Looking for my great grandfather - Any Ideas? (General)

by saralarasdog, Saturday, May 01, 2010, 02:53 (3795 days ago)

I've been looking for my great grandfather with no luck. He was born out of wedlock in or around 1860. I can't find a baptism for him anywhere. I know he was born in the Forest of Dean but I can't find anything more specific than that. I got his birthplace from the Family Serch Records (from a census record when he was in his 20's and then living in Yorkshire). His marriage cert. only says Forest of Dean as well. I'm under the impression that he was Catholic as my grandmother was Catholic. His wife was also Catholic but unfortunately, she was Irish and her information was lost in the great fire. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to go from here?

Looking for my great grandfather - Any Ideas?

by admin ⌂, Forest of Dean, Saturday, May 01, 2010, 04:09 (3795 days ago) @ saralarasdog

Telling us the names of your great grandfather and his mother would be the first idea that comes to mind. We could then try and come up with something for you.

Second idea, have you searched for his baptism in the Parish Records section of this Web site?

Third idea, give us more details of what is on his marriage certificate. Where was he married, is there anything listed in the fathers name section? Where on the marriage certificate is the reference to the Forest of Dean, is it his place of residence?

The more relevant details you share with us the easier it will be to help you. Reading our Posting Guidelines will assist you.

Looking for my great grandfather - Any Ideas?

by saralarasdog, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 03:15 (3771 days ago) @ admin

Hi Admin,
I have my great-grandfather's marriage cert. in my hands. His mother is not named on this. His father's name is George Smedley and I have found reference to a George Smedley in Parkend. The records show that George marries a lady called Caroline Griffiths a year before my great-grandfather is born. This Caroline is from Yorkley. My grand mother (so my great-grandfather's daughter) is also called Caroline. I still have not located his birth, so I can't be sure that this George is his father. The marriage cert. has him living in Yorkshire by then (at age 24). Hubert (my great-grandfather) is listed as a coal miner and so is George. Any ideas of where to go from here? The birth cert. just doesn't seems to be anywhere.

Hubert GRIFFITHS / SMEDLEY 1860 - 1922

by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 07:13 (3770 days ago) @ saralarasdog

Year: 1832
Month: May
Day: 13
Grooms_Surname: SMEDLEY
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: PICKFORD
Brides_Forenames: Pamilla
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: William Jones
Witness_2: Mark of Dorothea Smedley
Other_Witnesses: Thomas Hulin Clerk
Officiating_Minister: Yate Fosbroke Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 85
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels


1841 Staunton Lane
Thomas Smedley abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Pamela Smedley abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Smedley abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
George Smedley abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire



Name: Hubert Griffiths
Year of Registration: 1860
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 20


Name: Caroline Griffiths
Name: George Smedley
Year of Registration: 1860
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 35

Year: 1860
Month: Sep
Day: 8
Grooms_Surname: SMEDLEY
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age: 21
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Moseley
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Smedley
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: GRIFFITHS
Brides_Forenames: Caroline
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Yorkley
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Griffiths
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: George
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: Elizabeth Smedley
Witness_2: Henry Gunter
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: [illegible] Ebsworth
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Incumbent
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/20
Page_Number: 233
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1861 Yorkley
George Smedly abt 1840 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Caroline Smedly abt 1841 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire


Name: Pamela Smedley
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 25


1871 Kimberworth Yrks
George Smedley 31 Coleford
Caroline Smedley 30 Yorkley
Herbert Smedley 10 Yorkley
Pamela Smedley 8 Yorkley
Mercy Smedley 6 Hanley Staffs


1881
Hubert Smedley abt 1860 Forest Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Kimberworth, Yorkshire

1891
Hubert Smedley abt 1861 Gloster Head Kimberworth, Yorkshire
Julia Smedley abt 1866 Dublin, Ireland Wife Kimberworth, Yorkshire
W Harry Smedley abt 1885 Masbrough, Yorkshire, England Son Kimberworth, Yorkshire
Margaret Smedley abt 1889 Masbrough, Yorkshire, England Daughter Kimberworth, Yorkshire
Annie Agnes Smedley abt 1890 Masbrough, Yorkshire, England Daughter Kimberworth, Yorkshire

