Florence Eveline Mason (General)

by Mac74, Thursday, January 18, 2024, 16:18 (89 days ago)

Hi All
Havent posted for a long tims just trying to tie up some loose ends up regarding my Forest ancestors if i can !
My Grt Gran was Florence Evelin Mason daughter of Noah she married Edward John Jones in Gwent recently speaking to my Dad whos in his 80s he was told that either Florence or her Mother were born out of wedlock and took Mason surname? Is only way to prove this via birth certs ot wedding certs?
Another thing he was told that either on jis Masons or Tippins one of our line married a 1st cousin who died and then remarried her sister ? He beleaves they were both stated as deaf and dum on census aa were a few of the offspring ? He says either the Tippins or Masons this side happened to were tent dwellers originally on ruar dean hill or crump meadow and worked in the nearby mine?
Would love to know if any of this true or hearsay he heard growing up when the Tippins visited his Nanny Tippins in South Wales as a kid
Any info links or details on any of the above would be really appreciated
Many thanks in advance
Duncan

Florence Eveline MASON 1891-1956 Ruardean - Abertillery

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, January 18, 2024, 17:30 (89 days ago) @ Mac74

Deaths Mar 1959 (>99%)
Jones Edward John 76 Bedwelty 8c 51
Deaths Mar 1956 (>99%)
Jones Florence E 64 Bedwellty 8c 71
Many possible JONES/MASON children to consider !


1939 35 Gwern-Berthi Road, Abertillery,
Edward J Jones 25 Jan 1883 Male Colliery Hewer Married 165 1
Florence E Jones 11 Sep 1891 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 165 2
George Jones 28 Sep 1923 Male Coal Hewer Helper Single 165 3
The record for this person is officially closed.
Roland J Jones 15 Jan 1928 Male At School Single 165 5
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.

example:-Births Mar 1928 (>99%)
Jones Roland J Mason Bedwellty 11a 112


1921 Abertilery
Florence Evelyn, Edward John, Phyllis Ellen and 5 others are on this record


Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
JONES Edward John Pontypool 11a 305
MASON Florence Evelyn Pontypool 11a 305

1911 2 Clydach Cottages Upper Tenent Cwmtillery, Abertillery,
John Jones Head Married Male 28 1883 Collier hewer Llanslly Brecon
Florence Jones Wife Married Female 20 1891 - Forest of Dean
Edward Jones Son Single Male 1 1910 - Cwmtillery
Oscar Nicholas Lodger Single Male 20 1891 Collier hewer Bristol
Victor Caple Lodger Single Male 22 1889 Collier hewer Bristol

1901 Coedcaeddu, Abertillery, Bedwellty,
Noah Mason Head Married Male 63 1838 Coal miner hewer Gloucestershire, England
Charlotte Mason Wife Married Female 60 1841 - Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Son Single Male 19 1882 Coal miner hewer Gloucestershire, England
Sidney Mason Son - Male 13 1888 Coal miner hewer Gloucestershire, England
Florrie Mason Grand daughter - Female 9 1892 - Gloucestershire, England
Ernest Meek Boarder Single Male 22 1879 Coal miner hewer Gloucestershire, England
George Tippins Visitor Married Male 36 1865 Coal miner hewer Gloucestershire, England
Fredrick Tippins Visitor Single Male 13 1888 Coal miner hewer Gloucestershire, England


Births Dec 1891 (>99%)
Mason Florence Eveline Westbury S. 6a 243

1891 Ruardean Hill
Noah Mason Head Married Male 53 1838 Coal miner Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Charlotte Mason Wife Married Female 50 1841 - Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Joseph Mason Son Single Male 22 1869 Coal miner Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Annie Mason Daughter Single Female 16 1875 General servant domestic Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England
John Mason Son Single Male 12 1879 Scholar Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Son Single Male 9 1882 Scholar Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Sydney Mason Son Single Male 3 1888 - Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England

1881 Ruardean Hill
Noah Mason Head Married Male 43 1838 Collier East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Charlotte Mason Wife Married Female 39 1842 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Jacob Mason Son Single Male 19 1862 Collier East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Thomas Mason Son Single Male 16 1865 Collier East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Joseph Mason Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Ellen Mason Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Annie Mason Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Jotham Mason Son Single Male 2 1879 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England


1871 Ruardean Hill
Noah Mason Head - Male 34 1837 - Gloucestershire, England
Charlotte Mason Wife - Female 28 1843 - Gloucestershire, England
Jacob Mason Son - Male 9 1862 - Gloucestershire, England
Thomas Mason Son - Male 6 1865 - Gloucestershire, England
Elijah Mason Son - Male 2 1869 - Gloucestershire, England

1861 Ruardean Hill
Noah Mason Lodger Married Male 23 1838 Coal miner East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Charlotte Mason Lodger Unmarried Female 19 1842 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Marriages Jun 1860 (>99%)
Barnard Charlotte Westbury S. 6a 413
Mason Noah Westbury S 6a 413

1851 Ruardean Hill
Zilpha Mason Head Widow Female 42 1809 Seamstress East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Noah Mason Son Unmarried Male 14 1837 Coal miner East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Joseph Mason Son Unmarried Male 10 1841 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1841
Lilpah Mason abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Ann Mason abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Joshan Mason abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Amelia Mason abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Noah Mason abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest,

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Charlotte BARNARD 1843 Plump Hill

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, January 18, 2024, 17:38 (89 days ago) @ slowhands

1851 Plump Hill
Philip Barnard Head Widower Male 35 1816 Coal miner East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Ann Barnard Daughter - Female 13 1838 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Charlotte Barnard Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England


Year: 1843
Month: Mar
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: BARNARD
Child_Forenames: Charlotte
Fathers_Forenames: Philip
Mothers_Forenames: Ellen
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean Hill
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: J. Chell
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 37
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook


Year: 1838
Month: Aug
Day: 26
Grooms_Surname: BARNARD
Grooms_Forenames: Philip
Grooms_Age: full age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Forest of Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Barnard
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: BALDWIN
Brides_Forenames: Ellen
Brides_Age: full age
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Forest of Dean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Baldwin
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Cornelius
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: [not stated]
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Mark
Witness_1: Thomas Cadogan
Witness_2: Mark of Mary Ann Price
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: W. Wickenden Off[iciating] Min[ister]
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P30 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 11
Parish_Chapel: Awre

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Florence Eveline MASON 1891, and father Noah etc

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Friday, January 19, 2024, 15:06 (88 days ago) @ slowhands

Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
JONES Edward John Pontypool 11a 305
MASON Florence Evelyn Pontypool 11a 305

Births Dec 1891 (>99%)
Mason Florence Eveline Westbury S. 6a 243


Marriages Jun 1860 (>99%)
Barnard Charlotte Westbury S. 6a 413
Mason Noah Westbury S 6a 413


To further clarify Slowhands' findings above;

1. Odd how Edward and Florence Jones seem to have evaded the 1911 census, or indeed later records such as death records, at least as far as I can find. Hopefully Duncan you already have this information.

