Lea Hamlet and Lea Bailey near Hope Mansel

I have found relatives living in Lea Hamlet 1861 (situated on the Purlieu) and Lea Bailey. Using the Census and maps it seems this is east of Hope Mansell.

Does anyone know if this was a specific hamlet or just a collection of dispersed homes within the woodland?

Thankyou,

Haydn

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On the Lea Parish Council Web site you will find many interesting facts about Lea Village taken from Littlebury's Directory 1876.
http://www.theleaparishcouncil.org.uk/lea-village/lea-village.php

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Thankyou,

I will look at the links as well as the 'Find a Location' facility.

Haydn.

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Lea is a village on the Herefordshire / Gloucestershire border, on the main road between Gloucester and Ross on Wye. North of Mitcheldean, and Wigpool Common. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Lea/index.html
http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm?mapAction=gaz&gazName=g&...

Lea Bailey is an area West of Wigpool Common and East of Hope Mansell.
Its name is associated with a wooded Inclosure, and number of cottages spread out in that area and Lea Bailey Farm. Its generally thought of as within East dean, however it was a Tithing in its own right and a detached part of Newland.
http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm?mapAction=gaz&gazName=g&...

Lea Bailey tithing, where Newland parish officers had administered relief only intermittently and had never levied poor rates, relieved its own poor from the late 17th century. (fn. 11) It came to be regarded as a separate parish and in 1836 became part of the new Herefordshire poor-law union of Ross. (fn. 12) In the 1880s Lea Bailey was dismembered and its constituent parts added to various adjoining parishes

From: 'Forest of Dean: Local government and public services', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 5: Bledisloe Hundred, St. Briavels Hundred, The Forest of Dean (1996), pp. 377-381. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23269 Date accessed: 28 February 2010.

LEA BAILEY is a tything of this parish, in Ross union, containing, by the census of 1861, 231, and in 1871, 253 inhabitants. It forms a portion of the Ecclesiastical district of Holy Trinity, East Dean, and consists chiefly of scattered groups of houses, lying between Cinderford and Mitcheldean Road Station on the Ross and Hereford Railway.
from
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cbennett/newland1876.htm

The Purlieu is between Lydney and Blakeney , on the old Roman road, linking Gloucester and Chepstow.
http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm?mapAction=gaz&gazName=g&...

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Thankyou,

I am off to look at the OS map now, as well as the 1880s map on 'British History Online' website.

Haydn.

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"The Purlieu" to which Haydn refers is Perlieu - see Upper Perlieu Wood, and Perlieu Barn on OS Pathfinder 1088 map, approx. 1km south of Hope Mansell. So in the Hope Mansell area, not to be confused with The Purlieu between Blakeney and Lydney.

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indeed ....
http://www.geograph.org.uk/showmap.php?gridref=SO6220

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To add further to this confusion,there are 2 Lea Baileys.Lea Bailey 1 which as stated was near Hope Mansel and Lea Bailey 2 which was a part of what is now Cinderford,it had a series of names over the years,sometimes being known as Woodside or Littledean Woodside.This caused me great confusion when I first started researching my family tree because originally my Teague family were from the Ruardean/Hope Mansel area and later on the Lea Bailey 2 area which was in the part of Cinderford now known as Littledean Hill Rd and Causeway Rd.This features in the 1851/1881 censuses and is sometimes referred to as 'Lea Hamlet'.

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Maurice

I think these are one and the same, and perhaps correctly should be referred to as the Lea Bailey Tithing. This stretched from the outskirts of what we know as Cinderford up towards Mitcheldean, and included the Lea Bailey Hill area.

As Cinderford developed and pushed out into the area around the Causeway / Dockham it " swallowed up" the lands that were in the Lea Bailey tithing.

At Cinderford, where new building was mostly on land in East Dean township, Flaxley parish, and Lea Bailey tithing, three small extraparochial places on Littledean hill remained outside the poor-law system until 1869 when they were constituted the parish of Hinder's Lane and Dockham within the Westbury union. (fn. 9) That parish disappeared in 1884 when East Dean's boundaries were extended to include most of the town. (fn. 10)

However I do agree it can be very confusing i.e. is it Lea Bailey Hill nr Hope Mansell , or Lea Bailey tithing stretching up to Cinderford.

