Thomas Worgan born 1813 Five Acres (General)

by Nick Dub @, Friday, April 07, 2023, 21:18 (467 days ago)

I have been trying to work out the approximate date my ancestor Thomas Worgan left the FoD and where he went. He was born in 1813, and as you can see from his brother William's baptism, the family lived at Five Acres near Coleford.

In the 1841 census, Thomas's parents are still living in the same place, as is William, but Thomas has gone. Thomas reappears in Wednesfield, Staffordshire in 1852 when he marries Mary Ann Haspy.

In short, I'm missing Thomas from the 1841 and 1851 censuses. I assume he moved to the Stoke-on-Trent area to get better paid work, but it would be nice to have some proof of this.

Cheers - Nick

Name Thos Worgan
Sex Male
Christening Date 26 Sep 1813
Christening Place Coleford, Gloucestershire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place Coleford, Gloucester, England
Father's Name Jno Worgan
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Sarah
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Christening

Year: 1811
Month: Mar
Day: 10
Parents_Surname: WORGAN
Child_Forenames: William
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Five Acres
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: Any abbreviated forenames have been expanded to the full name
Register_Reference: P93 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 30
Parish_Chapel: Coleford

Name John Worgan
Sex Male
Age 65
Event Date 1841
Event Place Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Registration District Monmouth
Event Type Census
Residence Note Five Acres
Birth Year (Estimated) 1772-1776
Birthplace Gloucestershire
Page Number 19
Piece/Folio 365/12
Registration Number HO107
Other People on This Record
William Worgan
M
20
Gloucestershire
Sarah Worgan
F
60
Gloucestershire


Name John Worgan
Sex Male
Age 76
Event Date 1851
Event Place Newland, Monmouthshire, Wales
Registration District Monmouth
Event Type Census
Residence Note Lower Lane
Birth Year (Estimated) 1775
Birthplace Newland, Gloucestershire
Marital Status Married
Occupation Collier
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Page Number 18
Piece/Folio 2444 / 150
Registration Number HO107
John Worgan's Spouses and Children
Sarah Worgan
Wife
F
75
Lidbrook, Gloucestershire

Thomas WORGAN circa 1814 -1882? (one to discount)

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, April 07, 2023, 22:43 (467 days ago) @ Nick Dub

Year: 1882
Month: Jun
Day: 8
Surname: WORGAN
Forenames: Thomas
Residence: Yorkley
Age_at_death: 63 years
Officiating_Minister: E. S. Smith
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: 627
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/5
Page_No: 59
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill


1881 Yorkley
Thomas Worgan Head Married Male 67 1814 Formerly coal miner West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Worgan Wife Married Female 67 1814 Dressmaker West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Minnie Wintle Grand daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar West Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1871 yorkley
Thomas Worgan Head - Male 57 1814 - Gloucestershire, England gRocer
Mary Worgan Wife - Female 57 1814 - Gloucestershire, England
Laura Worgan Daughter - Female 18 1853 - Gloucestershire, England
Frank Worgan Son - Male 16 1855 - Gloucestershire, England
Herbert Morgan Grandson - Male 13 1858 - Gloucestershire, England

1861 Bailey Hill
Thomas Worgan Head Married Male 44 1817 Labourer grocer ship Gloucestershire, England
Mary Worgan Wife Married Female 46 1815 Baker Gloucestershire, England
Harriet Worgan Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1842 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
George Worgan Son Unmarried Male 17 1844 Collier West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Rogseta Worgan Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1846 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Tom ... Worgan Son Single Male 11 1850 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Laura Worgan Daughter Single Female 9 1852 Scholar West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Frank Worgan Son Single Male 6 1855 Scholar West Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1851 Bailey Hill
Thomas Worgan Head Married Male 37 1814 Coal miner West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Worgan Wife - Female 36 1815 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Harriett Worgan Daughter - Female 10 1841 Scholar West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
George Worgan Son - Male 8 1843 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Rosetta Worgan Daughter - Female 5 1846 Scholar West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Tom Forester Worgan Son - Male 2 1849 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
William Morgan Wife son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Coal miner West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Morgan Grand daughter - Female 14 1837 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1841 Yorkley
Thomas Worgan Male 25 1816 Gloucestershire, England
Mary Worgan Female 25 1816 Gloucestershire, England
Harreat Worgan Female 3 1838 Gloucestershire, England
Mary Morgan Female 8 1833 Gloucestershire, England

