The Tovey name in the Forest of Dean (Parish Records)

by martyn @, Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 14:53 (117 days ago)

Hi,

I'm looking for any information on Toveys in the Forest of Dean, particularly William E. Tovey (born January 1873 in Blakeney), who married Annie M. (born 1878 in Blakeney). Any information or pointers will be gratefully received. TIA.

The Tovey name in the Forest of Dean

by MPGriffiths @, Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 16:24 (117 days ago) @ martyn

? Do you have census information, names of children etc.

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by martyn @, Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 16:45 (116 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Hi, thanks for your response. Children were Violet (born 1895 Gloucestershire), Eric (1897, Newport) and Leslie (1908, Cardiff). I believe he was a miner.

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by MPGriffiths @, Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 16:48 (116 days ago) @ martyn

I check to see if the children are on the GRO INDEX, this gives mother's maiden names.

????There is a baptism at Blakeney 4 June 1876

of

Annie Matilda JENKINS - parents, Charles and Lucy

Blakeney Hill, Charles was a Miner.

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by martyn @, Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 17:03 (116 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Very interesting. Thanks! I'll see if I can find anything using her surname and let you know if I do.

Cheers,

M.

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by MPGriffiths @, Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 17:11 (116 days ago) @ martyn

Had a quick look at the GRO INDEX - can only see two VIOLET TOVEY's in 1895 in Gloucestershire

TOVEY, Violet Florence - mother's maiden name: POWELL
GRO Reference: 1895, M Quarter in BARTON REGIS - Volume 06A page 68

TOVEY, Violet Marion - mother's maiden name: MILLER
GRO Reference: 1895 - S Quarter in BARTON REGIS - Volume 06A 0 Page 56

? Struggling to find Eric 1897 - Newport, and Leslie 1908, Cardiff

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by MPGriffiths @, Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 17:16 (116 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

The only GRO INDEX for 1873

TOVEY, WILLIAM EDWARD - Mother's Maiden Name: ROBBINS

GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in CLIFTON, Volume 06A - Page 183 Occasional Copy: A

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by martyn @, Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 17:22 (116 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Thanks again, all good information. I suspect there's something slightly unusual, such as them being an unmarried couple, which may explain why it is so hard to track them down.

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by MPGriffiths @, Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 21:06 (116 days ago) @ martyn

Do you have the 1911 census? and did Eric have the middle name of Frank?

It's difficult to help without the info you already have.

For example ....

British Newspapers on line, have an article Friday 25 August 1916, South Wales Gazette - about an Eric Frank TOVEY marry an amy EDMUNDS - parents being Mr and Mrs E W TOVEY.

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by martyn @, Wednesday, April 20, 2022, 05:31 (116 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Thanks, I hadn't seen that newspaper archive before. Yes, middle name Frank. I'll have another hunt around and see if I have any other clues that might help.

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by MPGriffiths @, Wednesday, April 20, 2022, 08:30 (116 days ago) @ martyn

There are a few Newspaper Articles (British Newspapers on Line) - regarding Eric Frank Tovey. (No idea, if it's the correct Eric)

One Friday 1 July 1910 - South Wales Gazette (and does mention Annie TOVEY ... She had been provoked by Mrs Tovey catching hold of her)

Assault: Sarah KENDALL (45) of Abertillery was summoned for assaulting Annie Tovey on June 21st and also for assaulting Eric Frank TOVEY - on the same date. Sarah said, that the lad Eric (had told her boy, who was eight years of age) to use obscene language.

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The Wedding - South Wales Gazette - 25 August 1916 : Eric (of the Post Office Enginering Department, Abertillery) - only son of Mr and Mrs Tovey, Park Villas.

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Gloucester Citizen - Wednesday 13 August 1952

Eric Frank Tovey, 34 Riversley Road - driving a car without due care and attention at Barnwood

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Western Mail - 13 August 18
952

Eric Frank Tovey, Post Office Inspector Union - Road, Abergavenny - car incident


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There are some articles re Eric TOVEY - (Abertillery)

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by martyn @, Wednesday, April 20, 2022, 14:52 (116 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

I'll sign up for the newspaper archive at the weekend and have a hunt around. Thanks again. I've had another look at the 1911 and 1921 census data, and it is now clear that William E. Tovey was born in Gloucester on 1/2/1873. Annie M. Was born in Hagloe, Blakeney in late 1878.