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I have watched with interest the letters about Lea Bailey and have learned a lot.
I and my family have lived in Lea Bailey for almost 50 years. Our property is on, or very near at least 3 boundries. We have garden in Gloucestershire, house in Herefordshire, an on moving just yards down the road we are now in Weston under Penyard parish and no longer Lea. I think the Forest boundry also crosses our land.
No wonder strangers find Lea Bailey confusing !

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Hello

Appreciate this post is very old but yours caught my eye! As your family have been associated with Lea Bailey for so long, was wondering if you knew of an Annie Waters, she lived in The Shaw's, Lea Bailey, and died in 1954. I think she may have taken in evacuees during the war as there are children living with her on the 1939 census.

She would have been my maternal gt gt aunt!

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Hi Sophie,
just to advise that as jmay's username displays as blue and not black shows they are still using the forum. However clicking on the username hyperlink shows they've not accessed the forum since last January; it may be worth your sending them a private message which goes directly into their email inbox, so will be seen without them accessing the forum; click on the envelope icon next to their username.

Hope this helps !

Btw thanks for reminding me that despite Britain not declaring war until 3rd September 1939, the first evacuation of British children started on the 1st of September. Hence they would be recorded as-such on the 1939 Register which was taken on 29th September. My wife's tree has cases such as this, as her mother's family lived near the Naval Dockyards in Woolwich, London. You could try researching the births of the children at Annie Waters' house to find if they came from an evacuated city, with luck there are siblings or have unusual names and so ease tracing them ?

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About two years ago, I posted a request to where this could be. At the moment I am revisiting some of my old searches and this place has cropped up again.

However, with a bit of help from Admin, I think the reference on the 1861 Census refers to an interesting place called Knacker's Hole, south of Bill Mill above the Hope Mansell valley. It is mentioned in the Gloucestershire records at British History online. It seems (to me) that it was a small island of Gloucestershire surrounded by Herefordshire!

My direct ancestors were last there in acout 1876, but others may have been there in 1841, when it was called 'Nackers', but beyond that I can find no other official records mentioning the place. There is a Knacker's Hole Grove near Little Perlieu on today's OS Map, however.

Does anyone have any other information? Thanks for your help.

Haydn

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There is a Perlieu Barn and Upper Perlieu Wood just off the Hawthorns ( Drybrook) to Hope Mansell road.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/showmap.php?gridref=SO6318

and Knackers Hole Grove is just off the Pontshill to Walford road

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/896246

http://www.geograph.org.uk/showmap.php?gridref=SO6221

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Thankyou.

The map link is far better than I managed to find. I think the buidings tucked away on the north east corner of KHG look promising.

In 1861, my GG Grandmother was living with her parents at Lea Hamlet (Knacker's Grove) with her parents, her brother was living at Hope's Ash Farm and her husband-to-be was a servant to Alfred Wintle at Bill Mill. It's all within walking distance!

What had thrown me off the trail for ages was that on their transcribed marriage details in 1861 their residence was Lea Bailey. I contacted Admin and unfortunately on checking, they didn't write Knacker's Hole as their address.

The database is brilliant, but isn't miraculous!

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their residence was Lea Bailey

Lea Bailey Inclosure is probably a more accurate description of where they are ....

Bill Mills
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1574994

Little Purlieu Woods
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/603736

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Thankyou. I've just been looking at an 1891 map and found Lea Bailey Inclosure as the large area East of Mitcheldean (and I suppose the 'formerly detached part' around Knacker's Hole)

Interestingly, there are buildings there called Banner's Cottage and... Knacker's Hole. I have also found an entry on the 1901 Census for George Robins. woodman (a 3xgreat uncle, and oldest son)living at Knacker's Hole, Walford, Herefordshire. I think this is the same place. If so the 'residency' rights must have passed down to him.

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