Question concerning the Skipp family (Urgent)

by Michael Stahl @, Spiekeroog and Oldenburg, Germany, Thursday, January 04, 2024, 13:22 (103 days ago)

Dear All,
Please excuse me for this maybe a bit „different“ topic and request.
While researching about the Skipp family I stumbled across this forum and found that this family has been the subject of discussions here before, so I hope to maybe get some answers to old questions.
I am the grandson of Charles V. Skipp who appears to have served in the British Services after WW2 and was stationed in Germany where he met my grandmother, Ingeborg Adler. Unfortunately, I have not much information about my grandfather as my grandmother didn‘t talk about this topic due to many reasons. The only information I have, is that my grandfather was born in (or around) 1890 and seems to have died in (or around) 1989. My father, Thomas Harold, was born in 1948. I will turn 50 this year, studied English and biology and work as a teacher in Germany. I am married and have two teenage daughters.
I have tried to find information on my grandfather now for years and hope that this topic will not be deleted by the admins, as I put a lot of hope in this request here as some members of the Skipp family seem to be around here.
Hoping to get some information and maybe find some family members, I am sending best wishes for 2024 to everybody.
Kind regards, Michael (Stahl)

Charles Victor SKIPP 1897 - 1988

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, January 04, 2024, 14:50 (103 days ago) @ Michael Stahl

Births Sep 1897 (>99%)
Skipp Charles Victor Royston 3a 569


Surname First name(s) DoB District Vol Page
Deaths 1988 (>99%)
SKIPP CHARLES VICTOR 22JE1897 BIRMINGHAM 32 439

1939 Dehva Deen Hillside Road, Coulsdon, Surrey (Today one of 8 properties on Hillside Road, COULSDON, Croydon, CR5 1PD)
Charles V Skipp 22 Jun 1897 Male Lie Press Manufacturer Married 243 1 rtd 2nd Lieut Rifle Brigade
Florence A S Skipp 14 Sep 1898 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 243 2
The record for this person is officially closed. Olive ?
The record for this person is officially closed. Victor ?
Donald G L Skipp 26 Jul 1932 Male At School - 243 5
Florence M Sewell 30 May 1878 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 243 6
George V Sewell 03 Mar 1918 Male Printer's Machine Minder Single 243 7

Helmut Row is off Old St Finsbury London

Electoral Registers
1931 Charles Victor Skipp abode 45 Helmet Row EC1
1930 Charles Victor Skipp and Florence Amelia Sarah Skipp abode 45 Helmet Row EC1
1929 Charles Victor Skipp and Florence Amelia Sarah Skipp abode 45 Helmet Row EC1
And Henry William Sewell and Richard Charles Sewell
1928 Charles Victor Skipp and Florence Amelia Sarah Skipp abode 45 Helmet Row EC1
And Henry William Sewell and Richard Charles Sewell
1927 Charles Victor Skipp abode 45 Helmet Row EC1
And Henry William Sewell and Florence May Sewell
1926 Charles Victor Skipp abode 45 Helmet Row EC1
And Henry William Sewell and Florence May Sewell
1925 Charles Victor Skipp abode 45 Helmet Row EC1
And Henry William Sewell and Florence May Sewell
1924 Charles Victor Skipp abode 45 Helmet Row EC1
And Henry William Sewell and Florence May Sewell and William Edward Sewell
1923 Charles Victor Skipp abode 45 Helmet Row EC1
And Henry William Sewell and Florence May Sewell and William Edward Sewell
1922 Charles Victor Skipp abode 45 Helmet Row EC1
And Henry William Sewell and Florence May Sewell
And Jane Chapman and Robert William Chapman
1921 Charles Victor Skipp abode 45 Helmet Row EC1
And Henry William Sewell and Florence May Sewell
And Jane Chapman and Robert William Chapman

Births Sep 1932 (>99%)
Skipp Donald G C Sewell Finsbury 1b 793

Births Sep 1925 (>99%)
Skipp Olive F R (or H) Sewell Holborn 1b 965
Skipp Victor H T Sewell Holborn 1b 965


Marriages Dec 1920 (>99%)
Sewell Florence A S Skipp Holborn 1b 1379
Skipp Charles V Lewell Holborn 1b 1379


