Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Richard HATTON & Eliza MORSE

Richard HATTON & Eliza MORSE (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 02 Nov 2013 14:45:57 +0000

Hi Chris, yes a good puzzle there !

I should have thought last night, have you searched the Glos Archives "Non conformists" database at all, maybe find some of your Baptisms in there ?

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Search.aspx

Richard HATTON & Family, Viney Hill Chapel (reply)

Jefff — Sat, 02 Nov 2013 14:36:53 +0000

Thanks Carol, a good team job allround I think.
Checking this site's PRs I see that many Hattons are buried at Viney Hill, including I think most if not all of Richard's family including wife Eliza.

Record_ID: 301686
Entry_Number: 158
Year: 1923
Month: Mar
Day: 29
Surname: HATTON
Forenames: Eliza
Residence: Yorkley Near Lydney
Age_at_death: 68
Officiating_Minister: C R Williams Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: States 1923 not sure if this is correct
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/18
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill
Soundex: H350

Record_ID: 82727
Entry_Number: 155
Year: 1899
Month: July
Day: 20
Surname: HATTON
Forenames: Francis Richard
Residence: Yorkley
Age_at_death: 49
Officiating_Minister: E.S.Smith
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: Grave No. 108
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/6
Page_No: 39
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill
Soundex: H350

Record_ID: 83079
Entry_Number: 504
Year: 1912
Month: May
Day: 26
Surname: HATTON
Forenames: Kate
Residence: Sunnyside
Age_at_death: 27
Officiating_Minister: J.K.Chatfield
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Grave No. 619b
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/6
Page_No: 108
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill
Soundex: H350

Record_ID: 284971
Entry_Number:
Year: 1939
Month: Jul
Day: 21
Surname: HATTON
Forenames: Stanley
Residence: Hurt Court Badgeworth
Age_at_death: 52
Officiating_Minister: C R Williams vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/19
Page_No: 7
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill
Soundex: H350

Record_ID: 285185
Entry_Number:
Year: 1947
Month: Oct
Day: 1
Surname: HATTON
Forenames: Albert
Residence: 35 Allastone Rd Lydney
Age_at_death: 58
Officiating_Minister: C R Williams vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/19
Page_No: 34
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill
Soundex: H350

Record_ID: 285553
Entry_Number:
Year: 1961
Month: Dec
Day: 23
Surname: HATTON
Forenames: Harry
Residence: Parkend Rd Yorkley
Age_at_death: 70
Officiating_Minister: Alec J Smith
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/19
Page_No: 80
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill
Soundex: H350

Record_ID: 285621
Entry_Number:
Year: 1965
Month: May
Day: 4
Surname: HATTON
Forenames: Frank
Residence: Yew Tree Cott Yorkley
Age_at_death: 69
Officiating_Minister: S Crawley
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/19
Page_No: 88
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill
Soundex: H350

Record_ID: 82704
Entry_Number: 132
Year: 1899
Month: Jan
Day: 6
Surname: HATTON
Forenames: Richard
Residence: Yorkley
Age_at_death: 1
Officiating_Minister: E.S.Smith
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: Grave No. 619B
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/6
Page_No: 33
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill
Soundex: H350

Richard HATTON & Eliza MORSE (reply)

ChrisW — Sat, 02 Nov 2013 14:28:34 +0000

Many Thanks to all of you!

The Morse's were Non Conformists which is probably why you won't find any baptisms. I must admit I did not think to look on GlosBMD as I felt sure they must have moved away.

Richard using various names got me stumped there!

Thanks again - off to update my tree now.

Kind Regards
Chris

Richard HATTON & Eliza MORSE (reply)

winky — Sat, 02 Nov 2013 08:21:05 +0000

Richard was known as the names Richard/Frank/Francis and was buried under the name of Francis Richard Hatton at Viney Hill on 20.07.1899 given age 49.

He was the son of Richard and Mary Ann, Richard being the son of Richard Hatton and Anne James.

Best wishes Carol

Richard HATTON & Eliza MORSE (reply)

Paul Andrews — Sat, 02 Nov 2013 00:33:28 +0000

1891 England Census
Yorkley
West Dean

RG12/4338; Folio: 126; Page: 15; GSU Roll: 6099448

Frank Hatton - Head - M - 40 - Coal Miner - Glos, West Dean
Eliza Hatton - Wife - M - 36 - Glos, West Dean
Minnie Hatton - Daur - 6 - Glos, West Dean
Bessie Hatton - Daur - 7 - Glos, West Dean
Stanley Hatton - Son - 4 - Glos, West Dean
Albert Hatton - Son - 1 - Glos, West Dean

Transcribed by Ancestry as Hallan.

Richard HATTON & Eliza MORSE (reply)

MPGriffiths — Fri, 01 Nov 2013 23:09:09 +0000

1911 Census,
Sunnyside
Yorkley
Nr Lydney - living in 6 rooms

HATTON

Eliza - 56 - Widow - 10 children born alive, 9 living , 1 dead - all born Yorkley Glos
Minnie - 25
Stanley - 24 - Haulier
Albert - 21 - Crown labourer
Harry - 19 Coal Miner
Annie - 18
Frank - 14 - farm labourer carrying milk?