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by MPGriffiths @, Wednesday, April 20, 2022, 16:10 (116 days ago) @ martyn

Just to re-cap

? GRO INDEX

TOVEY, William Edward - mother's maiden name: ROBBINS
GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in CLIFTON - Volume 06A Pages 183, Occasional Copy: A
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Freebdm: Marriage Dec Qtr 1868, Bristol District

William TOVEY and Sarah Ann ROBBINS

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Etloe, Blakeney (where my Mum's family WICKENDEN) came from.).

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by MPGriffiths @, Wednesday, April 20, 2022, 19:52 (115 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

? GRO INDEX (?siblings)

TOVEY, mother's maiden name ROBBINS

Sidney Robbins TOVEY - 1869 J Qtr Clifton
George TOVEY - 1875, Clifton
Elizabeth Ann TOVEY - 1878 Chipping Sodbury
Fred TOVEY - 1881 - Chipping Sodbury
Henry TOVEY - 1887 - Chipping Sodbury

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Family Search

Baptism at Frampton Cotterell St Peter, Gloucestershire

Fred TOVEY - parents: William TOVEY and Sarah Ann TOVEY

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by MPGriffiths @, Wednesday, April 20, 2022, 20:02 (115 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

1881 census Frampton Cotterell. Reg DistrIct Chipping Sodbury

William Tovey age 39 birthplace Co. Gloucestershire, occupation, Stone Mason
Sarah Ann Tovey age 35 birthplace Stoke Gifford
Sidney R Tovey age 11 birthplace Winterbourne, Glos
Willian E Tovey age 8 ditto
Elizabeth Tovey age 2 born Frampton Cotterell


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1901 Census, still in Frampton Cotterell

William TOVEY born in Frampton Cottrell
Sarah - 58
George - 24
Henry - 13
Frank Tovey - 2

etc etc

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by sidtoomey01 @, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, Wednesday, April 20, 2022, 22:46 (115 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Hi

If you want to look back further for William Tovey, i believe he might have been born October 1841 in Frampton Cotterell.
1841 Census shows a John Tovey (Mason) living there with his family. John Tovey born 24th February 1805 in Yate.

Ancestry has a family tree showing William Tovey and his wife Sarah Ann Robbins. There are photographs of both of them. Comment on Williams photograph states " Mum's Grandfather".


A separate search for "Tovey" in Gloucestershire for the period around 1839-41 on Gloucestershire Tithe Apportionment Data Base shows a page of Tovey who were occupants or landowners within Gloucestershire . One John Tovey occupied 13 plots of land in Great Barrington but this is quite a distance from Frampton Cotterell. Some of them might still be relatives.

If you can get access to the Tithe Maps and list of tenants/owners for Bristol and surrounding districts you might be able to find John Tovey and exactly where he lived the time of 1841 Census.

Hope this helps.

Sid Toomey

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by martyn @, Thursday, April 21, 2022, 13:07 (115 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

Thanks Sid. I know that there are plenty of Toveys around North Bristol, but I've yet to find a connection to my Toveys. I've seen that Ancestry family tree, but the common ancestors don't match the census records.

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by MPGriffiths @, Thursday, April 21, 2022, 18:06 (114 days ago) @ martyn

Men in Armour for Gloucestershire 1608

Two matches for TOVEY

Tewkesbury (Church Street)

Edward TOVEY mercer, A 40 (lower stature) means "fit to serve with a Calyver"


Bitton and Hanham (South Glos. Keynsham)

Charles TOVEY, shoemaker, A40 (tallest stature, trained) seems Charles was a trained soldier.

Both aged around 40


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by sidtoomey01 @, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, Friday, April 22, 2022, 11:25 (114 days ago) @ martyn

Hi

Could you let me know what your sources were for William Edward Tovey's birth in Gloucester in 1873 and Annie M..........
birth in Hagloe Blakeney in 1878 ?

Also, was Annie M.'s Maiden name Jenkins by any chance ? If not, do you know what it was ?