First name(s) Chas V
Parent's name(s) Thos
Last name Skipp
Book type Admissions
Birth year 1897
Archive Hertfordshire Archives and Local Studies
Birth date 22 Jun 1897
Archive reference HED1/202/3
Event year 1903
Folio / page number 2
School name Cottered Church Of England School
Record set National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
Town Brook End, Cottered
Category Education & work
County Hertfordshire
Subcategory Schools & Education
Country England
Collections from Great Britain, England

Left School 6/10/1911 Gardening


1921 45 Helmet Row Finsbury Holborn EC1
Charles Victor Skipp
And Henry William Sewell and Florence May Sewell
And Jane Chapman and Robert William Chapman + 2 others

1911 Brookend Cottered Hertfordshire, Cottered
Thomas Skipp Head Married Male 61 1850 Butcher 310 Herts Cottered
Emily Skipp Wife Married Female 44 1867 - Essex Waltham Abbey
Charles Skipp Son - Male 13 1898 School Herts Cottered
Leonard Skipp Son - Male 5 1906 - Herts Cottered


1901 Cottered, Royston, Hertfordshire,
Thomas Skipp Head Married Male 51 1850 Butcher Cottered, Hertfordshire, England
Emily Skipp Wife Married Female 34 1867 - Waltham Abbey, Essex, England
Lily Skipp Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Herbert Skipp Son Single Male 9 1892 - Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Arthur Skipp Son Single Male 6 1895 - Cottered, Hertfordshire, England
Charles Skipp Son Single Male 3 1898 - Cottered, Hertfordshire, England

1891 Butchers, 3, Albert Place, Tottenham,
Thomas Skipp Head Married Male 40 1851 Butcher Cottered, Hertfordshire, England
Emily Skipp Wife Married Female 24 1867 - Waltham Abbey, Essex, England
George Skipp Son - Male 14 1877 Boy butcher Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Alfred Skipp Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Ernest Skipp Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Florence E Skipp Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Emily C Skipp Daughter - Female 4 1887 - Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Lily G Skipp Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Tottenham, Middlesex, England

1881 Church RD, 1, Albert Terrace, Tottenham
Thomas Skipp Head Married Male 31 1850 Butcher employing 1 boy Cottered, Hertfordshire, England
Jane Skipp Wife Married Female 33 1848 - North Curry, Somerset, England
George W Skipp Son Single Male 4 1877 - Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Alfred Skipp Son Single Male 2 1879 - Tottenham, Middlesex, England
William A Ansted Servant Single Male 14 1867 Butchers boy Tottenham, Middlesex, England


1861 Cottered Village, Cottered,
Thomas Skipp Lodger - Male 11 1850 Agricultural labourer Cottered, Hertfordshire, England

1851 Meeting House, Cottered, Royston,
William Skipp Head Married Male 28 1823 Ag lab Ardley, Hertfordshire, England
Sarah Skipp Wife Married Female 28 1823 - Hertfordshire, England
William Skipp Son - Male 7 1844 Scholar Cottered, Hertfordshire, England
Emily Skipp Daughter - Female 5 1846 Scholar Cottered, Hertfordshire, England
Thomas Skipp Son - Male 2 1849 - Cottered, Hertfordshire, England
Esau Skipp Son - Male 0 1851 - Cottered, Hertfordshire, England

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Charles V SKIPP 1897 - 1988

by Michael Stahl @, Spiekeroog and Oldenburg, Germany, Thursday, January 04, 2024, 15:12 (103 days ago) @ slowhands

Dear „slowhand“,
Thank you so much for this information. This actually is way more than I could find myself so far …

Charles Victor SKIPP 1897 - 1988

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, January 04, 2024, 15:25 (103 days ago) @ Michael Stahl

Hi

hopefully it is starting to fill some gaps for you ( I've been careful at records beyond 1939 as we are getting to living person records)

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Florence Amelia Sarah SKIPP Nee SEWELL 1898 - 1982

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, January 04, 2024, 15:56 (103 days ago) @ slowhands

