Robert KEERE of Tidenham c.1260/70 (General)

by gallois, Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 23:05 (5071 days ago)

Through my paternal grandmother Emily Morgan(1882) I have found a link to the Kear family, originally from Newland, Glos. I have found records linking this family to Robert Keere of Tidenham c.1260/70 and by birth to Adam deKeyrlun c.1220 Who was a son of Adam Gwent c.1185. I am hoping to find anyone who can confirm this link or has additional information and would like to correspond.

Robert KEERE of Tidenham c.1260/70

by AverilKear @, Forest of Dean, Thursday, June 17, 2010, 23:56 (5070 days ago) @ gallois

If you would like to send me details of the connection of your grandmother Emily Morgan to the Kear family I am sure that I can help you with a full family tree as I have researched this name for very many years together with two other members of the Kear family. The information you found originally with links back to Adam de Keyrlun was generated by us and is as accurate as we can make it through extensive search in the Glos Archives and throughout other Archives in the UK and worldwide

Robert KEERE of Tidenham c.1260/70

by gallois, Friday, June 18, 2010, 00:36 (5070 days ago) @ AverilKear

Hi Averil, thanks for the quick response!
My Grandmother Emily Morgan descends from a James Morgan born c.1743 in Bream, Newlands, Glos who was married to Jane Kear,born 1768 also Newlands, Glos her father was Samuel Kear c.1715 Newlands. All my Morgan records are correct so my only skepticism was the Kear connection which came to me via Ancestry.co.uk?
I started my family tree 20 years ago in order to establish my Welsh ancestry. Half my ancesters migrated to Wales from England and the Morgans were, as far as I knew, simple farmer stock. I had a long break from my research and then recently started with several female branches. You can well imagine my shock at discovering the Kear connection and the royal links to Gwent and Monmouthshire!!
My private email is haydneason@gmail.com

Robert KEERE of Tidenham c.1260/70

by AverilKear @, Forest of Dean, Friday, June 18, 2010, 16:59 (5069 days ago) @ gallois

e = estimated
First of all Jane Kear was baptised at Newland on 23.3.1745/6 (the regnal year changed here. She married James Morgan on 4.11.1766 at Newland. Her father was Samuel Kear estimated baptism 1715. Samuel married Jane Worgan (b.1724e) on 5.5.1745 at Newland. Samuel and Jane lived at Breams Cross. Samuel was buried at Newland on 24.6.1773 and Jane was buried at Bream on 1.4.1789.

Samuel (b.1715e)was the son of John Kear baptised 7.9.1679 at Newland. John married Mary Thomas (b.3.8.1684 Newland)on 14.4.1711 at Newland. John and Mary lived at Breams Cross. John was buried on 18.4.1775 at Newland (his epitaph states that he was 107!)Mary was buried on 31.5.1765 at Newland.

John (b.1679e) was the son of John Kear baptised 1650e. John married his first wife Maria Jones (b.1657e)on 20.11.1678 at Newland. John and Maria lived at Bream. John was buried on 26.3.1719 at Lydney and Maria was buried on 18.2.1683/4 at Bream.

John (b.1650e) was the sone of John Keare baptised 20.8.1626 at Bream. John married Margery ? (b.1628e) in 1649e. John was buried on 24.5.1702 at Bream and Margery was buried on 26.2.1691/2 at Bream.

John (b.20.8.1626) was the son of Richard Kear (b.1601e) No records have been found for his marriage or death.

Richard (b.1601e) was the son of Richard baptised 5.3.1578/9 at Bream. No records have been found for his marriage. Richard was buried in January 1636 at Newland.

Richard (b.5.3.1578/9) was the son of "Yeoman" Edward Kere baptised 1541e. Edward married Johanna(Ann) White (b.1544e) on 7.2.1565/6 at Newland. Edward and Johanna lived at Breams Cross. Edward died on 26.2.1613/4 at Newland. Johanna died before 1613. Edward left a will and is buried in a large Table Tomb in Newland Churchyard the details are still clear to see.

Edward (b.1541e) was the son of John Kyre baptised 1506e. No records have been found for his marriage or death.

John Kyre (b.1506e) was the son of John Kyrie baptised 1476e. No records have been found for his marriage or death.

John Kyrie (b.1476e) was the son of John Kery baptised 1446e. No records have been found for his marriage or death.

John Kery (b.1446e) was the son of John Kery baptised 1418e. No records have been found for his marriage or death.

John Kery (b.1418e) was the son of John Kere baptised 1391e probably in Chepstow. No records have been found for his marriage or death.

John Kere (b.1391e)was the son of John Kere baptised 1363e probably in Chepstow. No records have been found for his marriage or death.

John Kere (B. 1363e) was the son of William Keere baptised 1335e and Johanne ?. They were married in Chepstow 1359e. No record has been found for their deaths.

William (b.1335e)was the son of an unknown Kear baptised 1305e.

The unknown Kear (b.1305e) was the son of Robert Keere of Tidenham baptised 1270e.

Robert Keere (b.1270e) was the son of Adam de Keyrlun baptised 1240e. Adam was a forge proprietor in the Forest of Dean.

You will see that there is a lot of supposition in the early records and relationships but by consulting wills and working out the different family connections we feel fairly confident in our research. One reason for the difficulty was that the eariest parish registers for Newland were eaten by rats so not all entries are legible.

I do,of course have many more details about siblings etc. If you should ever require them

Robert KEERE of Tidenham c.1260/70

by gallois, Friday, June 18, 2010, 18:19 (5069 days ago) @ AverilKear

Hi Averil,
Firstly, I have never heard of a 'regnal' year...could you explain please? The Kear line looks fairly convincing. Is there a way I can confirm that Jane Kears husband, James Morgan, is definately my ancestor. Is there a marriage certificate or record?

Robert KEERE of Tidenham c.1260/70

by AverilKear @, Forest of Dean, Saturday, June 19, 2010, 12:45 (5068 days ago) @ gallois

A regnal year is a year of the reign of a sovereign. From Latin regnum meaning kingdom, rule. This means that sometimes a date used for an event like a baptism, marriage or burial can be quoted as occuring during the year of reign which was noted from the time of coronation for a whole year. Thus If the monarch was crownd in August of one year then his 1st year of reign would run until August of the next year. So you would then get a date of say 21.8.1642/3.

I have found two possibilities for the baptism of your James Morgan who married Jane Kear at Newland on 4.11.1766
The first is a James Morgan baptised on 3.4.1743 at Newland, father William and mother Elizabeth (nee Uly).

The second is a James Morgan baptised on 22.1.1743 at English Bicknor, father William.

The only way you will be able to prove definitely which was your ancestor is by tracing the Morgan family tree back from what you already know, through using census returns and parish registers. The parish registers for Newland and English Bicknor are held at the Glos. Archives.

I wish you every success with your research

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