Thanks

Sid Toomey

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by martyn @, Friday, April 22, 2022, 11:32 (114 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

Hi. The 1921 census was the first mention of Hagloe for Annie M. (previous census data just had Blakeney). The 1901, 1911 and 1921 census have Gloucester as the birth place of William E. Tovey. I don't know Annie M's maiden name - do you know any more?

Thanks.

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by sidtoomey01 @, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, Friday, April 22, 2022, 11:30 (114 days ago) @ martyn

Hi again

What were your sources for the children dates and places of birth ?

Was their family name in the birth records "Tovey" ?

Thanks

Sid Toomey

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by martyn @, Friday, April 22, 2022, 11:34 (114 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

Again, census records.

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by MPGriffiths @, Friday, April 22, 2022, 13:36 (114 days ago) @ martyn

? Leslie born 1908

British Newspapers On line - Friday 23 January 1959 South Wales Gazette

Mentions the funeral of Leslie William TOVEY aged 50 of 106 Arael Street, Six bells.

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by MPGriffiths @, Friday, April 22, 2022, 12:49 (114 days ago) @ martyn

? the children's names, i.e. Violet, Eric, Leslie
More often that not, the offspring are given family names.

Violet - appears in Frampton Cottrell
Eric - in Winchombe -

???

Perhaps William TOVEY had two families on the go - Sometimes, have seen on this forum, people's names can be on census returns in two different places.

Also, some TOVEY baptism records (on Family Search link) - show they were Non-Conformist baptisms.

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by MPGriffiths @, Friday, April 22, 2022, 13:19 (114 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

British Newspapers on Line

Friday 4 June 1909 - South Wales Gazette

ABERTILLERY HARRIERS' SPORTS (held at the Park)

120 Yards Boys Race - First in each heat and two fastests seconds run in hale.....

Final:
1st Griffiths - 14 seconds
2nd Berrow
3rd: Eric F TOVEY, Abertillery (20 Yards)

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by martyn @, Friday, April 22, 2022, 13:36 (114 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Perhaps William TOVEY had two families on the go - Sometimes, have seen on this forum, people's names can be on census returns in two different places.

Also, some TOVEY baptism records (on Family Search link) - show they were Non-Conformist baptisms.

Yes, that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. Maybe why I keep running into dead-ends and/or contradictions.

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by sidtoomey01 @, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, Friday, April 22, 2022, 21:53 (113 days ago) @ martyn

Hi again,

Just so i get this clear in my own mind ( i am easily confused), you are looking for Ancestors of William Edward Tovey and Annie M?
Am I correct that you would be descended from one of their children who included Violet, Eric Frank and Leslie ?If so, which child are you descended from ?
Do you have plenty of information on your direct line from Weiiliam Edward through to the present day ?

My reason for asking is that there are possibilities which spread out from Blakeney all over the UK and i don't want to chase up something you already know.

I think that bringing the Tovey family forward from Blakeney will start in Wales, more specifically in Abertillery which i think MP Griffiths has already started on. Eric Frank Tovey's WW1 service record is on Ancestry and has a lot of information including death certificate for a 9 month old son where Annie M. had witnessed the death.
I think William Edward Tovey might even be in the 1939 Register as a Widower in Abertillery.

Taking the Tovey name backwards before 1873, you mentioned in a previous post that you had discounted the Bristol Area (Frampton Cotterell) area because "family members didn't seem to match". Does this mean you have other information on William Edward Tovey and his parents ?

Recently you mentioned "Gloucester" as a possible place of birth for William Edward Tovey from Census Records. I don't think this specifically refers to the Town of Gloucester, more likely the County. (Some Bristol records also include the name Gloucestershire).

Re Annie M. birthplace as Hagloe. I believe this is only half a mile separating the two.

Sid Toomey

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by martyn @, Saturday, April 23, 2022, 08:37 (113 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

Hi again,

Just so i get this clear in my own mind ( i am easily confused), you are looking for Ancestors of William Edward Tovey and Annie M?
Am I correct that you would be descended from one of their children who included Violet, Eric Frank and Leslie ?If so, which child are you descended from ?
Do you have plenty of information on your direct line from Weiiliam Edward through to the present day ?

My reason for asking is that there are possibilities which spread out from Blakeney all over the UK and i don't want to chase up something you already know.