Deaths Sep 1982 (>99%)
SKIPP FLORENCE AMELIA S 14SE1898 TRAFFORD 39 1595

1911 45 Helmet Row E C, St Luke, London
Henry William Sewell Head Married Male 37 1874 Carman Staffordsdhire
Florence Sewell Wife Married Female 32 1879 - Bow
Florence A Sewell Daughter Single Female 12 1899 - Finsbury
William Sewell Son Single Male 10 1901 - Holborn
Richard Sewell Son - Male 4 1907 - Shoreditch
Hester Higgs Grandmother Widow Female 78 1833 - Holborn

1901 34, Grays Inn Road, St Andrew Holborn
Henry Sewell Head Married Male 28 1873 Packer fancy goods Staffordshire, England
Florrie Sewell Wife Married Female 23 1878 Housekeeper Bow, Middlesex, England
Florence Sewell Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Sarah Fry Sister Single Female 14 1887 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England

Births Dec 1898 (>99%)
Sewell Florence Amelia S Holborn 1b 756


This needs further work :-
1891 163, Tiverton Road, Tottenham,
Richard Sewell Head Married Male 39 1852 General labourer Oxfordshire, England
Frances Sewell Wife Married Female 25 1866 - Oxfordshire, England
Henry W Sewell Son Single Male 17 1874 General labourer Staffordshire, England
Elizabeth Sewell Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Emma Sewell Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar London, Middlesex, England

1881 5, Eagle Court, Clerkenwell, Holborn,
Richard Sewell Head Married Male 30 1851 - Oxfordshire, England
Sarah Sewell Wife Married Female 25 1856 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Henry Sewell Son Single Male 7 1874 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Phoeby Sewell Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England

1871 Eagle Court, St James Clerkenwell,
Ri??? J Sewell Lodger - Male 19 1852 - Oxfordshire, England

1861 Tetsworth, Thame, Oxfordshire,
Joseph Sewell Head Married Male 60 1801 Agricultural labourer Thame, Oxfordshire, England
Rhoda Sewell Wife Married Female 58 1803 Labourers wife Dinton, Buckinghamshire, England
George Sewell Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Farm labourer Tetsworth, Oxfordshire, England
Emma Sewell Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 - Tetsworth, Oxfordshire, England
Richard Sewell Son - Male 10 1851 Scholar Tetsworth, Oxfordshire, England

1851
Emma Sewell Daughter - Female 5 1846 - Tetsworth, Oxfordshire, England
George Sewell Son - Male 8 1843 - Tetsworth, Oxfordshire, England
Alice Sewell Daughter - Female 13 1838 - Tetsworth, Oxfordshire, England
James Sewell Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Ag lab Tetsworth, Oxfordshire, England
Phebee Sewell Wife Married Female 45 1806 - Dinton, Buckinghamshire, England
Joseph Sewell Head Married Male 51 1800 Ag lab Thame, Oxfordshire, England

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Hester HIGGS circa 1833

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, January 05, 2024, 16:58 (102 days ago) @ slowhands

1911 45 Helmet Row E C, St Luke, London
Henry William Sewell Head Married Male 37 1874 Carman Staffordsdhire
Florence Sewell Wife Married Female 32 1879 - Bow
Florence A Sewell Daughter Single Female 12 1899 - Finsbury
William Sewell Son Single Male 10 1901 - Holborn
Richard Sewell Son - Male 4 1907 - Shoreditch
Hester Higgs Grandmother Widow Female 78 1833 - Holborn


1901 41, Clerkenwell Close, Clerkenwell, Holborn
Esther Higgs Head Widow Female 60 1841 Charwoman City of London, Middlesex, England
Mary A Brown Daughter Married Female 29 1872 Tailoress City of London, Middlesex, England
Thomas Brown Grand son - Female 5 1896 - Greenwich, Kent, England


1891 41, Clerkenwell Close, Clerkenwell,
Esther Higgs Head Widow Female 57 1834 Charwoman London, Middlesex, England
Mary A Higgs Granddaughter Single Female 19 1872 - London, Middlesex, England
Esther Higgs Granddaughter Single Female 16 1875 - London, Middlesex, England

1881 4, Woodbridge Street, Clerkenwell, Holborn,
William Higgs Head Married Male 50 1831 Carver & guilder Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Hester Higgs Wife Married Female 46 1835 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England