2. Duncan, you mentioned your Dad "was told that either Florence or her Mother were born out of wedlock and took Mason surname?"

Slowhands gave you the above BMD records from the FreeBMD website. At first glance it seems the family weren't churchgoers, otherwise Slowhands would have given you parish records to give more information about the events, especially useful as they often contained sidenotes if a child was baptised out of wedlock. However, we can still look-up the above records on the GlosBMD website which gives a little more info, namely;

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MASON Florence Eveline 1891 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 62 93

The absence of the mother's former name in this record usually suggests that Florence was illegitimate.


3. Regarding the Marriage of Noah and Charlotte in 1860, the GlosBMD record helpfully confirms this wasn't a church wedding;

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
MASON Noah BARNARD Charlotte Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office 1860 2 125

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx

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Despite thinking Noah and Charlotte were not churchgoers, I now see this FoDFH website contains detailed Baptism Records for several of their children, and a couple of marriages, as follows. More details can be found by looking at each individual record, but suffice to say in every one Noah is given as a coal miner, residing Ruardean Hill, and the church is "Drybrook", aka the beautiful Holy Trinity on Harrow Hill, known locally as the Forest Church. http://drybrook.forestchurch.org.uk/

Those baptisms, and a few other records, are:

Year Surname First Name Fathers Forename Mothers Forename Event Parish/Chapel More detail

1861 MASON Jacob Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1863 MASON Joseph Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1864 MASON Thomas Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1866 MASON Amelia Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1869 MASON Elijah Joseph Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1871 MASON Ellen Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1873 MASON George Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1875 MASON Sarah Anne Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1877 MASON Keziah Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1879 MASON Jotham Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1881 MASON George Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail
1887 MASON Sydney Albert Noah Charlotte Baptism Drybrook More detail

1882 MASON Jacob Noah Marriage Drybrook More detail
1885 MASON Thomas Noah Marriage Ruardean More detail

Full records here https://forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php/resources/parish-records

I think the absence of Florence from this list is further proof she was born out of wedlock.

Florence Eveline MASON 1891, and father Noah in 1911.

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Friday, January 19, 2024, 15:50 (88 days ago) @ Jefff

UPDATE - Pleased to see Slowhands has added to his original post while I was typing the above post. I also saw the possibility Florence and Edward Jones were in Bedwelty district, which includes Abertillery - I was helped by my finding this 1911 census record for her widowed father Noah living with her brother Sydney. I'm sure Slowhands will soon find them in the 1901 census as well.


Name: Sidney Mason
Sex: Male
Age: 23
Birth Year (Estimated): 1888
Birthplace: Plump, Gloucestershire
Marriage Date: 1910
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: COAL MINER
Number in Family: 5
Years Married: 1
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Relationship Code: Head
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Event Place: England
Event Place (Original): Abertillery, COED - CAE DY ABERTILLERY, Aberystruth, Monmouthshire, England
Sub-District: Aberystruth
Sub-District Number: 1
Enumeration District: 28
District Number: 585
Household Identifier: 318410583
Record Type: Household
Document Type: 6
Line Number: 1
Page Number: 1
Source Page Type: 6
Piece/Folio: 583
Registration Number: RG14
Schedule Type: 292

Name: Mary Mason
Sex: Female
Age: 23
Birth Year (Estimated): 1888
Birthplace: Treeton Nr Rotherham, Yorkshire
Marital Status: Married
Number in Family: 5
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife

Name: Albert James Mason
Sex: Male
Age: 0
Birth Year (Estimated): 1911
Birthplace: Abertillery, Monmouthshire
Number in Family: 5
Relationship to Head of Household: Son

Name: Noah Mason
Sex: Male
Age: 73
Birth Year (Estimated): 1838
Birthplace: Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: RETIRED COAL MINER
Number in Family: 5
Relationship to Head of Household: Father

Name: Ethel Baldwin
Sex: Female
Age: 8
Birth Year (Estimated): 1903
Birthplace: Bulwell Nottingham, Nottinghamshire
Occupation: SCHOOL
Number in Family: 5
Relationship to Head of Household: Visitor


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Sidney Mason Son M 23 Plump, Gloucestershire
Mary Mason F 23 Treeton Nr Rotherham, Yorkshire
Albert James Mason M 0 Abertillery, Monmouthshire
Ethel Baldwin F 8 Bulwell Nottingham, Nottinghamshire


Given her young age to be a "visitor", I suspect Ethel BALDWIN may be a relative ?
Or maybe they're just minding a neighbour's child at the moment the census official called by.


FreeBMD tells us Noah's wife Charlotte passed away in 1908;

Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page Transcriber
Deaths Mar 1908
MASON Charlotte. 67 Bedwelty 11a 61 Pat


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Hope this helps. Rest assured if I'd known Slowhands was going to be returning to these older posts then I would have left them and you Duncan in his more than capable, and definitely not slow, hands :-).
I look forward to reading his continued findings.
atb J

Florence Eveline MASON 1891, and father Noah etc

by Mac74, Friday, January 19, 2024, 16:28 (88 days ago) @ Jefff

Hi Slowhands and Jefff
Thanks for taking time out to do look ups and sharing????great stuff ive never looked back at my Jones line so thats great????definately something else to look into
Back to Florence so she was illigitimate after all by looks of it and took her Mothers name of Mason am i right ? Im still trying to work out her or her husbands link back to Benjamin Mason and Melenda Davis ? Is that her Nan or possibly her Mum? Bear with me im looking for me readers!

Florence Eveline MASON 1891,Melinda (updated mother in law)

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, January 19, 2024, 18:48 (88 days ago) @ Mac74

Hi
Melinda Davis is the mother of the deaf/dumb children, and Ellen 1869, I suspect she is a great Aunt to Florence MASON.....need to see what was recorder on her birth and marriage certs to attempt to untangle this one. And then we may have two sources in agreement if you you are lucky !


Update

NOah MASON 1838 is her Grandfather

she gives her father as a George MASON witnesses Jotham and Brenda MASON which make Melinda her "mother in Law" had they married , however my George candidate dies before he could father Florence


so is the George MASON father an older man - there are a couple of candidates nearby or was the dead George MASON a convenient scapegoat to cover up the pregnancy ?

First name(s) Florence Evelyn
Spouse's age 26
Last name Mason
Spouse's birth year 1883
Age 18
Spouse's father's last name Jones
Birth year 1891
Spouse's father's first name(s) Edward
Event year 1909
County Monmouthshire
Banns year -
Country Wales
Marriage year 1909would
Event Marriage
Marriage date 05 Jun 1909
Page 87
Marriage place Llanhilleth
Record set Monmouthshire Marriages And Banns
Father's first name(s) George
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's last name Mason
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Spouse's first name(s) Edward John
Collections from Wales, Great Britain
Spouse's last name Jones


groom and both fathers given as Colliers ( i.e. all living as deceased is the normal entry otherwise) again George could be a phantom !