I think that bringing the Tovey family forward from Blakeney will start in Wales, more specifically in Abertillery which i think MP Griffiths has already started on. Eric Frank Tovey's WW1 service record is on Ancestry and has a lot of information including death certificate for a 9 month old son where Annie M. had witnessed the death.
I think William Edward Tovey might even be in the 1939 Register as a Widower in Abertillery.

Taking the Tovey name backwards before 1873, you mentioned in a previous post that you had discounted the Bristol Area (Frampton Cotterell) area because "family members didn't seem to match". Does this mean you have other information on William Edward Tovey and his parents ?

Recently you mentioned "Gloucester" as a possible place of birth for William Edward Tovey from Census Records. I don't think this specifically refers to the Town of Gloucester, more likely the County. (Some Bristol records also include the name Gloucestershire).

Re Annie M. birthplace as Hagloe. I believe this is only half a mile separating the two.

Yes, you've hit the nail on the head. Eric Frank was my Grandfather and the family did move to Abertillery (and your findings about Eric's WW1 service record are correct). Ideally, I'd like to find details of the marriage of William E. and Annie M. so that I can then work on finding their parents/siblings. I'm still not clear what William's middle name was.

The other Ancestry family tree from the Bristol area seems to link to my family tree, but the additional members don't seem to tie up with my much smaller family.

Thanks again,

M.

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by MPGriffiths @, Saturday, April 23, 2022, 16:45 (112 days ago) @ martyn

Assume the Newspaper Article published 25 August 1916, South Wales Gazette, has Eric'c father's initials the other way round.

Seems a beautiful wedding

Local Wedding

A quiet, but pretty wedding took place at St Michael's Church, Abertillery, on Sunday morning, the contracting parties being Mr Eric Frank TOVEY, of the Post Office Engineering Department, Abertillery, only son of Mr and Mrs E W TOVEY, Park Villas and Miss Amy Edmunds, fourth daughter of Mr and Mrs Edmunds of Abertillery.

The bride, who was charmingly attired in a robe of white silk, with bridal veil and wreath of orange blossoms, carried a bouquet of arum lilies and rosebuds.

The was given away by her brother-in-law, Mr Harry Drake, while Mr Leonard Foote performed the duties of best man.

The bride was attended by six bridesmaids, attired in white voile, with hats to match.

The party were conveyed to and from the Church in four motor-cars.

The wedding breakfast was partaken of at the home of the bride's parents, where the presents, which were numerous and costly, were on view.

On Monday morning the happy couple left admist hearty congratulations and wishes wishes for South Petherton, Somerset, where the honeymoon is being spent.


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When did E W/W E TOVEY die ? was there Probate or death certificate, street directory/electorial register etc. with middle name etc.

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by martyn @, Saturday, April 23, 2022, 17:22 (112 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

When did E W/W E TOVEY die ? was there Probate or death certificate, street directory/electorial register etc. with middle name etc.

Yes, I've seen the newspaper article. They are my Grandparents. I believe that W. E. Tovey died on the 25th of December 1950, with probate on 22nd of February 1951

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1904/images/32858_635001_2100-00497?...

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by MPGriffiths @, Saturday, April 23, 2022, 17:26 (112 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

There is British Newspapers On Line - 23 Sept 1927 - South Wales Gazette

Funeral of Eric TOVEY's father in law

Mr William Edmunds of 37 Glandwr Street (Traffic foreman)

with tributes from Amy & Eric

and mentions son-law, Eric TOVEY

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by martyn @, Saturday, April 23, 2022, 17:42 (112 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Nice, thanks. I haven't signed up for a paid subscription with them yet. Maybe I should :-)

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by MPGriffiths @, Saturday, April 23, 2022, 17:58 (112 days ago) @ martyn

Perhaps DNA is the only way forward.

My Great Grandad born originally in Gloucestershire, went to Valpariso, Chile, to work on the railways, leaving his Wife and family, never to be seen again

A few years ago, through DNA it seems he fathered children, with local women, eventually marrying in Chile, having more children.

We now have Cousins, in Chile and America, all through DNA. I’ve got photos and records all sent from my Chilean Cousins.

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by martyn @, Saturday, April 23, 2022, 18:07 (112 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

Perhaps DNA is the only way forward.

