am puzzled about Elinor, because I thought she was a child of the other Phillip Hopkins of Llandogo. I will have to chase up Elinor to see what has happened there.

I am pretty sure that the Phillipia Hopkins is another family, but no doubt she was related to my Philip and Sarah.

I am not familiar with using the Advanced Search function, so I will follow that up as well.

Thank you very much for the Census look up in particular, because it confirms that Philip and Sarah were born in the Forest and this will narrow down my search for Philip's birth and hence his parents' names. The family story from my great grandfather (Thomas's son William) who migrated to NZ in 1860, is that the family are Welsh, and Mike Johns believes we are part of the Llandogo lot. However, in the Hopkins line I am yet to find a birth outside of the Forest, except for people who married into the Hopkins family. They could still be Welsh though! Thanks again.

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"The ages are odd though"

If you want the actual copy of the 1841 entry 'click on my envelope' and I will forward it on to you and will show how the Enumerator rounded all the ages on the page up to the nearest 5 years as per their instructions. Also people's ages fluctuate (sometimes wildly on census returns).

1841 Transcription Hints Transcription Sofware

http://www.freewebs.com/mmjeffery/1841enumeratorinstructions.htm

Also use the advanced search checking for witnesses at weddings - sometimes this helps

1841 Census Glos. St Briavells Common
Hudnalls

William HOPKIN - 35 - Carpenter - all born in County
Mary HOPKIN - 35
Mary HOPKIN - 8
Elizabeth HOPKIN -5
Eleanor HOPKIN - 3
listed next
James VINCENT - 14 Carpenter

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Thank you very much - I will follow up on all of these.

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It might be the glass of wine I've just had....

but on FOD records...

St Briavels

Phillip HOPKIN - Parish of Woolaston in the County of Gloucester married

Sarah HOPKIN, Spinster of this Parish - 2 December 1793

the Mark of William WILLIAMS and William HULIN

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Philippia HOPKIN married a William WILLIAMS in Hewlesfield - 4 November 1784 - witnesses - Warren HOPKIN and Mark HOPKIN

There is on the CLDS - a baptism of a Phillippa HOPKIN at St Briavels - Jan 1740 - parents Thomas & Ann HOPKIN.

Christening at Hewelsfield, 17 October 1773, Sarah HOPKIN daughter of Samuel & Mary

There is also an Elinor HOPKIN christened 5 February 1780 at Tintern, Monmouth - parents Mary and Jas (residence Brockweir!!!) who appear to have children christened at Hewlesfield - Mary & James.

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Oh dear, I am covered in confusion and self doubt. My deepest apologies to you regarding the marriage of Philip and Sarah Hopkin - at some stage in the past, I had found this record, and was confused by the fact that they had the same surname prior to marriage. I asked the question on this very forum and was assured that first cousin marriage was common for a variety of reasons. I promptly stored the information away as printouts and forgot to enter the data in my e-records...

When I tried to find the marriage the other day, I forgot all about this, and of course only searched under Philip Hopkins (Soundex on). And Soundex only works with the surname, so unless you use the double l in Philip, you don't find the record. I had not had a wine at the time.

So I apologise to you for that.

However, as you point out, your search turned up a link between my family and another Hopkins family, in the form of William Williams. I think that William married into the Llandogo Hopkins, so I will follow that up to confirm it. The latter family is the one where I have contact with two descendants who live not far from the Forest. I note that William Williams' wife's parents have the same name as my great great grandparents, but they cannot be her parents because of the years. However, that does suggest another possible link between the families.

I learned one new fact from Philip's certificate of death. One of his daughters, Sarah Worgan (who had married William Worgan of Hewelsfield) was in attendance at his death.

Thanks once again. My search for Philip's baptism, and hence the names of his parents, continues...

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Hi folks

Several descendants have been trying to get a birth record for my great great great grandfather Philip/Phillip Hopkins/Hopkin.

I have his death notice, where he is recorded as dying at St Briavels in May 1820 aged 74 years. A search of the Parish Records on this site shows him as being buried at Hewelsfield 8 May 1820. His marriage record is also on this site - 2 Dec 1793, groom's residence being given as "Parish of Woolaston in the County of Gloucester".

So far so good. Thus far, those of us who have been searching have found only one possible candidate, baptised Phillip Hopkin, Llandogo Monmouthshire, 25 Oct 1772. That person fits in a number of ways, but other researchers I have been in touch with have a convincing line of descent from him that suggests he cannot be "my" Philip/Phillip (unless he maintained two households...).

This feels like my last throw of the dice on this one before giving up... Are there any other ways of finding out when and where my ancestor was born? For example, are there any records at this early date other than Parish Records? Was there a census during his lifetime in England or Wales that would record whether he was born in county, or elsewhere? Even the latter may help.

I know I have asked about him before on this site, but this is the last time. Promise!

Thanks for any assistance.
John

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Have you searched the Gloucestershire Records Office database?

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Search.aspx

for Wills say between 1772 & 1821 for HOPKIN(S)

There is a Will for a William HOPKIN at Woolaston - 1796 and Thomas HOPKIN Hewlesfield 1817 (Shipwright).