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Florence Eveline MASON 1891, and Melinda

by Mac74, Friday, January 19, 2024, 18:54 (88 days ago) @ slowhands

Right i get you ! What a tangled web !!!
So theres a marriage into Davis family thru Aunt as far as we can tell ill show all of the details to me Dad tomorrow cant wait he seems think that Ellen was a mason but no one seems to no which one and she was provided for by the Father on phone to him earlier but will ask more tomorrow what weve had found fiorus so far is amazing
Interesting the fact that Noah and Charlotte and maybe few others didnt marry in church was that a usual practice back then in the Forest?

Jotham MASON 1878- 1960

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, January 19, 2024, 19:34 (88 days ago) @ slowhands

son of Noah and Charlotte

Deaths Jun 1960 (>99%)
MASON Jotham 81 Bedwellty 8c 44

Deaths Sep 1932 (>99%)
Mason Brenda L 50 Newport M. 11a 232


1911 45, Cwmtillery West Bank, Abertillery, Bedwellty,
Jonathan Mason Head Married Male 21 1880 Collier (hewer) Westbury, Gloucestershire, England
Brenda Mason Wife Married Female 18 1883 - Westbury, Gloucestershire, England

1901 45, Cwmtillery West Bank, Abertillery, Bedwellty,
Jonathan Mason Head Married Male 21 1880 Collier (hewer) Westbury, Gloucestershire, England
Brenda Mason Wife Married Female 18 1883 - Westbury, Gloucestershire, England


Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
Mason Jothan Bedwelty 11a 124
Miller Brenda Bedwelty 11a 124


First name(s) Jothan
Bride's parish 45 West Side, Cwmtillery
Last name Mason
Groom's parish Upper Levels, Abertillery
Birth year 1879
Bride's father's first name(s) Peter
Marriage year 1900
Bride's father's last name Miller
Marriage day 3
Bride's father's occupation Collier
Marriage month Dec
Groom's father's first name(s) Noah
Place Abertillery, St Michael
Groom's father's last name Mason
Bride's first name(s) Brenda
Groom's father's occupation Collier
Bride's last name Miller
Witnesses Mantrick Cole,Rhoda Miller
Groom's first name(s) Jothan
County Monmouthshire
Groom's last name Mason
Country Wales
Bride's age 18
Record set Gwent Fhs Marriages - Blackwood
Groom's age 21
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Bride's marital status Spinster
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Groom's marital status Bachelor
Collections from Wales, Great Britain
Groom's occupation Collier

Year: 1879
Month: Feb
Day: 9
Parents_Surname: MASON
Child_Forenames: Jotham
Fathers_Forenames: Noah
Mothers_Forenames: Charlotte
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean Hill
Occupation: Coal Miner
Officiating_Minister: Wm Barker Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: Birth registered as Jothan
Register_Reference: PFC109 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 99
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

First name(s) Brenda Louisa
Country England
Last name Miller
Volume 6A
Birth quarter 2
Page 264
Birth year 1882
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name -
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Westbury on Severn
Subcategory Civil Births
County Gloucestershire
Collections from Great Britain, England


Year: 1881
Month: Oct
Day: 2
Grooms_Surname: MILLER
Grooms_Forenames: Peter
Grooms_Age: 27
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Coal Miner
Grooms_Residence: Bilson
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Miller
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: COLE
Brides_Forenames: Rhoda
Brides_Age: 22
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Bilson
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Cole
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Coal Miner
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: James Cole
Witness_2: Elizabeth Cole
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 202
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

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George MASON 1869 - 1888

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, January 19, 2024, 19:54 (88 days ago) @ slowhands

hard to see how this George can be the true Father (!) perhaps he "is in name only" to cover up a illegitimate birth

Surname Given Names Age Year Died District Register Entry
MASON George 19 1888 Westbury on Severn, Newnham 28 182

Deaths Dec 1888 (>99%)
Mason George 19 Westbury S. 6a 149

Year: 1888
Month: Nov
Day: 25
Surname: MASON
Forenames: George
Residence: Brierley
Age_at_death: 19
Officiating_Minister: Ernest W. Hamper Offg Minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/13
Page_No: 28
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1881 Holy Trinity Drybrook area
Benjamin Mason Head Married Male 38 1843 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Milinda Mason Wife Married Female 36 1845 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Eliza Mason Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Ellen Mason Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Alice Mason Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Ernest Mason Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Edwin Mason Son Single Male 2 1879 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Meada Mason Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Lewis Mason Son Single Male 0 1881 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England


Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MASON George DAVIS 1869 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 31 41

Year: 1869
Month: Dec
Day: 8
Parents_Surname: MASON
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Mothers_Forenames: Melenda [sic]
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean Glo[uce]ster[shire]
Occupation: Stone Mason
Officiating_Minister: T[homas] E[plett] Mundy
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [Baptised at] B[ible] C[hristian] Chapel Ruardean
Notes: Duplicate Entry number as found on page 48
Register_Reference: D2598 5/4
Page_Number: 49
Parish_Chapel: Forest of Dean Bible Christian

1861 Brierly
Benjamin Mason Head Widower Male 60 1801 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Son Married Male 24 1837 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Mason Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1840 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Benjamin Mason Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Mason Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1851 Hopers Well in the Grounds, Hawthorns
Benjamin Mason Head Married Male 40 1811 Stone cutter Gloucestershire, England
Catherine Mason Wife Married Female 37 1814 - Hope Mansell, Herefordshire, England
James Mason Son Unmarried Male 15 1836 Coalminer Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Son Unmarried Male 14 1837 Coalminer Gloucestershire, England
Mary Ann Mason Daughter Unmarried Female 11 1840 At home Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Mason Daughter Unmarried Female 6 1845 At home East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Benjamin Mason Son Unmarried Male 9 1842 At home East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
William Jordan Step son Unmarried Male 14 1837 Coalminer Hope Mansell, Herefordshire, England
Elizabeth Jordan Step daughter Unmarried Female 7 1844 Scholar Ross, Herefordshire, England

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George MASON 1837 - 1895

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, January 22, 2024, 16:30 (85 days ago) @ slowhands

but not a coal miner

Year: 1901
Month: Dec
Day: 22
Surname: MASON
Forenames: Rebecca
Residence: Brierly
Age_at_death: 66 years
Officiating_Minister: Edw[ard] Parnell Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/14
Page_No: 8
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
1901 Petty Croft
Rebecca Mason Boarder Widow Female 68 1833 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Year: 1895
Month: May
Day: 10
Surname: MASON
Forenames: George
Residence: Ruardean
Age_at_death: 69 years
Officiating_Minister: Edw[ar]d Parnell Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/13
Page_No: 88
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