My Great Grandad born originally in Gloucestershire, went to Valpariso, Chile, to work on the railways, leaving his Wife and family, never to be seen again

A few years ago, through DNA it seems he fathered children, with local women, eventually marrying in Chile, having more children.

We now have Cousins, in Chile and America, all through DNA. I’ve got photos and records all sent from my Chilean Cousins.

Fantastic! Well done. Yes, I've done the DNA thing and found many, many relations on my mother's side of the family but not a single match on my father's side. Ah well, maybe it's not to be...

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by sidtoomey01 @, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, Saturday, April 23, 2022, 22:26 (112 days ago) @ martyn

Hi

For the Welsh part of your search, i have found that the free " Welsh Newspapers online" site is helpful. Possibly isn't as extensive as BNA but if it is just for Wales and parts of Gloucestershire, wouldn't hurt to try it.
https://newspapers.library.wales

The Library of Wales also has a lot of other Welsh resources which are fun to explore.

Good luck

Sid Toomey

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by martyn @, Sunday, April 24, 2022, 09:24 (112 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

Thanks - I'll take a look.

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by MPGriffiths @, Sunday, April 24, 2022, 10:29 (112 days ago) @ martyn

? Might be an idea to eliminate any DOVEY's on Ancestry etc. i.e. someones writing etc.


My maiden name and my Mum's parents, WICKENDEN from Blakeney - have been spelt many different ways.

Then again, my x Grandad William WICKENDEN - who was living in Blakeney with his Son, on one census - went to Swindon, Wiltshire, and on two census returns his surname was GREEN (his grandmother's maiden name). Only his and his wife's death certificate gave his correct surname.

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by martyn @, Sunday, April 24, 2022, 11:01 (112 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

? Might be an idea to eliminate any DOVEY's on Ancestry etc. i.e. someones writing etc.

Yes, and I've also seen Lovey and Torey.

My maiden name and my Mum's parents, WICKENDEN from Blakeney - have been spelt many different ways.

Then again, my x Grandad William WICKENDEN - who was living in Blakeney with his Son, on one census - went to Swindon, Wiltshire, and on two census returns his surname was GREEN (his grandmother's maiden name). Only his and his wife's death certificate gave his correct surname.

:-)

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by sidtoomey01 @, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, Saturday, April 23, 2022, 22:53 (112 days ago) @ martyn

Hi

This gives me something to focus on. What Census years have you found William E. Tovey in ? I want to look at them to get a feel for the families movements.
You mentioned that the Bristol area family tree didn't have other family members which matched your smaller family tree. I presume these members would have been of William E. Tovey's generation or later if you have compared them to your trees. Am i correct?
If not and they are an earlier generation, could you put the names and relationships in a reply ?
Sometimes i have found the answer i am looking for by looking in a different direction (if that makes any sense. I did say previously i am easily confused).
Also, i don't want to disparage any Ancestry family tree's accuracy, but i have also found that in the days of "copy and paste" things can go pear shape easily.

On a side note, there is a marriage of a Tovey in the 1890's in Blakeney as well as a couple of inquests of Tovey's where they appear to have come from Cheltenham which might make sense to you. I thought the marriage might have been one of William E.'s brothers possibly.

i read through the Blakeney parish baptism register for the years 1870 (page 32) to 1880 (page 49) and there weren't any Tovey baptisms recorded at all.

With William E.'s children i think from memory that their second given name starts with "M" ( taken from the 1901 Census). Do you know what that name was ?

Thanks

Sid Toomey

PS. This could get addictive, couldn't it ? Our media at present is saturated with upcoming election promises etc. so might as well look into something not as boring. - :)

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by MPGriffiths @, Sunday, April 24, 2022, 07:50 (112 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

It’s worth exploring Charles William Tovey aged 23, (Carter) father James Tovey, Sweeper, as William’s wife was from Blakeney, and do wonder how he met Annie M.

Will check GRO INDEX to see if there are any baptisms, as a Carter would travel County to County.

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by MPGriffiths @, Sunday, April 24, 2022, 08:07 (112 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

From: Gloucesteshire BMD

Charles William TOVEY - mother's maiden name: CARDWELL, 1873 Cheltenham District

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by martyn @, Sunday, April 24, 2022, 09:12 (112 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

From: Gloucesteshire BMD

Charles William TOVEY - mother's maiden name: CARDWELL, 1873 Cheltenham District

Thanks - always great to get a new name to investigate.