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Thomas WORGAN born 1813 Five Acres

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, April 07, 2023, 22:47 (467 days ago) @ Nick Dub

Do you have a copy of the marriage certificate ? Does it give clues to the home addresses ?
This may help track them in 1851 census


1852 Q4 Wolverhampton
Thomas Worgan and Mary Ann Haspy ( is this Astbury ?)

First name(s) Mary Ann
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Last name Haspy
Spouse's father's last name Worgan
Birth year 1823
Denomination Anglican
Age 29
Place Wednesfield, St Thomas
Residence Wednesfield
County Staffordshire
Year 1852
Country England
Date 28 Nov 1852
Archive reference D3232/13
Spouse's first name(s) Thomas
Register type Marriage
Spouse's last name Worgan
Page 52
Spouse's birth year 1813
Record set Staffordshire Marriages
Spouse's age 39
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Spouse's residence Wednesfield
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Father's first name(s) Samson
Collections from England, Great Britain
Father's last name Haspy

1861 Brook House Green, Bucknall, Stoke upon Trent,
Thomas Worgan Head Married Male 48 1813 Stone miner Gloucestershire, England
Mary Ann Worgan Wife Married Female 36 1825 - Rugeley, Staffordshire, England
James Worgan Son Unmarried Male 10 1851 Scholar Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Harriet Worgan Daughter Unmarried Female 3 1858 - Fenton, Staffordshire, England
Mary Worgan Daughter Unmarried Female 0 1861 - Staffordshire, England
Elizabeth Aspray Servant Unmarried Female 13 1848 Servant Loughton, Staffordshire, England ( Longton nr Stoke on Trent )

1871 Cinderford ( St Johns district)
Thomas Worgan Head - Male 60 1811 - Gloucestershire, England
Mary Ann Worgan Wife - Female 46 1825 - Staffordshire, England
James Worgan Son - Male 16 1855 - Staffordshire, England
Harriet Worgan Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Staffordshire, England
Mary Elizbth Worgan Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Staffordshire, England

trying to locate his parents
Year 1810
Month Aug
Day 12
Parents Surname WORGAN
Child Forenames William
Fathers Forenames John
Mothers Forenames Mary
Mothers Surname
Residence Five Acres
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P227 IN 1/5
Page Number 42
Parish Chapel Newland

Year 1811
Month Mar
Day 10
Parents Surname WORGAN
Child Forenames William
Fathers Forenames John
Mothers Forenames Sarah
Mothers Surname
Residence Five Acres
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda at Coleford Chapel
Notes
Register Reference P227 IN 1/5
Page Number 47
Parish Chapel Newland

1841 Five Acres
John Worgan Male 65 1776 Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Worgan Female 60 1781 Gloucestershire, England
William Worgan Male 20 1821 Gloucestershire, England

1851 Lower lane Christchurch/Berry Hill area
John Worgan Head Married Male 76 1775 Collier Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Worgan Wife Married Female 75 1776 -Lidbrook Gloucestershire, England

next door in 1841
Year 1822
Month May
Day 2
Parents Surname WORGAN
Child Forenames Thomas
Fathers Forenames Thomas
Mothers Forenames Sarah
Mothers Surname
Residence Five Acres
Occupation Farmer
Officiating Minister W. Pashley
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P82 IN 1/1
Page Number 27
Parish Chapel Christchurch

1841 Five Acres Farm
Thomas Worgan Male 45 1796 Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Worgan Female 45 1796 Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Worgan Female 20 1821 Gloucestershire, England
Thomas Worgan Male 15 1826 Gloucestershire, England
Ann Worgan Female 14 1827 Gloucestershire, England
John Worgan Male 13 1828 Gloucestershire, England
James Worgan Male 11 1830 Gloucestershire, England
John Harris Male 20 1821 Gloucestershire, England