1891 Petty Croft Ruardean
George Mason Head Married Male 55 1836 Stone quarry man East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Rebecca Mason Wife Married Female 57 1834 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1881 ruardean area
George Mason Head Married Male 43 1838 Quarry man (s v) East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Rebekeh Mason Wife Married Female 47 1834 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1871 Petty Croft Ruardean
George Mason Head - Male 35 1836 - Gloucestershire, England
Rebecca Mason Wife - Female 37 1834 - Gloucestershire, England
Year: 1860
Month: Jun
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: MASON
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Quarry Man
Grooms_Residence: Lane End
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Mason
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Quarry Man
Brides_Surname: MASON
Brides_Forenames: Rebekah
Brides_Age: 26
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Lane End
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Mason
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: George
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Quarry Man
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: Henry Gunter
Witness_2: Ann Gunter
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: [illegible] Ebsworth
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Incumbent
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/20
Page_Number: 232
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1861 Brierley
Benjamin Mason Head Widower Male 60 1801 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Son Married Male 24 1837 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Mason Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1840 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Benjamin Mason Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Mason Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1861 Brierley
George Mason Head Married Male 58 1803 Journeyman East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Lydia Mason Wife Married Female 58 1803 - Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England
Rebecca Mason Daughter Unmarried Female 27 1834 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Lodger Unmarried Male 25 1836 Journeyman East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

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Edward John JONES 1883 - 1959 Llanelly Brecon

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, January 19, 2024, 15:58 (88 days ago) @ slowhands

Deaths Mar 1959 (>99%)
Jones Edward John 76 Bedwelty 8c 51

1891 Cwmnantgam, Llanelly, Crickhowell,
Miles Jones Head Married Male 44 1847 Coal miner Llanwenarth, Monmouthshire, Wales
Elizabeth Jones Wife Married Female 44 1847 - Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales
Sarah Ann Jones Daughter Single Female 21 1870 - Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales
Miles Jones Son Single Male 16 1875 Coal miner Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales
Mashmay Jones Son - Male 14 1877 Coal miner Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales
Margaret Jones Daughter - Female 9 1882 - Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales
Thomas James Jones Son - Male 5 1886 - Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales
Flore Ann Jones Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales
Sarah Jones Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales
Edward Jones Brother Widower Male 40 1851 Coal miner Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales
John Jones Nephew - Male 8 1883 - -

Births Mar 1883 (>99%)
Jones Edward John Crickhowell 11b 123


1851 Tyle, Llanwenarth Ultra, Abergavenny,
John Jones Head Married Male 33 1818 Coal miner Monmouthshire, Wales
Sarah Jones Wife Married Female 34 1817 - Brecknockshire, Wales
Ann Jones Daughter - Female 11 1840 - Brecknockshire, Wales
John Jones Son - Male 10 1841 - Monmouthshire, Wales
George Jones Son - Male 7 1844 - Llangattock, Breconshire, Wales
Miles Jones Son - Male 3 1848 - Llanwenarth, Monmouthshire, Wales
Edward Jones Son - Male 0 1851 - Llanwenarth, Monmouthshire, Wales

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MASON TIPPINS and deaf dumb clue prior thread

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, January 18, 2024, 17:49 (89 days ago) @ Mac74

Very interesting !! Unfortunately I have not noted the source, but I have Ellen Mason with unmarried partner George Mason 1871, son of Benjamin Mason & Melinda Davies as parents of Florence Evelyn Mason. I was not aware of the marriage to George Tippins. On the 1881 Census George Mason was shown as Deaf & Dumb, as was his 3 sisters. This goes along with Phil's entry :

Noahs Daughter Ellen was my Dads grt Grandmother,it is beleaved Ellen married one of Noahs brothers(Benjamin) sons who was deaf and dumb as were several of their offspring :

1881 Census
Dwelling:
Census Place: (Westbury On Severn) East Dean, Gloucester, England
Source: FHL Film 1341609 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2522 Folio 6 Page 6
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Benjamin MASON M 38 M East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Stone Cutter
Milinda MASON M 36 F East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Wife
Eliza MASON 14 F East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Daur Handicap: Deaf & Dumb
Occ: Scholar
Ellen MASON 12 F East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Daur Handicap: Deaf & Dumb
Occ: Scholar
George MASON 10 M East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Son Handicap: Deaf & Dumb
Occ: Scholar
Alice MASON 8 F East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Ernest MASON 5 M East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Edwin MASON 2 M East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Son
Meada MASON 2 F East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Daur Handicap: Deaf & Dumb
Lewis MASON 5 m M East Dean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Son


Could you possibly post the 1901 & 1911 Census entries you speak of.

George Tippins, George Mason & Ellen Mason above were each 7th cousins twice removed of mine.

Jim Ashton

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Ellen TIPPINS nee MASON 1871 Ruardean -> S Wales

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, January 18, 2024, 17:55 (89 days ago) @ slowhands

1911 1 Clydach Cottage Upper Tenent Cwmtillery, Abertillery, Monmouthshire
George Tippins Head Married Male 46 1865 Collier hewer Forest of Dean
Ellen Tippins Wife Married Female 39 1872 - Forest of Dean
Fred Tippins Son Single Male 23 1888 Collier hewer Forest of Dean
Charlotte Tippins Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Assisting housework Forest of Dean
George Tippins Son Single Male 14 1897 Collier Forest of Dean
Gertie Tippins Daughter Single Female 12 1899 School part time Forest of Dean
Weston Tippins Son Single Male 10 1901 - Forest of Dean
Elsie Tippins Daughter Single Female 4 1907 - Cwmtillery Mon
Jessie Tippins Daughter - Female 2 1909 - Cwmtillery Mon


Plus Frank Olive and Gladys


Marriages Jun 1902 (>99%)
Mason Ellen Bedwelty 11a 167
Tippins George Bedwelty 11a 167


1891 Ruardean Hill
Ellen Mason Servant Single Female 20 1871 Domestic servant general East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1881 Ruardean Hill
Noah Mason Head Married Male 43 1838 Collier East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Charlotte Mason Wife Married Female 39 1842 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Jacob Mason Son Single Male 19 1862 Collier East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Thomas Mason Son Single Male 16 1865 Collier East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Joseph Mason Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Ellen Mason Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Annie Mason Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Jotham Mason Son Single Male 2 1879 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Year: 1871
Month: Jun
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: MASON
Child_Forenames: Ellen
Fathers_Forenames: Noah
Mothers_Forenames: Charlotte
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean Hill
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 95
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook


1871 Ruardean Hill
Noah Mason Head - Male 34 1837 - Gloucestershire, England
Charlotte Mason Wife - Female 28 1843 - Gloucestershire, England
Jacob Mason Son - Male 9 1862 - Gloucestershire, England
Thomas Mason Son - Male 6 1865 - Gloucestershire, England
Elijah Mason Son - Male 2 1869 - Gloucestershire, England