M.

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by martyn @, Sunday, April 24, 2022, 09:23 (112 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

Hi

This gives me something to focus on. What Census years have you found William E. Tovey in ? I want to look at them to get a feel for the families movements.

1921 (Abertillery - recorded as William Tovey)
1911 (Abertillery - William E. Tovey)
1901 (Newport - William E. Tovey)

You mentioned that the Bristol area family tree didn't have other family members which matched your smaller family tree. I presume these members would have been of William E. Tovey's generation or later if you have compared them to your trees. Am i correct?
If not and they are an earlier generation, could you put the names and relationships in a reply ?
Sometimes i have found the answer i am looking for by looking in a different direction (if that makes any sense. I did say previously i am easily confused).
Also, i don't want to disparage any Ancestry family tree's accuracy, but i have also found that in the days of "copy and paste" things can go pear shape easily.

Yes, same generation. That's also what I suspect has happened in this case.

On a side note, there is a marriage of a Tovey in the 1890's in Blakeney as well as a couple of inquests of Tovey's where they appear to have come from Cheltenham which might make sense to you. I thought the marriage might have been one of William E.'s brothers possibly.

i read through the Blakeney parish baptism register for the years 1870 (page 32) to 1880 (page 49) and there weren't any Tovey baptisms recorded at all.

With William E.'s children i think from memory that their second given name starts with "M" ( taken from the 1901 Census). Do you know what that name was ?

To the best of my knowledge, Violet M. is Violet Magdalen

Thanks - glad you're having as much fun searching as I am (frustrating though it can be at times).

M.

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by sidtoomey01 @, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, Sunday, April 24, 2022, 12:38 (112 days ago) @ martyn

Hi Martyn

thanks for your reply.
For some reason i cant bring up and member of this Tovey family in the 1911 Census for Abertillery , Wales.
Also Ancestry doesn't have the 1921 Census.
To help me, would you mind sending me a transcription of the family member details in each of those Census.
In particular, Age, Place of birth, street address and the heading at the top of the Census page plus page number so that i can go through the census book to find out why my search doesn't produce it.

Thanks

Sid Toomey.

PS you probable already know this but Amy Edmunds in the 1911 Census (before she became Eric Frank Tovey's wife), lived with her parents in the same street in Abertillery as Eric Frank when he was in the Army in WW1 and his mother Annie M. (This was after they were married and still there when their 9/10 month old son died.)
Trivia i know.

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by grahamdavison @, Sunday, April 24, 2022, 12:51 (112 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

Perhaps I could chip in.

There is an Eric Frank Parsloe born in Q4 1897 in the Newport, Mon Registration District, which is consistent with Eric Frank Tovey`s birth date of 21 September 1897.

From the Glos BDMs there is also a Violet Magdalen Eleanor PARSLOE born in 1895 at Gloucester, South Hamlet.

Both seem to fit what you know, but needs more research.

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by grahamdavison @, Sunday, April 24, 2022, 12:57 (112 days ago) @ grahamdavison

Have now found a marriage of EARNEST PARSLOE to ANNIE MATILDA KNIGHT on 18 February 1895 at St. Luke, Gloucester.

It all seems to fit!!

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by martyn @, Sunday, April 24, 2022, 13:04 (112 days ago) @ grahamdavison

Perhaps I could chip in.

There is an Eric Frank Parsloe born in Q4 1897 in the Newport, Mon Registration District, which is consistent with Eric Frank Tovey`s birth date of 21 September 1897.

From the Glos BDMs there is also a Violet Magdalen Eleanor PARSLOE born in 1895 at Gloucester, South Hamlet.

Both seem to fit what you know, but needs more research.

Have now found a marriage of EARNEST PARSLOE to ANNIE MATILDA KNIGHT on 18 February 1895 at St. Luke, Gloucester.

It all seems to fit!!

Oh my goodness. That does all seem to fit. Thank you for chipping in! Definitely something to research further this afternoon. Fingers crossed :-)

M.

