Searching Parents of Benjamin HALE b1862 (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Wednesday, May 09, 2012, 20:43 (4576 days ago) @ karencoupe123

Hi Karen, thanks for clearing things up. Sorry for repeating what you already knew, just trying to satisfy my own curiosity, really should have waited for your clarification, ah well live & learn. Sorry to hear about Benjamin's sad end.

I'm annoyed I meant to check Benjamin's parents marriage details, sadly I cannot find their Marriage on the FoD PRs as it was a Registry Office affair as per Slowhands post below. I wonder why, was this just because they were non-conformists or ?....

While searching I also found this PR which at first glance looked very close, "shame" the dates so clearly don't add up, sorry for not fully thinking it thro... was trying to cook at the same time !

SO who is this ? Family or coincidence ?
Same groom's father Thomas White ?.
So many similarities, I know White & Hale are common Forest names but even so ... ?

Record ID 15070
Entry Number 361
Year 1877
Month Dec
Day 22
Grooms Surname WHITE
Grooms Forenames George
Grooms Age 23
Groom Condition Batchelor
Grooms Occupation Collier
Grooms Residence Lane End
Grooms Fathers Surname White
Grooms Fathers Forenames Thomas
Grooms Fathers Occupation Collier
Brides Surname HALE
Brides Forenames Mary
Brides Age 17
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation [not stated]
Brides Residence Lane End
Brides Fathers Surname Hale
Brides Fathers Forenames Henry
Brides Fathers Occupation Collier
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark Both sign
Witness 1 Mark of Ann Grindel
Witness 2 Edward Grindel
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister Jo[hn] Jo[seph] Elsworth Vicar
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P245 IN 1/21
Page Number 181
Parish Chapel Parkend

So clearly TOO MANY years after Benjamin had arrived in 1862:

SO WHO IS THIS ? ARE THEY RELATIONS TO OURS ?

If this George was 23 in 1877 then born abt 1854, father Thomas White; there is no Birth/Baptism in FoD PRs. Searching GlosBMD 1853-1856 gives this "possible":

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
WHITE George WHITE WHITE HALE 1854 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 10 312

So if this is the correct Record then George's mother is White nee Hale !.

Which I'm pleased to find is verified by Slowhands' subsequent post below, thanks sir !. George's parents started their family rather earlier than the scope of the FreeBMD & Glos BMD sites, no wonder I couldn't find them.

Searching for Mary Hale's birth, born abt 1860, father Henry, so from FoD PRs:

Record ID 103320
Entry Number
Year 1862
Month May
Day 19
Parents Surname HALE
Child Forenames Mary Ann
Fathers Forenames Henry
Mothers Forenames Lucy
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda Born 13 Sep 1860
Notes
Register Reference D5533 1/1
Page Number 80
Parish Chapel Coleford Congregational

So again the Non-Conformist Chapel..

Searching their Marriage, not in FoD PRs, but from GlosBMD:

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
HALE Henry WHITTINGTON Lucy Forest of Dean Monmouth Register Office 1857 3 164

From my Glos FHS 1851 Census cd this seems most likely Henry ? (plus of course more Thomas, George, Marys & Anns!):

2444 1851 CENSUS HO107/2444 FF.0283-0302 ED.5H COLEFORD 1
Piece: 2444 Folio: 0298 Schedule: 087

Address: Five Acres
HALE Thomas HD M 58 Coal Miner GLS Lane End (c1793)
HALE Ann WI M 49 Coal Miner's Wife GLS Lane End (c1802)
HALE Thomas SO U 22 Coal Miner GLS Lane End (c1829)
HALE Eliza DA U 20 At Home GLS Lane End (c1831)
HALE Henry SO U 16 Coal Miner GLS Lane End (c1835)
HALE George SO - 13 Coal Miner GLS Lane End (c1838)
HALE Mary DA - 11 At Home GLS Lane End (c1840)

and the only Lucy W on County census:

2444 1851 CENSUS HO107/2444 FF.0138-0153 ED.4C COLEFORD 1
Piece: 2444 Folio: 0152 Schedule: 095

Address: Incline
WHITTINGTON Harriett HD M 36 Laundress Pauper GLS Newland (c1815)
WHITTINGTON Lucy DA U 14 - GLS Newland (c1837)
WHITTINGTON James SO - 11 Collier GLS Newland (c1840)
WHITTINGTON Eliza DA - 9 - GLS Newland (c1842)
WHITTINGTON William SO - 6 - MON Monmouth (c1845)

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While searching the above I've also found these Records which may hopefully be of interest:

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
WHITE George Birt WHITE WHITE HALE 1874 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 32 1

The only Hale White I can find on Glos BMD is much later:

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
HALE-WHITE Norman E HALE-WHITE 1932 Cheltenham Tewkesbury, Tewkesbury 51 139

Which is also the only Hale White to be found on FreeBMD:
Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
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Births Jun 1932 (>99%)
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Hale-White Norman E Hale White Tewkesbury 6a 652

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Re Slowhand's logical suggestion of the possible Non Conformist roots, I've just started re-searching the Glos Non Conformist website.
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Results.aspx

SEVERAL references to various George Whites and Mary Hales all over the County but sadly I cannot find any entry clearly relevant to us except Benjamin's Baptism that we already know, site Reference D5533/1/1 but offers no more detail than shown above.