1901 Census, Yorkley

HATTON

Eliza - 46 - Widow
Bessie - 17
Minnie - 15
Stanley - 14
Albert - 11
Harry - 9
Annie - 8
Eliza - 6
Frank - 4

Richard HATTON & Eliza MORSE (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 01 Nov 2013 22:39:06 +0000

Hi Chris,
I cannot see Richard's Baptism c1850 in FoD records, or the witness Susan Hatton (his mother?) either for sure. Do you have any other leads please ?

From GlosBMD:

Birth Details

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
HATTON Richard Francis HATTON HATTON THOMAS 1850 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 7 198

Searching for Hatton?Morse births in GlosBMD give the following, altho of course they may NOT be yours, however these are the ONLY ones in their whole county database and the dates & Office Location fit the marriage nicely.

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
HATTON Bessie, HATTON HATTON MORSE 1883 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 41 198
HATTON Kate, HATTON HATTON MORSE 1884 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 42 190
HATTON Minnie, HATTON HATTON MORSE 1885 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 43 180
HATTON Stanley, HATTON HATTON MORSE 1886 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 44 184
HATTON Albert, HATTON HATTON MORSE 1889 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 46 435
HATTON Harry, HATTON HATTON MORSE 1891 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 48 164
HATTON Annie, HATTON HATTON MORSE 1893 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 50 59
HATTON Eliza, HATTON HATTON MORSE 1894 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 52 8
HATTON Frank, HATTON HATTON MORSE 1896 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 53 116
HATTON Richard, HATTON HATTON MORSE 1898 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 54 439

I'm struggling to find any of these Baptisms in FoD PRs.
However it suggests there should be some of these still in the area in the 1891 Census, have you searched the WALES Census too ?

Searching this forum gives this prior thread wrt another Richard Hatton and a Sarah (note the above named witness!). This thread is a tangled one !
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=1607

Given the apparent "casual" nature of the family within this prior thread, and the apparent reluctance of your couple to Baptise their Children, I do wonder if your couple and those in this prior thread are linked quite closely...

???

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Pre marriage Richard and his father Richard may be found in the 1861 Census for Yorkley, judging from this site's Census search page. Sorry but I dont know with certainty how to compile their exact Household from the 28 Hattons resident in 1861 Yorkley;
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/index.php/census-search

I think this is a household group ?
1861 Census, Yorkley
Surname First Name Age Place Box Piece Folio Schedule
HATTON Charlotte 13 Yorkley 15 3981 79 36
HATTON Henry 5 Yorkley 15 3981 79 36
HATTON John 3 Yorkley 15 3981 79 36
HATTON Mary Ann 35 Yorkley 15 3981 79 36
HATTON Richard 37 Yorkley 15 3981 79 36
HATTON Richard 11 Yorkley 15 3981 79 36
HATTON Ruth 8 Yorkley 15 3981 79 36
HATTON Susan 1 Yorkley 15 3981 79 36

Also on LDS / Family Search;

"England and Wales Census, 1861"
Name: Richard Hatton
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: West Dean, Gloucestershire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub-District: 1 Coleford
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Pauls
Parish: West Dean
Residence County: Monmouthshire

Which FINALLY gives, also from LDS:

"England and Wales Census, 1881"

Name: Frank Hatton
Age (Original): 30
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1851
Birthplace: West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Coal Miner
Address: St Johns
Event Place: East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341609
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 2523 / 54
Page Number: 11
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Richard Hatton M 53 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England (a "general labourer")
Wife Mary Ann Hatton F 55 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
Son Frank Hatton M 30 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England (a "coal miner")
Son John Hatton M 23 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England (a "general labourer")
Daughter Susan Hatton F 21 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Grand Son Frank Smith M 3 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Which ties in nicely with 1861 above.

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Similarly Eliza seems hard to find wrt her Baptism, is this her Birth from GlosBMD ?

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MORSE Eliza MORSE MORSE MORSE 1854 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 10 334

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From FreeBMD I think this maybe your Richard, perhaps explaining why he's hard to find in the later Census ??

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
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Deaths Sep 1899 (>99%)
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Hatton Francis Richard 49 Monmouth 11a 12

I hope this helps a little, sorry I don't have full access to the subscription Census sites.

Richard HATTON & Eliza MORSE

ChrisW — Fri, 01 Nov 2013 21:15:35 +0000

Is anybody looking for something to do?!

Eliza Morse was my ancestor (b1854 Yorkley). She married Richard Francis Hatton (bc1850) in 1881, but I cannot find them on any census after that.

Here is the marriage for reference:

Transcript Details

Record_ID: 15124
Entry_Number: 415
Year: 1881
Month: Sep
Day: 20
Grooms_Surname: HATTON
Grooms_Forenames: Richard Francis
Grooms_Age: 31
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: Yew Tree Bake
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Hatton
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: MORSE
Brides_Forenames: Eliza
Brides_Age: 27
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Yorkley
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Morse
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Isaac
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Haulier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Isaac Morse
Witness_2: Susan Hatton
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Jo[hn] Jo[seph] Elsworth Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/21
Page_Number: 208
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex_Groom: H350
Soundex_Bride: M620

I would be grateful if someone else has better luck than me!

Regards
Chris