1861 Ruardean Hill
Noah Mason Lodger Married Male 23 1838 Coal miner East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Charlotte Mason Lodger Unmarried Female 19 1842 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Year: 1860
Month: Jun
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: MASON
Grooms_Forenames: Noah
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Parish of East Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: BARNARD
Brides_Forenames: Charlotte
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Parish of East Dean
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Joseph Lander
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: D6026 8/1
Page_Number: 76
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean Congregational

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

George TIPPINS 1865 Ruardean Hill -> S Wales

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, January 18, 2024, 18:04 (89 days ago) @ slowhands

1901 Coedcaeddu, Abertillery, Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Noah Mason Head Married Male 63 1838 Coal miner hewer Gloucestershire, England
Charlotte Mason Wife Married Female 60 1841 - Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Son Single Male 19 1882 Coal miner hewer Gloucestershire, England
Sidney Mason Son - Male 13 1888 Coal miner hewer Gloucestershire, England
Florrie Mason Grand daughter - Female 9 1892 - Gloucestershire, England
Ernest Meek Boarder Single Male 22 1879 Coal miner hewer Gloucestershire, England
George Tippins Visitor Married Male 36 1865 Coal miner hewer Gloucestershire, England
Fredrick Tippins Visitor Single Male 13 1888 Coal miner hewer Gloucestershire, England

1881 Ruardean Hill
Francis Tippings Head Married Male 45 1836 Collier Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Louisa Tippings Wife Married Female 43 1838 - Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England
William Tippings Son Single Male 23 1858 Collier Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England
John Tippings Son Single Male 21 1860 Collier Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England
George Tippings Son Single Male 17 1864 Collier Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England
James Tippings Son Single Male 14 1867 - Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Charlotte Tippings Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Eliza Tippings Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Scholar Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Albert Tippings Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Fredrick Tippings Son Single Male 2 1879 - Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England


1871 Ruardean Hill
Frances Tippins Head - Male 36 1835 - Gloucestershire, England
Loussia Tippins Wife - Female 34 1837 - Gloucestershire, England
William Tippins Son - Male 13 1858 - Gloucestershire, England
John Tippins Son - Male 10 1861 - Gloucestershire, England
George Tippins Son - Male 7 1864 - Gloucestershire, England
James Tippins Son - Male 4 1867 - Gloucestershire, England
Charles Tippins Son - Male 1 1870 - Gloucestershire, England
George Watts Boarder - Male 16 1855 - Gloucestershire, England

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Ellen MASON 1868 Ruardean Woodside ( deaf/dumb from birth)

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, January 18, 2024, 18:14 (89 days ago) @ slowhands

Year: 1897
Month: Feb
Day: 28
Surname: MASON
Forenames: Benjamin
Residence: Brierley
Age_at_death: 55
Officiating_Minister: A.G. Gregor Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/13
Page_No: 106
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook


Year: 1897
Month: Apr
Day: 1
Surname: MASON
Forenames: Melinda
Residence: Brierley
Age_at_death: 54
Officiating_Minister: Arthur G. Gregor Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/13
Page_No: 107
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook


1891 Hawkwell Row Brierley
Ben Mason Head Married Male 47 1844 Stone cutter Brierley, Gloucestershire, England
Malinda Mason Wife Married Female 46 1845 - Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Mason Daughter Single Female 24 1867 - Brierley, Gloucestershire, England
Ernest Mason Son - Male 15 1876 - Brierley, Gloucestershire, England
Edwin Mason Son - Male 13 1878 - Brierley, Gloucestershire, England
Lewis Mason Son - Male 1 1890 - Brierley, Gloucestershire, England


1881
Benjamin Mason Head Married Male 38 1843 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Milinda Mason Wife Married Female 36 1845 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Eliza Mason Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England deaf and dumb from Birth
Ellen Mason Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England deaf and dumb from Birth
George Mason Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England deaf and dumb from Birth
Alice Mason Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Ernest Mason Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Edwin Mason Son Single Male 2 1879 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Meada Mason Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Lewis Mason Son Single Male 0 1881 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1871 Road To East South Works, East Dean, (possible tent dweller)
Benjamin Mason Head - Male 27 1844 - Brierly Gloucestershire, England
Malenda Mason Wife - Female 26 1845 - Gloucestershire, England
Eliza Mason Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Gloucestershire, England
Ellen Mason Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Son - Male 1 1870 - Gloucestershire, England


Year: 1868
Month: Mar
Day: 13
Parents_Surname: MASON
Child_Forenames: Ellen
Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Mothers_Forenames: Melenda [sic]
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean Woodside East Dean Gloucester[shire]
Occupation: Mason
Officiating_Minister: James Barnden
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [Baptised at] Bible Xian [sic] Chapel Ruardean
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 5/4
Page_Number: 32
Parish_Chapel: Forest of Dean Bible Christian

Year: 1865
Month: Nov
Day: 12
Grooms_Surname: MASON
Grooms_Forenames: Benjamin
Grooms_Age: of age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Mason
Grooms_Residence: Aston Ingham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Mason
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Master Mason
Brides_Surname: DAVIS
Brides_Forenames: Melinda
Brides_Age: of age
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Aston Ingham
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Davis
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: [not stated]
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: Elizabeth Aubrey
Witness_2: Thomas Aubrey
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Hy L Whatley
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AR90/7
Page_Number: 103
Parish_Chapel: Aston Ingham

1861 Brierly ( near Ruardean Woodside/Hill)
Benjamin Mason Head Widower Male 60 1801 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Son Married Male 24 1837 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Mason Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1840 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Benjamin Mason Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Stone cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Mason Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Ellen MASON 1868 Ruardean Woodside ( deaf/dumb from birth)

by Mac74, Friday, January 19, 2024, 09:24 (88 days ago) @ slowhands

Good Mornin All and Wow!
Thanks for everyones look ups thats amazin just avin me mornin coffee and roll up and takin it all in ????????
Just got off phone to me Dad and give him brief outline whats been kindly discovered on our behalf i mention The Davis connection and he said he can just bout remembee the names Davis and Fletcher? Visting South Wales in the summers as a kid and thinks one of them or both were travellers? First id heard of a Davis family off to show him the findings on saturday hes over moon!
Amazing how family history can reveal itself years after its laid un found????