Also on National Archives - there is a Will of Warren HOPKIN - Shipwright of Woolaston - dated 5 May 1792 which I've down-loaded and will try and type out. In this Will, he talks Elinor/Eleanor - daughter of (Thomas Hopkin ) and nephew William HOPKIN. The Will was written 3 February 1788 when he says 'considering the uncertainty of this shortened life and being of sound perefect mind etc. Seems to be leaving an Orchard known by the name of ......... Worgan's. Very difficult to read this Will. The end parts talks about Eleanor HOPKIN Spinster when the Will was proved in London. The witnesses to the Will were, Thomas EMUNDS, Benj LEWIS and William SYNER - a SYNER was witness to James HOPKIN marriage.

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This Will doesn't appear on the Gloucestershire Index.

National Archives

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

In the search box type : Wills

Then search for HOPKIN, Gloucestershire. Quite a few going back to 17th century. Apart from Wills on the NA - there are quite a few items re James HOPKINS, Chepstow, Shipwright, James HOPKIN Jnr of Brockweare - witnesses inc. Warren HOPKIN etc. etc.

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Sometimes purchasing a copy Will either confirms or dismisses theories.

If Warren HOPKIN - had a nephew William HOPKIN

was Warren HOPKIN the son of Thomas & Ann HOPKIN, christened at Hewlesfield - 18 March 1750?

other children of Thomas & Ann HOPKIN on Fod Records

Eleanora - 13 January 1737 - Hewlesfield
Thomas - 10 March 1739 - Hewlesfield
Philip - 1740 - St Briavels
James - 15 May 1743 - all Hewlesfield
Martha - 14 July 1745
John - 17 January 1748
William - 12 January 1753
Mary - 29 October 1755

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Ancestry: UK Poll Books & Electoral Register

Huelsfield

Warren HOPKINS 1776 - St Briavels, Huelsfield, Wooafton

Houfe & garden : Tenure: Benjamin CHAMBERLAIN

Going back on previous reply....

When Phillip HOPKIN married Sarah HOPKIN (may be first cousins?)- 2 December 1793, one witness was William WILLIAMS

and then

a Phillipia HOPKIN married William WILLIAMS 4 November 1784 at Hewlesfield, one witness was Warren HOPKIN

Looking at the CLDS, there are quite a few baptisms of William & Phillipa WILLIAMS in Verynam, Cornwall, after 1784.

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FoD records - Hewlesfield

Warren HOPKIN married Mary YOUNG - 10 April 1748

Christening of Warren HOPKIN - 28 May 1775 - parents William & Susan
Christening of Warren HOPKIN - 9 May 1784 - Thomas & Sarah

Warren & Mary Anne HOPKIN - christening of Sarah at Hewlesfield - 19 March 1807 (residence Brockwear)

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Gloucestershire Burial Index

Hill Bishops Transcripts 1813-1851

Warren HOPKINS, age 27 - 5 June 1820

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My deepest apologies. This is the second time I have done something like this on this site and it must be irritating to see it happening again.

I had forgotten the previous thread - I think one of those things happened afterwards where I was not able to follow up the suggestions. I had really given up on finding an origin for Philip, but recently my interest has been revived by a researcher from Australia who is also trying to pin him down. We are both descended from the same Great Great Grandparents, Thomas and Sarah Hopkins. Thomas was a son of Philip. Our two Great Grandfathers were brothers.

I got revved up again by her contact, and forgot where I had got up to in previous enquiries.

Once again, my apologies and thanks.

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As an aside, William Syner's gravestone at Hewelsfield is in the Photo Gallery if you search for William Fear, his brother-in-law.

Peter

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Had another look at the short Will of Warren HOPKIN, Shipwright, Woolaston - dated 3 February 1788 - and can't make out whether Elinor HOPKIN the daughter of Thomas HOPKIN is his sister/wife or most likely Niece but she is the Sole Executrix of the Will.

Very briefly - and a number of smudges which make it difficult to decifer...

In the name of God Amen Warren HOPKIN of the Parish of Woolaston in the County of Gloucester Shipwright considering the uncertainty of this short...... life and being of sound perfect mind and ..... do make and publish this my last Will and Testament in manner and form following. Firest I Give and Bequeath to my wife/sister/neice (looks like Srrirc) the daughter of Thomas HOPKIN (smudgy) first? .... that Orchard known by the name of ........... Worgan's during her nature life and after her decease I Give and Bequeath the said Orchard to my nephew William HOPKIN his Heirs and Afzises forever and as to the rest of my Freehold Leashold personal affects Goods and Chattels of whatever nature or kind soever whatsoever situated I give and bequeath to my (wife/sister?) Eleanor HOPKIN her Heirs and Afsizes for over whom I appoint Sole Executrix of this my Last Will and Testament hereby ...... all found Wills by me made In witnefs whom I have everunto set my hand and seal the 3 day of February in the year of our Lord 1 July 1788 Warren HOPKIN.

Signed sealed publish and declared by the above named Warren HOPKIN to be his last Will and Testament in the presence of use who have hereunto subscribed our names as witnefses in the presence of the estate

Thomas EDMUNDS
Benj LEWIS (? Burial at Hewlesfield 12 October 1794, Benjamin LEWIS)
William SYNER

When the Will was proved in London - 5 May 1792 - Eleanor HOPKIN is a Spinster and the same word again Srric or Heire??

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Fod Records: have baptisms at Hewlesfield, parents Thomas & Anne HOPKIN

Thomas - 10 March 1739 (Eleanor could be his daughter and also may be William is the Nephew mentioned)

Forest of Dean FHT Forum

Philip HOPKINS birth details Hewelsfield (General)

Philip HOPKINS birth details circa 1774 Hewelsfield