1851 Hoarthorns nr Joyford
Thomas Worgan Head Married Male 58 1793 Farmer (175 acres employing one laborer) Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Worgan Wife Married Female 57 1794 Farmer wife Newland, Gloucestershire, England
Thomas Worgan Son Unmarried Male 27 1824 Farmer son Newland, Gloucestershire, England
John Worgan Son Unmarried Male 23 1828 Farmer son Newland, Gloucestershire, England
James Worgan Son Unmarried Male 21 1830 Farmer son Newland, Gloucestershire, England

Servant Elizabeth in 1861 Census

1841 Prospect Place, Longton, Stoke upon Trent
Sampson Astbury Male 35 1806 Staffordshire, England
Harriett Astbury Female 35 1806 Staffordshire, England
Mary Astbury Female 15 1826 Staffordshire, England
Samuel Astbury Male 10 1831 Staffordshire, England
Sarah Astbury Male 10 1831 Staffordshire, England
Sampson Astbury Male 10 1831 Staffordshire, England
John Astbury Male 5 1836 Staffordshire, England
Harriett Astbury Female 2 1839 Staffordshire, England


1851 Wood Street, Longton, Stoke upon Trent
Sampson Astbury Head Married Male 47 1804 Potter Longton, Staffordshire, England
Harriet Astbury Wife Married Female 43 1808 Potter Longton, Staffordshire, England
John Astbury Son Unmarried Male 14 1837 Potter Longton, Staffordshire, England
Harriet Astbury Daughter - Female 12 1839 At home Longton, Staffordshire, England
Joseph Astbury Son - Male 6 1845 At home Longton, Staffordshire, England
Elizabeth Astbury Daughter - Female 3 1848 At home Longton, Staffordshire, England

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Thomas WORGAN born 1813 Five Acres

by Nick Dub @, Saturday, April 08, 2023, 15:34 (467 days ago) @ slowhands

Hi Slowhands,

Yes the marriage you found is the right one :-

1852 Q4 Wolverhampton
Thomas Worgan and Mary Ann Haspy ( is this Astbury ?)

First name(s) Mary Ann
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Last name Haspy
Spouse's father's last name Worgan
Birth year 1823
Denomination Anglican
Age 29
Place Wednesfield, St Thomas
Residence Wednesfield
County Staffordshire
Year 1852
Country England
Date 28 Nov 1852

The father's surname is variously spelt Aspy, Haspy and Astbury. They were all illiterate, so the spelling was left to whoever wrote the certificates.

I have a copy of what I think is the Parish register entry for the marriage, not much extra info on it.
TW bachelor 39, MAH spinster 29 - TW a collier, his father a miner, Samson Haspy a farmer - bride and groom both living in Wednesfield. Married by banns - both mark rather than sign. The witnesses are John Naylor and Harriet Naylor.

Thanks for having a look at this for me.

Thomas WORGAN born 1813 Five Acres (1851 ?)

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, April 10, 2023, 11:36 (465 days ago) @ Nick Dub

1851 17 Mill St Hope Hanley Stoke on Trent
Hannah Hordell Head Widow Female 60 1791 - Hanley, Staffordshire, England
John Hordell Son Married Male 27 1824 Potter placer Stoke, Staffordshire, England
Jane Hordell Daughter-in-law Married Female 21 1830 Potter transferrer Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Richard NK Lodger - Male 20 1831 Collier Not Known
Thomas NK Lodger - Male - - Collier Not Known


Thomas Not Known a lodger recently at that address on Census day Sunday 30th March 1851 ?

This address is not far from Bucknall and the Collieries where Thomas is registered in 1861

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Thomas WORGAN born 1813 Five Acres (1851 ?)

by Nick Dub @, Sunday, April 16, 2023, 15:51 (459 days ago) @ slowhands

That's brilliant work, Slowhands - could easily be the man.