Austin FLETCHER 1873 -1956 and Family Hawkers Cinderford

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, January 19, 2024, 10:37 (88 days ago) @ Mac74

Yes FLETCHER ( BUTLER and SMITH) are Forest Hawker/Romany/Gypsy families ( and very difficult to track on the Census data) - I suspect they were living on the roadside or in the Forest and the Enumerators "missed" them example :-


Deaths Jun 1956 (>99%)
FLETCHER Austin 82 Gloucester R. 7b 425

Deaths Sep 1953 (>99%)
FLETCHER Austin 56 F.of Dean 7b 306

Year: 1953
Month: Aug
Day: 13
Surname: FLETCHER
Forenames: Austin
Residence: Dilke Hospital ( 7 Barn Hill Broadwell Coleford
Age_at_death: 56 years
Officiating_Minister: H.Bryden Vicar of Christchurch
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: new grave Canon row
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/17
Page_No: 62
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Marriages Mar 1944 (>99%)
FLETCHER Austin Harris F.of Dean 6a 570
HARRIS Ruth Fletcher F.of Dean 6a 570


1939 Broadwell
Austin Fletcher 20 Jun 1873 Male Colliery Hewer - Unemployed Married 141 1
Bertha Fletcher 16 Jun 1876 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 141 2
William George Holland 17 Jun 1915 Male Colliery Road Repairer Single 141 3
Rosina Fletcher 05 Nov 1920 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 141 4
Elizabeth Shuck (Yandle,Fletcher) 01 Oct 1922 Female Factory Worker Tin Lad Married 141 5

Year: 1929
Month: Mar
Day: 13
Grooms_Surname: FLETCHER
Grooms_Forenames: Austin
Grooms_Age: 62
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Gorsty Knoll Coleford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: FLETCHER
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Eli
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Tinman
Brides_Surname: SHIPMAN
Brides_Forenames: Bertha
Brides_Age: 52
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Gorsty Knoll Coleford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: SHIPMAN
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Maltster (deceased)
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: See Note
Witness_1: Henry Fletcher
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: C Herbert M Fassion Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: It is unclear whether Austn signs as there is a cross after his name as there is after the witnesses name. The writing appears to be the same as entries on the certificate. Bertha does sign
Register_Reference: P93/1 IN 1/13
Page_Number: 113
Parish_Chapel: Coleford

1921 in West Dean
Austin Bertha Leah Austin and one other

1911 Milkwall
Austin Fletcher Head Married Male 37 1874 Licensed hawker Glos Moseley Green
Evelyn Fletcher Wife Married Female 33 1878 - Glos Gloucester
Henry Fletcher Son - Male 14 1897 Hawkers labourer Glos Cinderford
Emily Fletcher Daughter - Female 12 1899 School Glos Cinderford
Austin Fletcher Son - Male 10 1901 School Glos Cinderford
John Fletcher Son - Male 9 1902 - Glos Cinderford
Leah Fletcher Daughter - Female 8 1903 - Glos Cinderford
Alfred Fletcher Son - Male 6 1905 - Glos Cinderford

Year 1900
Month May
Day 27
Parents Surname FLETCHER
Child Forenames Johnny
Fathers Forenames Austin
Mothers Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers Surname Butler
Residence East Dean
Occupation Hawker
Officiating Minister E Cargill
Event Baptism
Memoranda Illegitimate
Notes
Register Reference
Page Number 8
Parish Chapel Abenhall


Year: 1897
Month: Feb
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: FLETCHER
Child_Forenames: Austin Butler
Fathers_Forenames: Austin
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Greenbottom
Occupation: Tin worker
Officiating_Minister: Th[oma]s Longstaff
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/2IN 1/1
Page_Number: 84
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen

Year: 1922
Month: Apr
Day: 17
Surname: FLETCHER
Forenames: Eli
Residence: Yorkley Wood
Age_at_death: 85
Officiating_Minister: D.J.Banham (Vicar)
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/30
Page_No: 173
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1901 Two Bridges / Ayleford towards Blakeney Hill/Newhnam
Eli Fletcher Head Married Male 55 1846 Tinware maker Not Known
Sarah Fletcher Wife Married Female 50 1851 - Not Known
James Fletcher Son Single Male 23 1878 Tinware maker East Dean,
Charles Fletcher Son Single Male 21 1880 Tinware maker Monmouthshire, Wales
Sarah Fletcher Daughter Single Female 19 1882 - East Dean,
Samuel Fletcher Son Single Male 18 1883 Tinware maker East Dean,
Celia Fletcher Daughter Single Female 15 1886 - East Dean,
Mary Ann Fletcher Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - East Dean,
William Fletcher Son Single Male 11 1890 - East Dean,
William Fletcher Son Single Male 9 1892 - East Dean,

1891 Churchway, ( nr Hollyhill Wood/Steam Mills and Crump Meadow a group of families Basket makers/Hawkers near by)
Eli Fletcher Head Married Male 43 1848 Tin ware maker London, Middlesex,
Clara Fletcher Wife Married Female 40 1851 - Shropshire,
Eli Fletcher Son Single Male 22 1869 General labourer Lydney, ,
Letitia Fletcher Daughter - Female 17 1874 - East Dean, ,
Elizabeth Fletcher Daughter - Female 15 1876 - East Dean,
Sarah Fletcher Daughter - Female 12 1879 - East Dean,
James Fletcher Son - Male 11 1880 - East Dean,
Charles Fletcher Son - Male 9 1882 - East Dean,
Samuel Fletcher Son - Male 7 1884 - East Dean,
Cecilia Fletcher Daughter - Female 6 1885 - East Dean,
Mary Ann Fletcher Daughter - Female 3 1888 - East Dean,
Alice Fletcher Daughter - Female 0 1891 - East Dean,

1881 Gypsy Tent Moseley West Dean
Eli Fletcher abt 1847 London, London, Middlesex, England Head West Dean Tin Plate worker
Sarah Fletcher abt 1851 Hanway, Shropshire, England Wife West Dean
Eli Fletcher abt 1872 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean
Elizabeth Fletcher abt 1878 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean
Emily Fletcher abt 1868 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean
Hootin [AOSTIN] Fletcher abt 1874 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean
Jami Fletcher abt 1880 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean
Leticia Fletcher abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean
Sarah Fletcher abt 1880 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean

1881 Gypsy Tent Moseley West Dean
Charles Davis Head Single Male 44 1837 Tin plate worker West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Leticia Davis Sister Single Female 40 1841 - Hereford, Herefordshire, England

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Bertha SHIPMAN 1877 West Bromwich

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, January 19, 2024, 12:14 (88 days ago) @ slowhands

1891 Montpellier Cottages, Montpellier Road, South Hamlet, Gloucester,
Thomas Shipman Head Married Male 29 1862 Labourer in maltings Barston, Warwickshire, England
Letitia H Shipman Wife Married Female 23 1868 - Gloucestershire, England
Joseph T Shipman Son - Male 3 1888 - All Saints, Gloucestershire, England
Alice May Shipman Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Christchurch, Gloucestershire, England
Bertha Shipman Visitor sister Single Female 14 1877 - West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England