1871 Eagle Court, St James Clerkenwell,
William Higgs Head - Male 44 1827 - Middlesex, England
Esther Higgs Wife - Female 40 1831 - Middlesex, England
Thomas Higgs Son - Male 19 1852 - Middlesex, England
Sarah Higgs Daughter - Female 16 1855 - Warwickshire, England

1861 9, Baldwins Gardens, St Andrews Holborn,
William Higgs Head Married Male 34 1827 Carver of gilder Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Ester Higgs Wife Married Female 32 1829 - St Andrew's, Middlesex, England
Thomas Higgs Son - Male 9 1852 - -
Sarah Higgs Daughter - Female 6 1855 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
John Higgs Son - Male 2 1859 - St Andrews, Fife, Scotland


1841 William Street, St James Clerkenwell, ???
Isaac Higgs Male 40 1801 Ireland
Harriott Higgs Female 40 1801 Middlesex, England
Harriott Higgs Female 20 1821 Middlesex, England
William Higgs Male 17 1824 Middlesex, England
John Higgs Male 15 1826 Middlesex, England
Sarah Higgs Female 10 1831 Middlesex, England
James Higgs Male 6 1835 Middlesex, England
Joseph Higgs Male 2 1839 Middlesex, England

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Charles Victor SKIPP - Military Service.

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Thursday, January 04, 2024, 20:19 (103 days ago) @ slowhands

1939 Dehva Deen Hillside Road, Coulsdon,
Charles V Skipp 22 Jun 1897 Male Lie Press Manufacturer Married 243 1 rtd 2nd Lieut Rifle Brigade
Florence A S Skipp 14 Sep 1898 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 243 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
Donald G L Skipp 26 Jul 1932 Male At School - 243 5
Florence M Sewell 30 May 1878 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 243 6
George V Sewell 03 Mar 1918 Male Printer's Machine Minder Single 243 7

Hi again Michael,
thanks to Slowhands we know that Charles Victor SKIPP was a Retired 2nd Lieutenant in the Rifle Brigade when the 1939 Register was taken on 29 September 1939 shortly after the start of WW2. You will also note the Register gives his precise birthdate of 22nd June 1897, so he'd have been about 41 years old in 1939.
The !939 Register wasn't a routine census like the 1921 etc before it. The information it gave was used to produce identity cards and, once rationing was introduced in January 1940, to issue ration books. Information in the Register was also used to administer conscription and the direction of labour, and to monitor and control the movement of the population caused by military mobilisation and mass evacuation. Serving members of the Armed Forces were not included, altho clearly many of the civilians who were listed would later serve. By the way, where entries in the Register are shown "closed", this is for reasons of privacy to those persons, as these records invariably refer to very young children at the time, so may still be alive nowadays.

Unfortunately I'm not currently subscribed to any of the big family history research websites, but this doesn't stop the Ancestry site giving a few hints. Again, it seems to prove there was only ever one "Charles V Skipp", the advantages of such an unusual nameset means the following results most probably do relate to your Grandfather Michael.

Firstly, it has an image if his Medal Index Card, as issued to everyone who served in the British Army and some other services during WW1, and was produced towards the end of the war to help administer the various service medals each person might claim. This particular card isn't as informative as some are, but it does state;

Name Charles V Skipp
Military Date 1914-1920
Military Place England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, United Kingdom
Regiment or Corps Machine Gun Corps
Regimental Number 65866

It also shows he'd risen to Sergeant, and was entitled to two of the basic three medals, namely the British War medal and the Victory Medal. The fact he wasn't entitled to the Star medal, and the lack of other details, shows Charles' service started after 1916. I can send you a pdf file of this card image if you're interested Michael, just email me via the envelope icon against my user name. More info about these cards here
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/british-arm...

The Machine Gun Corps was seen as something of an elite unit, a new unit needing men who were particularly good with their hands and the understanding of complicated mechanisms, and also mathematics and geometry too. This may be an indicator as to Charles' own interests and hobbies, and why in his later years he worked at an engineering company making presses in Coulsdon, south London. The MGC was also considered to be a suicide company, as they were so disliked and keenly targeted by their enemy !
https://www.machine-gun-corps-database.co.uk/intro_page.html

Sadly only about 2/3 of the individual Service Records for British Army WW1 soldiers still exist; as the Ancestry site doesn't mention them by now it appears that Charles' records are among those lost.