I'll try to follow that up

James WORGAN born c 1853 -1929 Bilston

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, April 09, 2023, 11:17 (466 days ago) @ slowhands

(heading down this branch looking for clues !)

First name(s) James
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Last name Worgan
Spouse's father's last name Allen
Birth year 1853
Denomination Anglican
Age 22
Place Fenton, Christ Church
Residence Market ST
County Staffordshire
Year 1875
Country England
Date 23 Dec 1875
Archive reference D3731/1/5
Spouse's first name(s) Emily
Register type Marriage
Spouse's last name Allen
Page 81
Spouse's birth year 1856
Record set Staffordshire Marriages
Spouse's age 19
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Spouse's residence Market St
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Collections from England, Great Britain
Father's last name Worgan


1881 Monckton Road, Havercroft with Cold Hiendley, Hemsworth, Yorkshire
James Worgan Head Married Male 27 1854 Coal miner Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Emily Worgan Wife Married Female 24 1857 - Staffordshire, England
James Worgan Son Single Male 4 1877 - Staffordshire, England
Thomas Worgan Son Single Male 3 1878 - Sharlston, Yorkshire, England
Elijah Worgan Son Single Male 0 1881 - Monkton, Yorkshire, England

1891 Heathcote Road, Stoke upon Trent
James Worgan Head Married Male 38 1853 Coal miner Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Emily Worgan Wife Married Female 34 1857 - Longton, Staffordshire, England
James Worgan Son - Male 14 1877 School boy Longton, Staffordshire, England
William Thomas Worgan Son - Male 12 1879 School boy Yorkshire, England
Elijah Worgan - - Male 10 1881 School boy Yorkshire, England
Emily Ann Worgan Daughter - Female 7 1884 School girl Longton, Yorkshire, England
George Worgan Son - Male 5 1886 - Longton, Yorkshire, England
Ruth Worgan Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Longton, Yorkshire, England
Amos Worgan Son - Male 0 1891 - Longton, Staffordshire, England

1901 120, Heathcote Road, Lonton, Stoke upon Trent
James Worgan Head Married Male 48 1853 Miners (coal pit) sinker Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Emily Worgan Wife Married Female 44 1857 - Longton, Staffordshire, England
W Thomas Worgan Son Single Male 22 1879 Miner (coal pit) sinker Yorkshire, England
Elijah Worgan Son Single Male 20 1881 Potter's fireman's assistant Yorkshire, England
Emily Ann Worgan Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Potters wheel turner Longton, Staffordshire, England
George Worgan Son - Male 15 1886 Baker Longton, Staffordshire, England
Ruth Worgan Daughter - Female 13 1888 - Longton, Staffordshire, England

1911 120, Heathcote Road, Lonton, Stoke upon Trent
James Worgan Head Married Male 59 1852 Coal miner holer below ground Bilston S Staffs
Emily Worgan Wife Married Female 54 1857 - Longton Staff
Ruth Worgan Daughter - Female 23 1888 Lithographer Longton Staff
Mary E Myatt Visitor - Female 21 1890 Throwers attendant Longton Staff
Elijah Allen Adopted - Male 13 1898 - Longton Staff

Deaths Mar 1929 (>99%)
Worgan James 74 Stoke T. 6b 483

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

James WORGAN born c 1853 -1929 Bilston

by Nick Dub @, Sunday, April 09, 2023, 14:07 (466 days ago) @ slowhands

Yes that's my family in Longton after a spell in Yorkshire

My maternal grandfather was George Worgan b 1886

He moved his family down to Cinderford around 1910 so my mother, born 1911, was the first of the family to be born in the Forest for quite some time. She describes her grandfather James Worgan b1854 visiting them in Cinderford in her book.

I'm still trying to get my head round all the comings and goings.