1881 Wesley Place, 5, Park Road, Gloucester
Joseph Shipman Head Married Male 57 1824 Maltster Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Sarah Shipman Wife Married Female 47 1834 - Barston, Warwickshire, England
James J Shipman Son Single Male 23 1858 Maltster Barston, Warwickshire, England
Thomas Shipman Son Single Male 20 1861 Maltster Barston, Warwickshire, England
Augusta Shipman Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Scholar Barston, Warwickshire, England
Annie Shipman Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Scholar Barston, Warwickshire, England
Joseph Shipman Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Berkswell, Warwickshire, England
Bertha Shipman Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England

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Eli FLETCHER 1870 -1936 Hawker FoD / Crump Meadow

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, January 19, 2024, 14:52 (88 days ago) @ slowhands

Year: 1936
Month: Nov
Day: 21
Surname: FLETCHER
Forenames: Eli
Residence: Crump Meadow
Age_at_death: 67
Officiating_Minister: Tom T Haines Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/15
Page_No: 199
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

1921 Eli, Maria, Georgina and 6 others

further offspring ?
Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Fletcher Sophia Smith Westbury S. 6a 477
Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
FLETCHER Walter Smith Westbury S. 6a 489
Births Sep 1919 (>99%)
Fletcher Samuel C Smith Westbury S. 6a 442
Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
Fletcher John Smith Westbury S. 5a 568
Fletcher Thomas Smith Westbury S. 6a 568
Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
Fletcher Eli Smith Westbury S. 6a 472

1911 Gypsy Tent, Milkwall Near Coleford
Eli Fletcher Head Married Male 40 1871 Licensed hawker Lydney Glos
Maria Fletcher Wife Married Female 36 1875 - Northhampton Warwickshire
Maria Fletcher Daughter - Female 14 1897 No occupation Redbrook Glo
Eli Fletcher Son - Male 10 1901 No occupation Cinderford Glos
Ednley Fletcher Daughter - Female 6 1905 - Primrose Hill Lydney Glo
James Henry Fletcher Son - Male 3 1908 - Mon Monmouthshire
Linda Fletcher Daughter - Female 1 1910 - Cinderford Glos

I believe that Maria is a SMITH
FLETCHER Linda SMITH 1910 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean

1901 The Branch nr Steam Mills
Eli Fletcher Head Single Male 36 1865 Coal miner banksman Gloucestershire, England
Maria Fletcher House keeper Single Female 25 1876 Hawker Northamptonshire, England
Georgina Fletcher Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England
Elia Fletcher Son Single Male 0 1901 - Steam Mills, Gloucestershire, England

1881 Gypsy Tent Moseley West Dean
Eli Fletcher abt 1847 London, London, Middlesex, England Head West Dean Tin Plate worker
Sarah Fletcher abt 1851 Hanway, Shropshire, England Wife West Dean
Eli Fletcher abt 1872 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean
Elizabeth Fletcher abt 1878 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean
Emily Fletcher abt 1868 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean
Hootin [AOSTIN] Fletcher abt 1874 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean
Jami Fletcher abt 1880 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean
Leticia Fletcher abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean
Sarah Fletcher abt 1880 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Melinda DAVIS 1844 Ruardean Woodside

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, January 19, 2024, 10:19 (88 days ago) @ slowhands

1851 Ruardean Woodside
Phoebe Davis Head Widow Female 49 1802 Labourer East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
William Davis Son Unmarried Male 21 1830 Coal miner East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Ellen Davis Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1837 Daur East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Edwin Davis Son Unmarried Male 12 1839 Son East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Eliza Davis Daughter Unmarried Female 9 1842 Daur East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Melinda Davis Daughter Unmarried Female 7 1844 Daur East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Emanuel Gardiner Lodger Unmarried Male 22 1829 Coal miner Wales

Year: 1844
Month: Jan
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: DAVIS
Child_Forenames: Belinda
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Phoebe
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean Woodside
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: J. Chell
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 44
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1841 Newmans Bottom
William Davis Male 40 1801 Gloucestershire, England collier
Feby Davis Female 40 1801 Gloucestershire, England
George Davis Male 15 1826 Gloucestershire, England
Jane Davis Female 13 1828 -
William Davis Male 10 1831 -
Abia Davis Female 9 1832 -
Elizabeth Davis Female 6 1835 -
Elin Davis Female 4 1837 -
Edwin Davis Male 2 1839

probable
Year: 1821
Month: Oct
Day: 10
Grooms_Surname: DAVIS
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St. Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: COOKCY
Brides_Forenames: Phoebe
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St. Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Rich[ar]d Lowe
Witness_2: Mark of Anne Jordan
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John Newport Officiating Minister
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 18
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

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Melinda DAVIS 1844 Ruardean Woodside

by Mac74, Friday, January 19, 2024, 11:44 (88 days ago) @ slowhands

Thanks again ill make note to mention Fletchers to me Dad ????im goin down load map of Forest today so i can look up said areas woodside , ruardean hill etc as never been to Forest (Yet definately this Year!) so maybe link thru Davis to Davis Gypsies from fod is lookin likely hopefully me Dads memory might get a jog????side note inyeresting to see Romany families working in mines even tho not a Traditional Gypsy trade so many wouldnt ever see a connection ive seen on census Boswells and Hearnes living in camps in notth east 1800s but listed as coal miners which proves like i thought many took regular graft-but still lived the traveller life for a better word
Now at least i can trace Davis family frm Melindas side can anyone recomend any sites that may contain pics of any Masons Davis Fletcher familes from forst or of areas in forest they of stayed by any chance?

George TIPPINS and Ellen MASON marriage

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Saturday, January 20, 2024, 09:13 (87 days ago) @ Mac74

1911 1 Clydach Cottage Upper Tenent Cwmtillery, Abertillery, Monmouthshire
George Tippins Head Married Male 46 1865 Collier hewer Forest of Dean
Ellen Tippins Wife Married Female 39 1872 - Forest of Dean
Fred Tippins Son Single Male 23 1888 Collier hewer Forest of Dean
Charlotte Tippins Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Assisting housework Forest of Dean
George Tippins Son Single Male 14 1897 Collier Forest of Dean
Gertie Tippins Daughter Single Female 12 1899 School part time Forest of Dean
Weston Tippins Son Single Male 10 1901 - Forest of Dean
Elsie Tippins Daughter Single Female 4 1907 - Cwmtillery Mon
Jessie Tippins Daughter - Female 2 1909 - Cwmtillery Mon


George marries Ellen Mason, daughter of Noah, in 1902 Llanfair, Bedwelty.