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The Ancestry website also suggests Charles had been awarded the Military Medal. The MM was awarded for acts of special devotion or bravery under fire, and was specifically for non commisioned officers and lower ranks. See https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/research-award-military-medal-mm/

All such awards were recorded (or "gazetted") by the London Gazette newspaper - using their free-to-use website we can search Charles by name and find images of the pages that show his award of the MM, published 25th July 1919 - which explains why it wasn't mentioned on his Medal Index card. Sadly the record doesn't tell us precisely what he did to gain the award, but this might possibly be mentioned in the War Diary for the MGC. Hopefully this link will work for you Michael and lead directly to the page.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31475/supplement/9534

The second mention of Charles in the Gazette comes from 19th July 1940, so just after the Fall of France and the Dunkirk Evacuation. It tells us that he has been made a full 2nd Lieutenant, confirms he nas an MM, and also states he is now in the East Lancashire Regiment and his Army number is 136601.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34902/supplement/4496

Given the date of the award, and the fact the East Lancs Regiment was serving in France with the B.E.F. during the Battle of France until being part of the rearguard at Dunkirk, it seems possible that Charles had played an active part in this campaign.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Lancashire_Regiment

Does the fact Charles was with the East Lancashire regiment explain why his children were married in that same area, and his wife Florence died there (Trafford, Manchester) ?.

Sadly researching the detailed service records for individual WW2 soldiers is quite difficult, only proven descendants/family members can undertake this, and only by applying to the Brtish M.o.D.

I hope this is of interest Michael. I'm not a "supporter" of war in any form, but it has always interested me both historically and technically, and has been a large part of my engineering career.

atb J

Charles Victor SKIPP - WW1 Military Service.

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, January 04, 2024, 21:16 (103 days ago) @ Jefff

Medal type Military Medal, 1914-1920
Force British Expeditionary Force
Schedule 116467
Gazetteer date 17.12.1917
Record set Britain, Campaign, Gallantry & Long Service Medals & Awards
Gazette date 17 Dec 1917
First name(s) C V
Registration paper 68/121/359
Last name Skipp
Theatre of war France
Year 1917
Archive The National Archives
Service number 65866
Reference WO 372/23/166831
Rank Lance Corporal
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Regiment Machine Gun Corps
Subcategory Medal Rolls and Honours
Regiment as transcribed 153rd Coy Machine Gun Corpsorps
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

First name(s) C V
Country Great Britain
Last name Skipp
Medal type British Army Medal Index Cards, 1914-1920
Year 1914-20
Archive reference WO372/23
Service number 65866
Archive reference description Women's Services, Distinguished Conduct Medals and Military Medals
Rank Lance Corporal
Record set Britain, Campaign, Gallantry & Long Service Medals & Awards
Regiment Machine Gun Corps
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Service record Soldier Number: 65866, Rank: Lance Corporal, Corps: Machine Gun Corps
Subcategory Medal Rolls and Honours

First name(s) Charles Victor M.M.
Medals awarded British War Medal And Victory Medal
Last name Skipp
Remarks Class Z. (A.R.) 7.3.19
Disembarkation year -
Archive The National Archives
Disembarkation date -
Archive series WO 329
Rank Sergeant
Archive reference WO 329/1746
Rank as transcribed Sgt.
Record set Britain, First World War Campaign Medals
Service number 65866
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Regiment Machine Gun Corps
Subcategory First World War
Previous unit 65866 M.G.C. Sgt
Collections from Great Britain, UK None


First name(s) C V
Archive The National Archives
Last name Skipp
Series WO 363
Year 1914-20
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Service number 65866
Record set British Army Service Records
Unit / Battalion 51st Battalion
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Regiment Machine Gun Corps
Subcategory First World War
Originating Record WO 363. 17036 Cecil Douglas Elsley Newman, Royal Horse & Field Artillery
Collections from Great Britain, UK None


First name(s) C V
Archive The National Archives
Last name Skipp
Series WO 363
Year 1914-20
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Service number 65866
Record set British Army Service Records
Unit / Battalion -
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Regiment Machine Gun Corps
Subcategory First World War
Originating Record WO 363. 4607 Evan Thomas Bowen, 2/1st Pembroke Yeomanry (Castlemartin)
Collections from Great Britain, UK None


mentions:-

Skipp
Charles Victor 1919 London Gazette England

Skipp
C V 1940 London Gazette England

East Lancs Regiment WWII
2nd Lt. Charles Victor SKIPP, M.M. (136601), to be 2nd Lt. 25th June 1940.