Name: Caroline Smedley
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Rotherham
County: Derbyshire, South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 753

1901
Hubert Smedley abt 1861 Gloucestershire, England Head Rotherham, Yorkshire
Julia Smedley abt 1866 Ireland Wife Rotherham, Yorkshire
James Smedley abt 1881 Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Son Rotherham, Yorkshire
George Smedley abt 1886 Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Son Rotherham, Yorkshire
Maggie Smedley abt 1888 Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Daughter Rotherham, Yorkshire
Annie Smedley abt 1890 Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Daughter Rotherham, Yorkshire
Tom Smedley abt 1892 Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Son Rotherham, Yorkshire
Juluia Smedley abt 1896 Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Daughter Rotherham, Yorkshire
Mary Smedley abt 1899 Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Daughter Rotherham, Yorkshire
Carry Smedley abt 1900 Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Daughter Rotherham, Yorkshire

1911
SMEDLEY HUBERT M 1861 50 Rotherham Yorkshire West Riding
SMEDLEY JULIA F 1864 47 Rotherham Yorkshire West Riding
some or all of these in same household !
SMEDLEY ADA F 1905 6 Rotherham Yorkshire West Riding
SMEDLEY ALICE F 1902 9 Rotherham Yorkshire West Riding
SMEDLEY CARRIE F 1901 10 Rotherham Yorkshire West Riding
SMEDLEY EDITH F 1872 39 Rotherham Yorkshire West Riding
SMEDLEY GEORGE M 1884 27 Rotherham Yorkshire West Riding
SMEDLEY JULIA F 1896 15 Rotherham Yorkshire West Riding
SMEDLEY MARY F 1899 12 Rotherham Yorkshire West Riding
SMEDLEY TOM M 1893 18 Rotherham Yorkshire West Riding
SMEDLEY TOM M 1871 40 Rotherham Yorkshire West Riding

Name: Hubert Smedley
Death Registration Month/Year: 1922
Age at death (estimated): 61
Registration district: Rotherham
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 805

Name: Caroline Smedley
Spouse :Frederick B Jarvis
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1922
Registration district: Rotherham
Registration county (inferred): Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 1554

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Hubert GRIFFITHS / SMEDLEY 1860 - 1922

by saralarasdog, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 20:41 (3770 days ago) @ slowhands

Hi Slowhands,
Thank you Slowhands!! So, I guess I couldn't find him as he was baptised GRIFFITHS. Some of the census isn't quite right (i.e. my grandmother was born in 1899 and James wasn't a son of Hubert's). My Grandmother said Hubert was estranged from his parents, so it's nice to put it all together. I can't find a birth for Joseph (Thomas's father) but I suspect it's on or about 1786. So my journey ends here. I do know Pamela dies in 1860 and Thomas re-marries to an Anne. Thank you so much for all the effort put into solving this mystery for me.

Joseph SMEDLEY 1786 - 1864 Ashover DER

by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 06:39 (3770 days ago) @ saralarasdog

I guess you are baseing Joseph's life on this :-

Year: 1864
Month: Aug
Day: 21
Surname: SMEDLEY
Forenames: Joseph
Residence: Coleford
Age_at_death: 78
Officiating_Minister: Francis R. Morgan Off[iciatin]g Min[iste]r
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page_No: 143
Parish_Chapel: Newland

leads me out of the area to


1861
Joseph Smedley abt 1787 Ashover, Derbyshire, England Head Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Ann Smedley abt 1787 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Joseph Smedley abt 1851 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Smedley abt 1854 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire

1851
Joseph Smedley abt 1787 Ashover, Derbyshire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Ann Smedley abt 1788 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
William Alfred abt 1824 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son-in-law Newland, Gloucestershire
Ming Alfred abt 1831 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Nephew Newland, Gloucestershire


Year: 1809
Month: Oct
Day: 16
Grooms_Surname: SMEDLEY
Grooms_Forenames: Joseph
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: ROBERTS
Brides_Forenames: Anne
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of William Walker
Witness_2: Thos Bond
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Tay[lo]r Matt[he]w Procter vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 145
Parish_Chapel: Newland


and then to :-

Joseph Smedley
---------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 25 DEC 1786 Ashover, Derby, England
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Parents:
Father: Anthony Smedley
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C320709 1622 - 1623 1041018 Film NONE
C320709 1661 - 1898 1041018 Film NONE
Sheet:

and possibly :-

Anthony Smedley
--------------------------------------------
Marriages:
Spouse: Sarah Watts
Marriage: 21 MAR 1782 Ashover, Derby, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
----------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M139031 1653 - 1800 1041018 Film NONE
Sheet:

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

SMEDLEY - old FoD Board messages

by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 07:37 (3769 days ago) @ saralarasdog

My Smedley family stopped briefly in the Forest of Dean for half a generation or so, en route from Derbyshire to South Wales. Is anyone else interested in them?
Sara White


London, UK
Sunday, April 12, 1998 at 19:39:25


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Researching Ancestors of George Hathaway and wife, Sarah Smedley believed to have originated around Hewelsfield and Brockweir - Left for NZ in 1863
Malcolm J Tarr


Auckland, Auckland New Zealand
Friday, May 31, 2002 at 10:18:20

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

SMEDLEY - old FoD Board messages

by saralarasdog, Saturday, May 29, 2010, 23:18 (3766 days ago) @ slowhands

Hi Slowhands,
I would be very interested in your Smedley line. Thanks for tracking down my Joseph Smedley and his father, Anthony. Are you and I loosely related?

SaraLarasDog

SMEDLEY - old FoD Board messages

by Dannemois @, Wednesday, January 08, 2020, 16:48 (255 days ago) @ saralarasdog

Hello Sarah; I'm not sure if you are still active on this site but I reply in case. I have an interest in Daniel Smedley and wife Mary Anne who came to South Wales around 1850s.

1851@ Aberdare, Glamorgan
Daniel Smedley Head 39 Coal pit sinker Ashover, Derbyshire
Mary Anne Wife 39 Swan Green, Glam
Mary Anne Daug 18 Coleford, Gloucestershire
Daniel Son 16 Engine worker Coleford, Gloucestershire
Louisa Daug 13 scholar at home Coleford, Gloucestershire
Thomas Son 10 scholar at home Coleford, Gloucestershire

by 1856 he had relocated family to a small hamlet named Sebastopol in the Rhymney Valley and was landlord at the Sebastopol Arms (PH). He died 1861 with the license passing on to wife Mary Anne who was Innkeeper for the next decade. More information but will keep it short this time round.

Regards, Roy

SMEDLEY - old FoD Board messages

by Alan Isaac, Wednesday, June 06, 2018, 04:07 (837 days ago) @ slowhands

Sara
I am directly descended from the Smedley/ Hathaway’s who were in the Forest of Dean and then came to New Zealand.
I can be contacted at XXXXXXXXXXXXX
Regards
Alan Isaac

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Hubert GRIFFITHS / SMEDLEY 1860 - 1922

by rookancestrybest @, United Kingdom, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 20:42 (3770 days ago) @ slowhands

This family ended up a stone's throw from my Forest of Dean "immigrants to Yorkshire"(!), some of mine were in Sheffield and some in Barnsley. I wonder how many more people in Yorkshire also originate from the Forest of Dean?!

Looking for my great grandfather - Any Ideas?

by rookancestrybest @, United Kingdom, Saturday, May 01, 2010, 22:12 (3794 days ago) @ saralarasdog

My ancestors were also RC and from the Forest of Dean and my branch too moved to Yorkshire (South Yorkshire in our case though there is a mystery photograph of someone very much like my great, great grandfather taken in West Yorkshire and I do not know whether it is him or some other relative). There are good baptismal, confirmation and wedding records of RCs in the Forest of Dean. You might find two wedding days (usually consecutive) for your ancestors, this will be because they married in the RC church but to make it legal would marry in the C of E as well, the two ceremonies tended to be on two consecutive days. e.g. 1st and 2nd May! The RC population in the Forest of Dean and Monmouth was one of the highest in the country (Lancashire having the highest number). My family appears to have lived in the Forest of Dean for several generations and before they were permitted to have a church of their own RCs in the Forest of Dean used to go to each other's house, sometimes at great peril. My family used to have to make a journey through the Forest of Dean on a Sunday and used to mark the earth with a cross so that others going to the same place knew it was safe to proceed. If you are interested in more of these tales I would be pleased to post some more.

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