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by grahamdavison @, Sunday, April 24, 2022, 15:17 (112 days ago) @ martyn

The Glos BDMs give:

Annie Matilda KNIGHT born Newnham 1877 mother`s maiden name KENDALL

This leads to:

OLIVER KNIGHT married MATILDA KENDALL 26 December 1870 at Flaxley.

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by sidtoomey01 @, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, Sunday, April 24, 2022, 23:46 (111 days ago) @ grahamdavison

Thanks Graham, just when i was getting my confusion under control.
Just a quick response to "Parsoe" possibility. I agree it needs more research. However, there are criminal records for desertion and child neglect in Gloucester which seem to fit this bloke after the date of his marriage.
I wonder if a white knight came along , rescued Annie and her kids in Gloucester and took off to Wales for a new life.
Maybe the knight was the elusive William E. Tovey.
Intriguing.

Sid Toomey

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by martyn @, Monday, April 25, 2022, 07:22 (111 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

Just a quick response to "Parsoe" possibility. I agree it needs more research. However, there are criminal records for desertion and child neglect in Gloucester which seem to fit this bloke after the date of his marriage.

Do you have any more details?

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by martyn @, Monday, April 25, 2022, 10:24 (111 days ago) @ grahamdavison

Have now found a marriage of EARNEST PARSLOE to ANNIE MATILDA KNIGHT on 18 February 1895 at St. Luke, Gloucester.

It all seems to fit!!

It looks as if Annie M. completed the 1921 census form, and the way she wrote Annie on the form seems to match her signature on the marriage certificate...

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by martyn @, Sunday, April 24, 2022, 13:16 (112 days ago) @ sidtoomey01

Hi Martyn

thanks for your reply.
For some reason i cant bring up and member of this Tovey family in the 1911 Census for Abertillery , Wales.
Also Ancestry doesn't have the 1921 Census.
To help me, would you mind sending me a transcription of the family member details in each of those Census.
In particular, Age, Place of birth, street address and the heading at the top of the Census page plus page number so that i can go through the census book to find out why my search doesn't produce it.

1901 - 71 Somerton Road Newport

William E, 28, Gloucester
Annie M, 23, Blakeney
Violet M E, 5, Gloucester
Eric F, 3, Newport

1911 - 2 Park Villa Abertillery

William, 38, Gloucester
Annie, 32, Blakeney
Violet, 15, Gloucester
Eric, 13, Newport

1921 - Abertillery

Annie, 43, Hagloe, Blakeney
William, 49, Gloucester
Eric, 23, Newport
Leslie, 13, Whitchurch, Cardiff

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by MPGriffiths @, Sunday, April 24, 2022, 15:23 (112 days ago) @ martyn

What dob does Violet M E ADAMS - give on the 1939 census

Violet M E TOVEY - born c 1896

on FreeBDM

marries

Charles G ADAMS - Dec Qtr, Bedwelty District 1913.


GRO (gives children's middle names in full) unlike FREEBMD

ADAMS, William Charles - mother's maiden name TOVEY
GRO Reference: 1915 M Quarter in BEDWELLTY, Volume 11A Page 175

ADAMS, Annie Lucille - mother's maiden name TOVEY
GRO Reference: 1917 M Quarter in BEDWELLTY, Volume 11A Page 146

ADAMS, Joan Brettle - mother's maiden TOVEY
GRO Reference - 1926 - M Qtr in BEDWELLTY, Volume 11A Page 133

? BRETTLE is that a family surname

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by martyn @, Sunday, April 24, 2022, 15:31 (112 days ago) @ MPGriffiths

What dob does Violet M E ADAMS - give on the 1939 census

18 Nov 1895

Violet M E TOVEY - born c 1896

on FreeBDM

marries

Charles G ADAMS - Dec Qtr, Bedwelty District 1913.


GRO (gives children's middle names in full) unlike FREEBMD

ADAMS, William Charles - mother's maiden name TOVEY
GRO Reference: 1915 M Quarter in BEDWELLTY, Volume 11A Page 175

ADAMS, Annie Lucille - mother's maiden name TOVEY
GRO Reference: 1917 M Quarter in BEDWELLTY, Volume 11A Page 146

ADAMS, Joan Brettle - mother's maiden TOVEY
GRO Reference - 1926 - M Qtr in BEDWELLTY, Volume 11A Page 133

? BRETTLE is that a family surname

I know of Annie and Joan, but not William (so thanks for that). I haven't heard of the Brettle name.