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Charles Victor SKIPP - WW1 Military Service.

by Michael Stahl @, Spiekeroog and Oldenburg, Germany, Friday, January 05, 2024, 08:54 (102 days ago) @ slowhands

Dear slowhands, as I already replied to Jeff, I can‘t say how much I thank you for this immense help. Yesterday, I had nothing but a name and rough time frame, today a whole story is beginning to unfold. Thank you so much for all this!
All the best, Michael

Charles Victor SKIPP - Military Service.

by Michael Stahl @, Spiekeroog and Oldenburg, Germany, Friday, January 05, 2024, 08:53 (102 days ago) @ Jefff

Dear Jefff, I can‘t say how much I thank you for this immense help. Yesterday, I had nothing but a name and rough time frame, today a whole story is beginning to unfold. Thank you so much for all this!
All the best, Michael

Question concerning the Skipp family

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Thursday, January 04, 2024, 15:09 (103 days ago) @ Michael Stahl

Hi Michael, welcome to the forum.

Are you certain that you don't have any more information about the people you mention - every little helps ?

For example, yes the SKIPP family has been the subject of some threads on the forum in the past, especially within the Ledbury area just a little north of the Forest. I found this by using the forum search box, but at first look I cannot see any obvious mentions of the people you mention. Please, did you find a prior thread that seemed particularly relevant to your family ?.

Regarding your Grandfather Charles, as a starter the FreeBMD website is a quick and easy site to use and gives good coverage across all the UK, and is free to use.
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

From this we find the following death record - the site contains BMD records for several "Charles Skipp"s, going back to 1837, but only a couple for "Charles V Skipp", namely;

Surname Given Name DoB District Volume Page Reg. No. Transcriber
Deaths 1988
SKIPP CHARLES VICTOR 22 JE 1897 BIRMINGHAM 32 0439 04.88

ie, Charles Victor Skipps death was recorded in the district of Birmingham in 1988, and his brithday was recorded as being 22nd June 1897.

This information matches the only other "Charles V Skipp" record off that website;

Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcriber
Births Sep 1897
Skipp Charles Victor Royston 3a 569 shan57

(The "Sep 1897" refers to the quarter the death was registered, so sometime during July/August/September of 1897. It was the duty of the parents to visit their local office to advise of an event after it had happened, and not unusual for a birth to be recorded a while after the actual event, so in this case probably sometime in July as befits a birth in late June).
The Royston District is an area spanning three counties, see here.
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/royston.html

Excellent as the FreeBMD website it, it only searches for, and gives records for, against the exact information entered into it's search boxes, so it's not great at offering slight spelling variations. I can easily imagine the SKIPP surname to be accidentally spelt as "SKIP", so re-searching the site for Charles SKIP" gives just the one record in the whole of the UK.Given it's in Royston, I wonder if that record is an ancestor of your Charles Victor, possible even his parents of your Charles Victor ? - need to look him up in the census' to perhaps confirm this.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1870 (>99%)
Geaves Mary Royston 3a 333
Gutteridge Catharine Royston 3a 333
SKIP Charles Royston 3a 333

Needs more researchto identify which lady is Charles' bride, and whether they are related to Charles Victor.


At this moment it's hard to see any obvious links to the Forest of Dean area in west Gloucestershire, but who knows ?.

Hoping 2024 brings you good luck and good news in your continued searches.
JJ

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Later update - oops, it seems Slowhands has been looking at this query at the same time I was. Sorry about that, I'll leave you in his capable (and far from "Slow) hands.

