Marion Hale (White ?) 1896? - 1911 (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Wednesday, May 09, 2012, 04:44 (4577 days ago) @ Jefff

Conclusion re my above search:
Despite thoroughly searching the FoD site PRs for several spelling variations of Hale(& White) I cannot provide a full Birth/Baptism Record, sorry ! Even using advanced search for all Baptisms abt 1897 has found nothing. I wonder if she was born further across the border into Monmouthshire so out of the FoD PRs area ...?.

I have also started searching some of the Baptism Records listed within this Monmouthshire site, however there are more records than I have the time to search, sorry. Please feel free to search them yourself if you feel it may be worthwhile.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/monmouthshire-opc.htm

ALTERNATIVELY is it possible her true father was actually a WHITE not a Hale, not that I can find any such PRs on FoD or FreeBMD to confirm this... I'm still confused by your mentioning the possible surname of White, plus the appearance of witness White at her marriage. ?

Please Karen if possible can you clarify wrt the surnames.

Please also advise why you think Marian was born in 1897, or is late 1896 possible as I favor. Was 1897 a Census derived date or do you have firmer evidence ?. Unfortunately I only have the LDS site for Census information, and despite my best efforts cannot find her or even father Benjamin either sides of the border !
I'm surprised I cannot find Benjamin, why ?.

Wrt her birthdate and locality this is probably the nearest I found; quite possibly suffering from the "usual" transcription errors althought it seems that Marin is quite a popular name Stateside at least according to LDS ??!!

Name: Marin H White
Event: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender:
Age: 4
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Newland Parish, Gloucestershire
Record Type: Household
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub-district: Coleford
Ecclesiastical Parish: St John
Civil Parish: Colesford (Gloucs)
County: Monmouthshire

Trying again searching LDS for mother Sarah Ann LITTLE b1864, could this be her ?:

Name: Sarah A Little
Age: 17
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1864
Birthplace: Forest Of Dean, Gloucestershire, Wales
Relationship to Head of Household: Servant
Marital Condition: Single
Profession/Occupation: General Serv
Address: Cinderhill
Census Place: Ruardean (Gloucs), Herefordshire, Wales
Disability:
Record Type: Household
Family History Library Film: 1341623
The National Archives Reference: RG11
Piece/Folio: 2586 / 74
Page Number: 32

Household Gender Age
Thomas Lerrett M 33
Sarah E J Lerrett F 33
Francis S Fisher M 39
Francis Fisher M 21
Emily Jones F 30
Sarah A Little F 17

Unfortunately thats all I can find, if you or anyone else have other Census data please share them with me and put me out of my quizzical misery, many thanks.

LATER EDIT:
Re-searching this great Forum I find the following related prior thread, thanks Slowhands !

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=33902

He shows the following households, so clearly there was a family surname change from HALE to HALE-WHITE sometime between the 1891 and 1901 Census's:

1891
Benjamin Hale abt 1862 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah A Hale abt 1864 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ethel M Hale abt 1886 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Bert Hale abt 1888 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Benjamin Hale abt 1890 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1901
Benjamin H White abt 1862 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Gloucestershire
Sarah H White abt 1864 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife Coleford, Gloucestershire
Birt H White abt 1888 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford, Gloucestershire
Ben H White abt 1890 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford, Gloucestershire
Lilian H White abt 1893 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford, Gloucestershire
John H White abt 1895 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford, Gloucestershire
Maria H White abt 1897 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford, Gloucestershire
Bessie H White abt 1900 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford, Gloucestershire

1901 ?
Ethel White abt 1886 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Servant Lydney, Monmouthshire

AND CLEARLY (penny finally drops!) the LDS 1901 Census return posted above for Marin H White is indeed our MariA H(ale)White, why didnt I spot that when I read it..?.

RE-Re searching the FoD PRs for Hale White as a surname, gives following PR:

Record_ID: 170550
Entry_Number: 2398
Year: 1916
Month: Jan
Day: 20
Surname: HALE WHITE
Forenames: Benjamin (Hale)
Residence: Collier
Age_at_death: 26
Officiating_Minister: E H Brice
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) London Hospital (2) South Div[ision] : Adults Gr[ave] (3) M 13 (4) Consecrated (5) London
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25 / 204 / 30
Page_No: 19
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery
Soundex: H430

Being the brother of Maria, died young presumably in mining accident as buried in Coleford or perhaps as WW1 invalid (London Hospital note ??) (Cannot find him in the Inquests section).

This is the only "Hale White" in the FoD site PRs, I think. Probably..
Disappointed I didnt find it earlier due, I think, to it not being hyphenated or alloneword so missed by the search engine & myself, ah well.)

I am sure (almost!) that there are no Baptism/Birth or Burial Records within this sites PRs for our Maria(n) Hale or White or Hale-White. However I'm VERY happy to be proven wrong. PLEASE someone ....

FINALLY: this is a truly excellent HALE FH website that I really should have tried hours ago, although I cannot find our family within it's extensive coverage, but that's no doubt me.
http://www.halefamily.net/forest.html

Goodnight all !