By contrast, the Duberleys stayed in Ruardean, which makes researching their history much simpler. :-)

George WORGAN 1885 - 1961

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, April 10, 2023, 11:48 (465 days ago) @ Nick Dub

George Worgan of Purlieu Farm Lydney 27 Jan 1961 admin 8th May to Ethel Craddock Effects £219 8s 11d


Deaths Jun 1958 (>99%)
WORGAN Ethel 73 Gloucester R. 7b 476

Marriages Jun 1931 (>99%)
Craddock Edward I T Worgan Ross 6a 1223
Worgan Ethel Craddock Ross 6a 1223

Deaths Mar 1961 (>99%)
WORGAN George 75 F.of Dean 7b 526

1939 Green Bank, Townsend, Ruardean
George Worgan 19 Oct 1885 Male Totally Blinded Soldier P {class P?} Married 95 1
Ethel Worgan 05 Sep 1884 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 95 2
George A Worgan 18 Jul 1922 Male Seeking Work Single 95 3
The record for this person is officially closed.

Births Dec 1926 (>99%)
Worgan Edward Gamble Westbury S. 6a 412


Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
Worgan George A Gamble Westbury S. 6a 472

1921 George Ethel Gladys plus 4 others

Births Mar 1919 (>99%)
Worgan Phyllis Gamble Westbury S. 6a 382


possible WW1 service
First name(s) George
Whether served overseas Yes
Last name Worgan
Badge number 155143
Rank Private
Badge date of issue 05-Apr-1917
Service number 18049
Record set Silver War Badge Roll 1914-1920
Regiment/unit Gloster Rgt.
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Enlistment date 14-Jan-1915
Subcategory First World War
Discharge date 19-Mar-1917
Collections from England, Great Britain
Cause of discharge Wounds Para 392 (xvi) {no longer physically fit for war service}
Class P ?

In March 1917 the Gloucesters still had twelve battalions on the Western Front, several of which, in various Divisions, were to be involved in the fighting that took place during the cautious pursuit of the German Army as it withdrew back towards the heavily fortified Hindenburg Line. later in the the summer of '17 the third Ypres offensive or Passendahle.


Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
Worgan Violet Gamble Westbury S. 6a 502


Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
WORGAN Gladys Gamble Westbury S. 6a 510

1911 Belle Vue Rd Cinderford
Thomas Roberts Head Married Male 41 1870 Collier hewer Mitcheldean
Esther Ann Roberts Wife Married Female 37 1874 Certified midwife Cinderford
Annie Matilda Roberts Daughter Single Female 18 1893 Assist in home duties Cinderford
Bessie Roberts Daughter Single Female 15 1896 Assist in home duties Cinderford
Thomas Roberts Son - Male 11 1900 - Cinderford
James Richard Roberts Son - Male 8 1903 - Cinderford
Harry Anthony Roberts Son - Male 2 1909 - Cinderford
George Worgan Ma - Male 25 1886 Collier hewer Longton Staffordshire
Ethel Worgan Wife - Female 26 1885 House wife Longton Staffordshire
Ethel Worgan Daughter - Female 4 1907 - Longton Staffordshire
Lily Worgan Daughter - Female 2 1909 - Longton Staffordshire


Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
GAMBLE Ethel Stoke T. 6b 328
Worgan George Stoke T. 6b 32

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

George WORGAN 1885 - 1961

by Nick Dub @, Monday, April 10, 2023, 14:12 (465 days ago) @ slowhands

Yep, that's my mother's family
My grandfather George Worgan was living in Cinderford, working as a miner when he joined up in 1915
He was blinded in January 1917 from a shrapnel wound at Ypres
He came back to Cinderford via Soudley and was set up in a mat-making shop by St Dunstan's in Commercial St, opposite the Soldiers and Sailors club in 1918.

I mentioned the Roberts family of Cinderford in a previous post on here in an effort to make a guess at which colliery my grandfather was working at in 1911.

Can't be sure, but Lightmoor looks the most likely, as that was where some of the Roberts boys worked.

My mother mentions Mrs Roberts in her book as the local mid-wife and nurse for Cinderford. Whether she knew that her family had lodged with the Roberts's in Belle Vue Road before she was born, I don't know.

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