Question concerning the Skipp family

by Michael Stahl @, Spiekeroog and Oldenburg, Germany, Thursday, January 04, 2024, 15:24 (103 days ago) @ Jefff

Dear Jefff,
Thank you so much for your long and detailed reply. This definitely helps a lot!
Unfortunately, this really IS the only information I have. Because of that, actually all Threads regarding the Skipp family are relevant or at least COULD be relevant for me.
Thanks a lot for the link to the freebmd website. I will check on that asap.
Also thanks A LOT for the info on the two Charles V. Skipp you found on the web. I hope that by combining the infos here (and maybe finding family members living in the Forest of Dean area), I can find out about my British family.
Concerning Forest of Dean, we plan to visit next summer, when we will bring our Land Rover „Home“ (it has been our home for more than a year when we traveled from northern Germany to Cape Town in 2015/2016) and travel Britain (also the „place“ where my wife and I fell in love and got engaged) … So, we will travel back to our roots in many ways and for sure will visit Forest of Dean (our daughters being absolute Harry Potter fans is just one reason).
Again, thanks for your help (and also for not deleting this thread ;-) ).
All the best, Michael

Question concerning the Skipp family

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Thursday, January 04, 2024, 15:39 (103 days ago) @ Michael Stahl

You're very welcome, glad the links have helped. Also glad to know you have a Landie, hopefully you will enjoy visiting the Forest in it, it will enjoy the small but sometimes steep hills and bends of the narrow Forest roads, even though you won't be allowed to take it on some of the more challenging off-road Forest tracks !

Another excellent and free to use website is the FamilySearch one. It gives coverage across the world as well as the UK, so I had a quick look for Charles to see if it gave anything to do with his time in Germany, perhaps. Sadly no it didnt, at least not yet, maybe you can get more luck if you have more time to try ?. But it did give the following marriage records for his children. The bare info should be available from the FreeBMD site, if you wish to build a family tree, but this gives a little more info again.

Name Allan Holbrook
Sex Male
Age 26
Birth Year (Estimated) 1925
Father's Name Harry Holbrook
Father's Sex Male
Spouse's Name Olive Florence Emily Skipp
Spouse's Sex Female
Spouse's Age 25
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1926
Spouse's Father's Name Charles Victor Skipp
Spouse's Father's Sex Male
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 21 Jul 1951
Event Place Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original) Lancaster


Name Donald Gerald Charles Skipp
Sex Male
Age 22
Birth Year (Estimated) 1933
Father's Name Charles Victor Skipp
Father's Sex Male
Spouse's Name Joyce Hanley
Spouse's Sex Female
Spouse's Age 23
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1932
Spouse's Father's Name Ernest Hanley
Spouse's Father's Sex Male
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 28 May 1955
Event Place Manchester, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original) Manchester

From https://www.familysearch.org/en/

Using the FreeBMD site we can then search for possible births to these couples, eg :

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Sep 1959 (>99%)
SKIPP Hilary HANLEY Manchester 10e 358

Sadly we then find this record...

Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page Transcriber
Deaths Sep 1959
SKIPP Hilary 0 Manchester 10e 95 ianguardian

Also,

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Sep 1955 (>99%)
HOLBROOK Nigel SKIPP Barton 10b 326

Barton District is in Lancashire, more specifically Salford/Trafford districts of Greater Manchester.

Which leads to;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1978 (>99%)
Holbrook Nigel Roberts Trafford 39 1421
Roberts Gwyneth M Holbrook Trafford 39 1421


If you want to continue searching for any extended family within the UK, this technique might shed further results, but be advised we cannot help you any further on this forum. Also note the FreeBMD site's records do not extend up to current times, probably no more recent than the 1980s or 90s, although much-more recent records of this ilk are available on Ancestry etc, as are electoral registers etc which may give possible residential addresses etc.

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Finally Michael, if ok with you I'd like to send you a little more info that may interest you regarding your upcoming visit to the UK, and your Land Rover, so it's a little outside the remit of this forum so perhaps best kept just between us. Please can you contact me by direct email, off the forum, by clicking the envelope icon next to my user name at top of my posts. Please be assured this is purely general chit-chat and nothing to be worried about, and definitely no scam.