First name(s) George
Spouse's age 30
Last name Tippins
Spouse's birth year 1872
Age 37
Spouse's father's last name Mason
Birth year 1865
Spouse's father's first name(s) Noah
Event year 1902
County Monmouthshire
Banns year -
Country Wales
Marriage year 1902
Event Marriage
Marriage date 22 Apr 1902
Page 127
Marriage place Llanfair
Record set Monmouthshire Marriages And Banns
Father's first name(s) Francis
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's last name Tippins
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Spouse's first name(s) Ellen
Collections from Wales, Great Britain
Spouse's last name Mason


witnesses Jotham and Brenda MASON (again)


George Tippins 1865 and son Fred were visiting Noah Mason in 1901, George's spouse Rhoda Meek having died 1890.

She already had children Charlotte, George, Gertrude and Weston, by unknown partner/s, but they were being "provided for by father of children" (1901 census).

1901 Ruardean Hill
Ellen Mason Head Single Female 29 1872 Domestic East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Charlotte Mason Daughter - Female 7 1894 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
George Mason Son - Male 5 1896 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Gertrude Mason Daughter - Female 3 1898 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Weston Mason Son - Male 0 1901 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MASON Weston Hartley 1900 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 8 210


Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MASON Gertrude Ellen 1898 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 6 308

Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MASON George 1896 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 4 239

Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MASON Charlotte Annie 1894 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 2 186

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George TIPPINS and Ellen MASON marriage

by Mac74, Friday, January 26, 2024, 14:32 (81 days ago) @ slowhands

Quick update!
Just like to say i showed my Dad all the stuff and records that was kindly found out about his Mason line hes so thankful and would like to say thankyou on his behalf i got the job of trying to put it in order for him
As far as the Davis Family who has Sarah Davis ( Fletcher Eli Fletcher being her husband) has her Davis line been traced i notice an article on her death as Queen of Forest And wondering if she in any way links to Melinda Davis Benjamin Mason?
Nearly forgot to say me Dad was told Ellens Father wasnt Noah but Benjamins but it was hussed up or not even worried about!
Should i post new topic on Sarahs Line regarding any link to Melinda?
Thanks again great work by all

candidate for Sarah FLETCHER nee DAVIS c1851

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, January 26, 2024, 16:53 (81 days ago) @ Mac74

Sarah born in the Hereford/Shropshire borders between Leominsier and Ludlow
Probably brought up by Aunt Letitia

1861 Tent in Tidenham !
Letitia Davies abt 1833 Herefordshire, England Head Tidenham Gloucestershire tin carrier
Charles Davies abt 1836 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Brother Tidenham Gloucestershire tin plate worker
Sarah Davies abt 1851 Richards Castle, Shropshire, England Niece Tidenham Gloucestershire tin carrier

1881 Gypsy Tent Moseley (Green)
Charles Davis abt 1837 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire tin plate worker
Leticia Davis abt 1841 Hereford, England Sister West Dean Gloucestershire

1881 Gypsy Tent Moseley area
Eli Fletcher Head Married Male 34 1847 Tin plate worker City of London, Middlesex, England
Sarah Fletcher Wife Married Female 30 1851 - Shropshire, England
Emily Fletcher Daughter Single Female 13 1868 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Eli Fletcher Son Single Male 9 1872 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Hootin Fletcher Son Single Male 7 1874 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Leticia Fletcher Daughter Single Female 5 1876 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Fletcher Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Jami Fletcher Son Single Male 1 1880 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Fletcher Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

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candidate for Sarah DAVIS c1851

by Mac74, Friday, January 26, 2024, 17:17 (81 days ago) @ slowhands

Ive done a little bit research today thats right for Sarahs parents Leticia seems to be used a lot by look of records ive seen linege of Sarah and huband Eli Fletchers on this site but cant find any more on her siblings ie sisters to see if Meranda ties in ?

candidate for Sarah DAVIS c1851

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, January 26, 2024, 17:50 (81 days ago) @ Mac74

Melinda's family seem settled in the Forest, Sarah seems to have travelled in from the Hereford/\shropshire borders nr Ludlow.

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candidate for Sarah DAVIS c1851

by Mac74, Friday, January 26, 2024, 23:43 (81 days ago) @ slowhands

So the Melinda Davis family is who i need to trace ? The info on Benjamin and melinda poss tent dwellers maybe link to Sarah or family as faras i can see Sarahs brother Charles was born westdean and her Father was from Lyndham forest of dean ?many of the families of travellers seem to ave never left the forest some uo to 100 years on census? So the links provided to Fletchers Davis on thread are nothingto do with the post the. Seems lot of effort if theres no link confused to say least it does seem me Dad heard right as a kid in South Wales Florence was indeed illigimate daughter of George brought up by Noah George links to Melinda and Benjamin Ellen is indeed illigimate as for Miranda it seems im tracing wrong Davis due to fletcher davis posts that were provided for no reason i need to reread thru topic and see parents for Mirand aand see any or if any tie on from an ancestor of families from FOD whos never been to the forest or tried tracing family they didnt make it easy down there im more confused then Scooby Doo

connections

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, January 28, 2024, 19:40 (79 days ago) @ Mac74

so I guess it would be useful to attempt to draw out a chart (s) to show the various connections esp where the FLETCHER and DAVIS, and MASON lines mingle etc.

from experience helping trace gypsy roots has been frustrated by enumerators who either failed or simply missed some families living in tents in the Forest - this seems especially true in the early censuses.

often searching by trade such as Tin plate worker, basket maker, chair maker, tinker etc can uncover related groups of travelling folk. There are groups who appear to settle in the area - based on where they are on Census day and then places of birth for the off spring. and then others who roam far and wide, Gloucestershire, Northamptonshire, Somerset, Herefordshire etc.

all we try to do here is assist where we can with evidence, and offer experience and possible directions to explore, perhaps " based on what we find, it feels like". Sometimes the tree/branches are clear, and then they can be confusing !

we are human, we make mistakes, but on the whole the results speak for themselves

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George TIPPINS and Ellen MASON marriage

by Arrowhead @, Tuesday, February 06, 2024, 21:13 (70 days ago) @ Mac74

Never seen any connection to Masons and Sarah Davis never had a brother or sister as far as I'm aware.

Sarah's parentage is confusing as census states she was daughter of Charles Davis (b. Lydney) and after her death her eldest daughter, Emily, reports in a newspaper article that Letitia Davis and John Preddy.

Letitia and Charles were the children of Austin Davis and Sarah Greenwood of Great Wolford Warwickshire and were a widespread Romany family as are the Fletchers. Sarah's death was widely reported in newspapers and she was recognised in the forest as a well respected healer using plants from the forest.

I have extensive research on both Davis and Fletcher. There are a few gaps so don't claim to know everything but not come across a lot of the names in this thread or found any links in my tree.

George TIPPINS and Ellen MASON marriage

by Mac74, Monday, February 26, 2024, 13:31 (50 days ago) @ Arrowhead

No drama i appreciate everyone look ups and time ill keep popping in to see if anyone mentions my Davis Mason Tippins Baldwin Saunders families from the forest! All interesting stuff especially me Masons carry ons! Thanks again

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