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by admin2 @, Sunday, April 24, 2022, 17:43 (111 days ago) @ martyn

Hi Martyn

I thought I would throw a slightly off beam element into this fascinating conversation! Toveys is the name of a long established (1860s) funeral director in Newport (my home town). You may already know that but I mention it as some of my Forest connections ended up in Newport no doubt as it was one of the fastest growing places in the area at that time.

Regards


Paul

--
Admin 2

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by martyn @, Sunday, April 24, 2022, 18:10 (111 days ago) @ admin2

I thought I would throw a slightly off beam element into this fascinating conversation! Toveys is the name of a long established (1860s) funeral director in Newport (my home town). You may already know that but I mention it as some of my Forest connections ended up in Newport no doubt as it was one of the fastest growing places in the area at that time.

Hi Paul,

Yes, I'm aware of the Tovey brothers in Newport, but I don't believe that there is a family connection. Thanks for getting in touch and, yes, my post has certainly made for a fascinating conversation!

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by grahamdavison @, Monday, April 25, 2022, 08:48 (111 days ago) @ martyn

The 1911 Census is interesting (Surname transcribed as Loney!!):

William E Tovey Head Tin Plate Worker age 38 Born Gloucestershire
Annie Tovey Wife age 32 Born Blakeney
Violet Tovey Dau age 15 Born Gloster
Eric Tovey Son GPO Telegraph Messenger age 13 Born Newport Mon
Ann Thendall Grandmother Widow age 82 Born Eastington, Glos
Willie Roberts Adopted son age 2 Born Whitchurch, Cardiff
Thos
there are also 4 boarders

William & Annie clain to have been married for 16 years and to have 3 children with 2 still living, their address is 2 Park Villa, Abertillery, Mon.

Tracing the grandmother may shed more light on the family.

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by grahamdavison @, Monday, April 25, 2022, 09:11 (111 days ago) @ grahamdavison

The grandmother`s name has been mistranscribed, it should be ANN KENDALL who is the grandmother of Annie Matilda.

Searching I have found:

Annie Matilda Knight dau of Oliver Knight & Matilda Kendall born 1877.

Matilda Kendall dau of Elias Kendall & Ann Wall, so Ann Kendall (nee Wall) is Annie Matilda`s grandmother, which doesn`t help with the Tovey`s!!

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by martyn @, Monday, April 25, 2022, 09:16 (111 days ago) @ grahamdavison

The grandmother`s name has been mistranscribed, it should be ANN KENDALL who is the grandmother of Annie Matilda.

Searching I have found:

Annie Matilda Knight dau of Oliver Knight & Matilda Kendall born 1877.

Matilda Kendall dau of Elias Kendall & Ann Wall, so Ann Kendall (nee Wall) is Annie Matilda`s grandmother, which doesn`t help with the Tovey`s!!

Brilliant - that's why I couldn't find her previously. As you say, the Tovey connection is still elusive, but thank you so much for piecing this together.

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by MPGriffiths @, Monday, April 25, 2022, 09:43 (111 days ago) @ martyn

GRO INDEX

KNIGHT, Anne Matilda - mother's maiden name: KENDALL
GRO Reference, 1877 D Quarter WESTBURY ON SEVERN Volume - 06A Page 257

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by grahamdavison @, Monday, April 25, 2022, 10:09 (111 days ago) @ grahamdavison

In the 1939 Register I have found William Tovey living with his son-in-law Charles C Adams & his daughter Violet M E Adams in Abertillery. He is a Colliery Stoker age 73 dob 2 Jan 1873.

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by sidtoomey01 @, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, Monday, April 25, 2022, 11:25 (111 days ago) @ martyn

Hi Martin

I have taken the liberty of starting a new post about William E. Tovey and Earnest Parsloe being the same person, putting forward my "hypothesis".
I have done this rather than complicate your "Tovey" post or create more confusion. (especially for me)
It should be self explanatory. If sources are required, i can provide them although most of my ramblings just expanded on Graham Davison's original thought.

Sid Toomey

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