HTH, J

Question concerning the Skipp family

by Michael Stahl @, Spiekeroog and Oldenburg, Germany, Saturday, January 06, 2024, 09:00 (101 days ago) @ Jefff

Desr Jefff, please excuse me that, overwhelmed by all the news here, I didn‘t react to the last and very kind part of your post. I will send you a pm later today and we would be most happy about any information, ideas, contacts et cet for our summer road trip to Britain. Thank you so much for the offer. All the best, Michael

Question concerning the Skipp family

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Monday, January 08, 2024, 23:37 (99 days ago) @ Michael Stahl

Dear Michael,
many thanks for your kind words, but please be assured it's our pleasure that we were able to help you with your researches; and please don't worry that you were a little "late" replying, as you were not late at all. In fact its just so very nice that you replied at all, sad to say some people post queries and presumably see the forum's replies, yet they never bother to follow-up.
Just as I'm a tad late writing this haha.
Anyway, thanks for your email, I'll try to reply soon - and if I don't, PLEASE do chase me up. Unfortunately I have a lot of other stuff to deal with at the moment, my house and it's domestic appliances are all falling apart at once, rather like myself, the effects of old age no doubt, haha.
Many thanks again for your interesting post, and especially your enthusiastic replies !
Atb Jeff

Question concerning the Skipp family

by Michael Stahl @, Spiekeroog and Oldenburg, Germany, Saturday, January 06, 2024, 09:14 (101 days ago) @ Michael Stahl

Thank you so much @Jefff and @slowhands, you have been an immense help and put many lost pieces of my family puzzle together again! One „piece“ I would like to share here: years ago I stumbled across a certain „Victor Skipp“, artist, local historian (I tried to insert the Wikipedia link here, but that didn’t work), who I guessed he might be a relative, maybe my father‘s half brother, son of Charles Victor Skipp. I contacted one of the artists he seemed to have collected artwort from, Linda Karshan, and she kindly sent me some info on Victor, but sadly didn‘t have info on his family… Yesterday, with your help, I found out that I was right. Life goes funny ways … deeply thankful, guys!

For Victor Skipp, local historian in the Birmingham area (in case you‘re interested), see this link https://https://www.cam.ac.uk/news/primitive-art-modernism-philosophy-literature-an-ins... , this link https://https://vimeo.com/53794863 … and see https://https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Skipp

Victor Henry Thomas SKIPP 1925 -2010

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, January 07, 2024, 10:25 (100 days ago) @ Michael Stahl

Births Sep 1925 (>99%)
Skipp Victor H T Sewell Holborn 1b 965


First name(s) Victor H T
County Cambridgeshire
Last name Skipp
Country England
Marriage quarter 4
Volume 4A
Marriage year 1971
Volume as transcribed 4A
Registration month -
Page number 732
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Spouse's last name Ankcorn (Patricia)
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Cambridge
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
District number -
Collections from Great Britain, England

First name(s) Victor Henry Thomas
County Suffolk
Last name Skipp
Country England
Death year 2010
Document type Grant and will
Death date 24 Dec 2010
Number 3640159
Probate year 2012
Record set England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019
Probate date 21 Mar 2012
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Probate registry Ipswich
Subcategory


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Skipp

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Olive Florence HOLBROOK nee SKIPP 1926 - 2007

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, January 08, 2024, 11:08 (99 days ago) @ Michael Stahl

This may be Victor's sister needs further investigation ( feels right given the DoB and Florence as a second name)


Births Sep 1925 (>99%)
Skipp Olive F R( or H) Sewell Holborn 1b 965

Marriages Sep 1951 (>99%)
SKIPP Olive F E HOLBROOK Middleton 10e 1371

First name(s) Olive Florence Emily
Postcode area WA
Last name Holbrook
Postcode district WA15
Sex Female
Postcode sector WA15 0
Birth year 1926
County Cheshire
Birth date 1926
Country England
Age 81
Record set England & Wales Deaths 2007-2021
Death year 2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death date 21 Aug 2007
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Residence Altrincham
Collections from England, Great Britain, Wales


First name(s) Olive Florence Emily
County Lancashire
Last name Holbrook
Country England
Death year 2007
Document type Grant and will
Death date 21 Aug 2007
Number 2651902
Probate year 2008
Record set England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019
Probate date 18 Jan 2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Probate registry Manchester
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Residence town -

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